Refilling the cartridge


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Andre

Hello!

I've just refilled original HP cartridge for HP 640C for the first time
in my life with ink kit made by 'inknara'. Almost everything is ok.
There is no leakage. Problem is that it looks like the printer has to
suck some of the ink and then it starts to print properly.

I mean for example first page is blank, second is being printed with
stripes darker and darker and the the third page is correct. All other
pages printed after are ok. Until I leave the printer for some time
(one hour), then it starts all over again.

When I remove the cartridge from the printer I can see that ink was
sucked from the very begining because the cartridge is dirty. But
nothing is being printed.

What can I do to make it work properly?
 
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TJ

Andre said:
Hello!

I've just refilled original HP cartridge for HP 640C for the first time
in my life with ink kit made by 'inknara'. Almost everything is ok.
There is no leakage. Problem is that it looks like the printer has to
suck some of the ink and then it starts to print properly.

I mean for example first page is blank, second is being printed with
stripes darker and darker and the the third page is correct. All other
pages printed after are ok. Until I leave the printer for some time
(one hour), then it starts all over again.

When I remove the cartridge from the printer I can see that ink was
sucked from the very begining because the cartridge is dirty. But
nothing is being printed.

What can I do to make it work properly?
Are you talking about the black or color cartridge? I've had good luck
refilling the black cartridge, but limited success with the color one on
this series printer. If it's the black one, it sounds to me like the
internal air pressure isn't correct. There should have been a step where
air is either injected or removed from the cartridge. Try performing
that step again. Also, make sure all seals that you were instructed to
install are fully in place.

TJ
 
A

Andre

*TJ* said:
If it's the black one, it sounds to
me like the internal air pressure isn't correct. There should have
been a step where air is either injected or removed from the
cartridge. Try performing that step again.
Yes, it's the black ink.
When I refilled it I had to remove much of the pressure because the ink
was leaking from two bottom holes. So now you say I have it not enough?

Also, make sure all seals
that you were instructed to install are fully in place.
What do you mean by seals? There are only two parts ot the kit: syringe
filled with ink and a peace of plastic to put the cartridge in it with
two holes (with gums) for the syringe.
 
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measekite

Andre said:
*TJ* wrote:




Yes, it's the black ink.
When I refilled it I had to remove much of the pressure because the ink
was leaking from two bottom holes. So now you say I have it not enough?
GOOD. THATS WHAT YOU GET
What do you mean by seals?
THEY ARE AT THE ZOO
There are only two parts ot the kit: syringe
filled with ink and a peace of plastic to put the cartridge in it with
two holes (with gums) for the syringe.
HOPE YOU MADE A MESS
 
M

measekite

HA HA HA
IT SURE DOES
GO BUY OEM AND NOT HAVE A PROBLEM
BUY OEM
 
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TJ

Andre said:
*TJ* wrote:




Yes, it's the black ink.
When I refilled it I had to remove much of the pressure because the ink
was leaking from two bottom holes. So now you say I have it not enough?





What do you mean by seals? There are only two parts ot the kit: syringe
filled with ink and a peace of plastic to put the cartridge in it with
two holes (with gums) for the syringe.
I see the group's resident troll has replied to this thread. Ignore him.
He's an idiot. Expect him to question my intelligence for answering you,
and yours for listening to me.

Bear in mind that I'm no expert, either. I'm just a guy whose had some
success refilling the type of cartridge you're talking about. That said...

Most refill kits for the 51629 cartridge have you drill a hole in the
top to put the ink in and have you seal it with a plug or tape
afterward. Since your kit doesn't do this, it must fill the cart from
the bottom. That's good news, from my experience. I've had the very best
luck with that type of kit.

The 51629 cartridge has two "chambers" (for lack of a better word), one
for the ink and another that is more of a sack containing air under
pressure. The trick is to get the proper balance in air pressure between
the two. Too much air in the sack or too little in the ink chamber and
the ink drips; too little in the sack or too much in the ink chamber and
it doesn't flow. The kit I used (a bottom-filler) instructed me to use
the syringe to remove some air through the bottom hole where I had just
put the ink in, and then remove the cartridge and seal that bottom hole
with a piece of tape. Then, I was instructed to use a separate little
squeeze bottle to put air *into* the top center hole, until a drop of
ink showed at the nozzle. The kit never said whether I was to remove
that bottom seal, so I always left it on, even though the cartridges
originally operated with that hole uncovered. It may not have been
necessary to leave the cover on that hole.

Your kit should have a similar procedure for balancing the air pressure.
Getting it right takes a bit of practice, that's all. After you get a
few refills under your belt, you'll get better at it.

Another possibility is an air bubble in the passage between the ink
chamber and the nozzles. It might be worth your while to try a couple of
cleaning cycles first, in case that's the problem. However, I believe
that problem isn't as common with the black cart as it is with the
tricolor. Others on this newsgroup would know far better than I do.

BTW, when the time comes to replace the printer(my 672C developed dry
paper rollers long before it stopped printing), I'd recommend getting a
printer that uses the HP 56 and 57 carts. That's the one I use now, and
I've never seen any that are easier to refill.

