Registry Cleaning

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Maurice

Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the
registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates that
there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought
 
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Alias

Maurice said:
Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the
registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates that
there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought

Leave the registry alone.

Alias
 
M

Malke

Maurice said:
Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the
registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates
that
there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought

The registry doesn't need to be cleaned. Leave it alone. See this link for
why:

http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099

However, I'm concerned about your last statement, "A third party trial
version indicates that there are over 200 issues". Is this coming from
something called Antivirus 2007/08/09, XP Antivirus, WinAntivirus, XP
Security Center or the like? If yes, your computer is infected with a rogue
antispyware program. It is called "rogue" because it pretends to be A Good
Guy but is really Evil. Do not pay them!

If my guess is correct, look for removal steps here:

Bleeping Computer removal how-to's -
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum55.html

These may work for you and all may be well. However, in many cases the
computer will also be infected with Zlob and/or Vundo trojans and protected
by a rootkit. These machines are extremely difficult to clean.

If your machine is one of these cases, either get guided help at one of the
specialty forums below OR back up your data and do a clean install of
Windows. It is your choice. If you are unsure how to back up your data or
how to do a clean install, you can take your machine to a local computer
professional. I don't recommend using BigComputerStore/GeekSquad types of
places.

PLEASE DO NOT POST LOGS IN THE MS NEWSGROUPS.

http://aumha.net/ - Click on the HijackThis forum. Read the announcement and
the stickies *first*.
http://www.atribune.org/forums/index.php?showforum=9
http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/forum22.html
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/cleanup
http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25Look
http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/Malware_Removal_HiJackThis_Logs_Go_Here-f37.html
http://gladiator-antivirus.com/forum/index.php?showforum=170
http://spywarewarrior.com/viewforum.php?f=5
http://forums.techguy.org/54-security/
http://forums.tomcoyote.org/

Malke
 
K

Kayman

Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the
registry...

No, there isn't.
...and identify problems.

What seems to be the problem?
A third party trial version indicates...

These are usually snake-oil!
...that there are over 200 issues.

These are usually non-issues, better ignore them.
Guidance sought

Registry cleaners are not required for NT systems!

AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use a Registry Cleaner?
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
Note the comments from Mark Russinovich and the reference concerning ERUNT.

Why I don¢t use registry cleaners!
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/archives/000643.html

Be guided accordingly :)
 
J

John Barnett MVP

If you are not competent to edit the registry manually, then leave well
alone. Third party registry cleaners, sadly, create more problems than they
actually solve and are best not even considered. Strangely, you could
probably run your 'third party trial version' on a machine that you have
just installed Windows XP (or any other version of Windows) on and it would
still come up with over 200 issues.

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Windows Desktop Experience

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K

Ken Blake, MVP

Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the
registry and identify problems.


No, there isn't, and that's good, not bad.

Registry cleaning programs are *all* snake oil. Cleaning of the
registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the registry alone and
don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many people think, and
what vendors of registry cleaning software try to convince you of,
having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.


A third party trial version indicates that
there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought



"Issues" that are meaningless, and don't hurt you at all. Ignore them,
and stay far away from all such programs.
 
J

JS

Not a good idea.
Freeware registry cleaners can trash your PC at no cost $$$ to you.
Those registry cleaner utilities that cost money are best known
for cleaning your wallet and then trashing your PC.

Example #1
Ran a scan to count the number of entries in my PC's registry
Total was over 260,000
So if a registry cleaner (if it worked properly) removed say 1,000 entries
that would be less than one half of one percent space savings.

Example #2
I very recently ran a registry cleaner knowing in advance what some of the
fixes the cleaner should find and the suggested changes.
This was based on the fact I had uninstalled an application (knowing it
would leave some orphaned registry entries) and then reinstalled the same
application to a different directory location.

The cleaner's default suggested fix for the application's old directory
location (the orphaned entries) was to change these entries to the new
location, which was not necessary, so I manually deleted these entries.

Now here is where a registry cleaner could cause a real problem!
A few months ago I removed a large number but not all of the
$NtUninstallKBxxxxxx$ folders
(these are the folders and associated files left behind each time you
install the latest Windows Updates each month)
The cleaner reported the broken registry entries but the suggested fix was
to point the broken registry entries to the remaining $NtUninstall files (on
a random basis) thus royally screwing up the pointers. By that I mean you go
to uninstall (in rare cases) a patch that may be giving you problems and due
to the screwed up registry entry it instead removes the wrong patch.

JS
www.pagestart.com
 
B

Bruce Chambers

Maurice said:
Write to inquire if there is some application within XP SP3 to clean the
registry and identify problems. A third party trial version indicates that
there are over 200 issues. Guidance sought


A registry cleaner - even a safe one, should such ever be developed
- is an exercise in, at best, futility. There is no real need for
registry cleaners, other than to provide a profit to their manufacturers.

Why do you even think you'd ever need to clean your registry? What
specific *problems* are you actually experiencing (not some program's
bogus listing of imaginary problems) that you think can be fixed by
using a registry cleaner?

If you do have a real problem that is rooted in the registry, it
would be far better to simply edit (after backing up, of course) only
the specific key(s) and/or value(s) that are causing the problem. After
all, why use a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far less likely
to have the dire consequences of allowing an automated product to make
multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing needed to safely clean
your registry is knowledge and Regedit.exe.

The registry contains all of the operating system's "knowledge" of
the computer's hardware devices, installed software, the location of the
device drivers, and the computer's configuration. A misstep in the
registry can have severe consequences. One should not even turning
loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is fully
confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to happen as a result of
each and every change.

Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced people using
automated registry "cleaners," I can only advise all but the most
experienced computer technicians (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all.
Experience has shown me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands
of the inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and experience to
maintain your registry by yourself, then you also lack the knowledge and
experience to safely configure and use any automated registry cleaner,
no matter how safe they claim to be.

More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the use of an
automated registry cleaner, particularly by an untrained, inexperienced
computer user, does any real good, whatsoever. There's certainly been
no empirical evidence offered to demonstrate that the use of such
products to "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not worth the risk.

Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems each and
every time they're used, but the potential for harm is always there.
And, since no registry "cleaner" has ever been demonstrated to do any
good, whatsoever (think of them like treating the flu with chicken soup
- there's no real medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming
placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far out-weigh the
non-existent benefits.

I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in the hands
of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or hobbyist can be a
useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as long as it's not allowed to make
any changes automatically. But I really don't think that there are any
registry cleaners that are truly safe for the general public to use.
Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools simply are not safe
in the hands of the inexperienced user.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
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Bruce Chambers

db.·.. > said:
here is a second party
free version:

But it's still just as worthless, and potentially as dangerous, as all
3rd party ones.

Please stop deliberately trying to sabotage people's computers.

--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
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Alias

Bruce said:
But it's still just as worthless, and potentially as dangerous, as
all 3rd party ones.

Please stop deliberately trying to sabotage people's computers.

So you're saying that Microsoft's One Care program will sabotage
people's computers? Have you notified Microsoft yet?

Alias
 
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db.·.. >

why are you putting all
the newsgroup readers
to sleep with this mindless
rant?
 
G

Gerry

Alias

From your link: "Not to worry. Just like Microsoft Word, your PC has an
"undo" option. In this case, it's called System Restore. Once it's
finished scanning, the Windows Live Safety scanner creates a System
Restore point on your PC. This allows you to revert your system to its
original state, before you performed the scan, in case you inadvertently
remove any valid registry items."

Microsoft have a lot more confidence in System Restore than many who
post to these newsgroups. Which side of the fence do you reside Alias? A
number of well known security programmes prevent System Restore from
working!

~~~~


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
J

John Barnett MVP

I beta tested Microsoft One Care and found it next to useless. I certainly
wouldn't use it, nor would I recommend people to use it.

As for registry cleaners in general I stick with what I have already posted.
'If you are not competent enough to manually edit the registry, then leave
it well alone.'

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Associate Expert
Windows Desktop Experience

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B

Bill in Co.

Thank you. And this is the sanest post in this thread. And presents the
real truth.
If you are not competent to edit the registry manually, then leave well
alone.

Exactly! And well said. "A word to the wise is sufficient".
(Unfortunately, there are quite a few who are not).
 
K

Kayman

Why do want to sabotage
peoples computers and
say not to use Microsoft's
registry cleaner and other
system maintenance utilities
they engineered for
Windows?
It's called 'bowing under customer pressure'!
Most of the users are not very well versed when it comes to the innards of
the Windows NT system.
As you and others may well be aware, the general public is very fair game
of advertisement attacks. When companies advertise their products in
various PC magazines and get "favourable" reviews from the 'in-house'
(so-called) "experts", the unassuming reader will believe this hype without
questioning it; Not realizing that these reviews are driven by the
advertisement dollar (the same applies incidentally to 3rd party firewalls
-PFW- ).

Now, the costumer informed by these biased reports want to have these
software (especilally when its 'free' and has an 'attractive' interface and
icon to look at.

It is sad that MSFT Marketing Department for inexplicable reasons is
following this trend instead of educating the public about the perils of
these r/cleaners.
Just looking at the additions offered in WLOC makes me wonder if they have
lost the plot.

But it is refreshing that at least some knowledgable MVP's are standing up
speaking against the use of these software!

IMO, MSFT's software engineers (the people who actually intimitaly know
their products) are often antagonized by their very own Marketing
Department (the people who mostly care about anything but realities); Which
BTW is very common in large companies. One only has to look at Sunbelt (the
makers of Kerio Firewall), the situation is almost identical concerning a
certain software product. But their software engineers actually admitted
the hype created by their advertisement department is nothing but hot air!

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>, based on reading some previous posts from you, you seem
knowledgable enough to realize that some 3rd party software applictions are
nothing but snake oil and am surprised (even if they're suported by MSFT)
you're touting this kind product.
You are provoking inessential debates and (in this case) providing a
dis-service to the uninformed readers here!
 
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Alias

Gerry said:
Alias

From your link: "Not to worry. Just like Microsoft Word, your PC has an
"undo" option. In this case, it's called System Restore. Once it's
finished scanning, the Windows Live Safety scanner creates a System
Restore point on your PC. This allows you to revert your system to its
original state, before you performed the scan, in case you inadvertently
remove any valid registry items."

Microsoft have a lot more confidence in System Restore than many who
post to these newsgroups. Which side of the fence do you reside Alias? A
number of well known security programmes prevent System Restore from
working!

~~~~


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The only registry cleaner I use is Crap Cleaner and I use it selectively
to, say, remove crap left over from an uninstall. Other than that, I see
no reason to use them. I wouldn't use NoCare for anything. I just find
it ironic that a lot the MVPs (except Carey Frisch, of course; he's sold
on One Care and a "Vista Enthusiast) are saying that registry cleaners
are snake oil when Microsoft has one of their own.

Alias
 

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