TJ
 
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measekite

HE MEANS THE ONES YOU SEE AT THE ZOO THAT LOOK LIKE HIS MOTHER
I see the group's resident troll has replied to this thread. Ignore
him. He's an idiot. Expect him to question my intelligence for
answering you, and yours for listening to me.

Bear in mind that I'm no expert, either.
OF COURSE NOT
 
A

Andre

*TJ* said:
I see the group's resident troll has replied to this thread. Ignore
him. He's an idiot. Expect him to question my intelligence for
answering you, and yours for listening to me.
And to answer that he has to read all the text which was a lot from
you. Seriously, what a looser... ;)

Your kit should have a similar procedure for balancing the air
pressure. Getting it right takes a bit of practice, that's all. After
you get a few refills under your belt, you'll get better at it.
Yes, I tried to redo the pressure steps again and as you said
experimentally I got the propper pressure.

BTW, when the time comes to replace the printer(my 672C developed dry
paper rollers long before it stopped printing), I'd recommend getting
a printer that uses the HP 56 and 57 carts. That's the one I use now,
and I've never seen any that are easier to refill.
As far as I remember 56/57 cartridge has my other printer - HP5550. I
have original carts there but I asked for kits for this one and indeed
they said it's much easier to refill.
HP640C I use only for text and only because it still workes ;) but I
have some problems with it (sometimes it stops after printing, this
part with inks stops in 1/4 its range and the green and the orange
diodes pulse alternately) and I'm hoping to throw it away very soon ;)

So thank you very much for your help and advice!
 
T

TJ

Andre said:
*TJ* wrote:


As far as I remember 56/57 cartridge has my other printer - HP5550. I
have original carts there but I asked for kits for this one and indeed
they said it's much easier to refill.
HP640C I use only for text and only because it still workes ;) but I
have some problems with it (sometimes it stops after printing, this
part with inks stops in 1/4 its range and the green and the orange
diodes pulse alternately) and I'm hoping to throw it away very soon ;)

So thank you very much for your help and advice!
I'm glad to be of help. Now, as for refilling the 56/57 carts, I use a
refill kit with the brand name of Ink Tec, and it has worked extremely
well for me. They are available from many places on the Web, here in the
US, at least. (Where are you from, if I'm not being too inquisitive?) It
consists of a bracket to hold the cart, a sticker for the top that
indicates where the refill holes are, some ink (of course), and enough
syringes for one for each color, as well as one for drawing possible
airblocks out of the nozzle area. There are seperate black and tricolor
kits. When the ink from the kit is gone you can still use the kit - you
just have to buy more ink. I believe the 56 cart uses pigmented ink, but
the tricolor uses dye-based. Be sure to check elsewhere on that, though.
As I said, I'm no expert.

BTW, the HP printer I use currently is a PSC 2110 all-in-one.

TJ
 
M

measekite

TJ said:
I'm glad to be of help.
THAT CERTAINLY WAS NOT HELP.
Now, as for refilling the 56/57 carts, I use a refill kit with the
brand name of Ink Tec,
THAT IS NOT A BRAND. THERE IS NOT BRAND NAME INK IN THAT KIT
and it has worked extremely well for me. They are available from many
places on the Web, here in the US, at least. (Where are you from, if
I'm not being too inquisitive?)
BUT YOU ARE
It consists of a bracket to hold the cart, a sticker for the top that
indicates where the refill holes are, some
GENERIC

ink (of course), and enough syringes for
A DOCTOR
one for each color, as well as one for drawing possible airblocks out
of the nozzle area. There are seperate black and tricolor kits. When
the ink from the kit is gone
YOUWILL HAVE A CLOGGED PRINTER
you can still use the kit - you just have to buy more ink. I believe
BELIEVING IS NOT THE SAME AS KNOWING
 
T

TJ

measekite said:
THAT CERTAINLY WAS NOT HELP.
The OP thought so, and his is the opinion I care about, certainly not yours.
THAT IS NOT A BRAND. THERE IS NOT BRAND NAME INK IN THAT KIT
Read my statement again, Sir. I said the *kit* was branded Ink Tec. I
didn't say anything about the ink carrying a brand. I don't care where
the ink in the kit came from. All I care is whether it works or not -and
as I said,
BUT YOU ARE
That is for *him* to say. I didn't ask for his address, just the general
area of the world where he resides.
So?



A DOCTOR
You haven't been to a doctor much, have you? It shows.
YOUWILL HAVE A CLOGGED PRINTER
Strange...I didn't. In fact, I refilled those carts over 20 times after
I ran out of ink in the original kit. They never did clog. The print
heads wore to the point where print quality suffered. Since I get a new
set of heads with every cart, I just started using another set. I've
refilled that set over 15 times now - still no clogging.
BELIEVING IS NOT THE SAME AS KNOWING
Yep. Unlike you, I don't claim to know everything there is to know about
printers. If I *know* I'd say "I know"

I will be happy to respond to the OP, or almost anyone else for that
matter, but don't expect me to respond to *you* again in this thread.
You are not worth the effort.

TJ
 
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zakezuke

Read my statement again, Sir. I said the *kit* was branded Ink Tec. I
didn't say anything about the ink carrying a brand. I don't care where
the ink in the kit came from.
In case someone else cares.... InkTec Co., Ltd (049550) is a company
out of Korea which has at least subsidiary in North america (InkTec
America Corp., Maryland). It was formed as importing ink, OEM ink cost
an arm and a leg for basicly colored water. Thier product meets all
of Measekite's requirements for being a brand;

1. Sold under it's own name
2. Sold in a box with a barcode
3. Mfg or formulating their own inks, or at the very least having
their own people in quality control.

In addition, they offer a system of inks and papers. They are a
publicly listed company as of 2002.
http://english.kosdaq.com/enterprise/center/center.jsp?code=049550&codeInFocus=049550&selFocus=enterprise/center/center.jsp&x=0&y=0

--Offical distributers--
http://www.inkiesonline.com
http://www.inkjetcartridge.com
http://www.inktecstore.com

I have no experence with their products.
 
T

Tony

zakezuke said:
In case someone else cares.... InkTec Co., Ltd (049550) is a company
out of Korea which has at least subsidiary in North america (InkTec
America Corp., Maryland). It was formed as importing ink, OEM ink cost
an arm and a leg for basicly colored water. Thier product meets all
of Measekite's requirements for being a brand;

1. Sold under it's own name
2. Sold in a box with a barcode
3. Mfg or formulating their own inks, or at the very least having
their own people in quality control.

In addition, they offer a system of inks and papers. They are a
publicly listed company as of 2002.
http://english.kosdaq.com/enterprise/center/center.jsp?code=049550&codeInFocus=049550&selFocus=enterprise/center/center.jsp&x=0&y=0

--Offical distributers--
http://www.inkiesonline.com
http://www.inkjetcartridge.com
http://www.inktecstore.com

I have no experence with their products.
I do have experience with their products.
1. They formulate and manufacture their own inks for specific printers and
mould their own cartridges.
2. They do not use universal or generic inks.
3. Buyers Laboratory Inc. (a reputable US laboratory) has verified that their
cartridges meet the OEM's quality standards.
4. Their products are much cheaper than the OEM equivalent.
5. Their after sales service is superb, much better than one or two OEM's that
I have experience with.
6. Their products are easily available online and from thousands of retail
outlets worldwide.
7. I have never seen a case where their inks (or for that matter the inks from
other quality non-OEM suppliers) caused clogging or printhead failure.
8. Their websites are mainly constructed in lower case.
They are not the only high quality formulator of compatible inks but they are
one of several quality suppliers.
My only interest in the company is as a customer.
Tony (in da business)
 
M

measekite

TJ said:
The OP thought so, and his is the opinion I care about, certainly not
yours.

Read my statement again, Sir. I said the *kit* was branded Ink Tec. I
didn't say anything about the ink carrying a brand. I don't care where
the ink in the kit came from. All I care is whether it works or not
-and as I said,
NOW I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS EASY FOR YOU TO BE STUPID
 
T

TJ

zakezuke said:
In case someone else cares.... InkTec Co., Ltd (049550) is a company
out of Korea which has at least subsidiary in North america (InkTec
America Corp., Maryland). It was formed as importing ink, OEM ink cost
an arm and a leg for basicly colored water. Thier product meets all
of Measekite's requirements for being a brand;

1. Sold under it's own name
2. Sold in a box with a barcode
3. Mfg or formulating their own inks, or at the very least having
their own people in quality control.

In addition, they offer a system of inks and papers. They are a
publicly listed company as of 2002.
http://english.kosdaq.com/enterprise/center/center.jsp?code=049550&codeInFocus=049550&selFocus=enterprise/center/center.jsp&x=0&y=0

--Offical distributers--
http://www.inkiesonline.com
http://www.inkjetcartridge.com
http://www.inktecstore.com

I have no experence with their products.
I purchased mine from http://www.4inkjets.com

Other than personal use as a consumer, I have no connection with their
products or company.

TJ
 
M

measekite

MATT ZUKOWSKI AKA ZAKEZUKE AKA KNOWITALL IS A LIAR LIAR WITH PANTS ON FIRE
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE
OF COURSE NOT
I purchased mine from http://www.4inkjets.com

Other than personal use as a consumer, I have no connection with their
products or company.
A RESELLER INCOGNITO
 
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TJ

zakezuke said:
In case someone else cares.... InkTec Co., Ltd (049550) is a company
out of Korea which has at least subsidiary in North america (InkTec
America Corp., Maryland). It was formed as importing ink, OEM ink cost
an arm and a leg for basicly colored water. Thier product meets all
of Measekite's requirements for being a brand;

1. Sold under it's own name
2. Sold in a box with a barcode
3. Mfg or formulating their own inks, or at the very least having
their own people in quality control.

In addition, they offer a system of inks and papers. They are a
publicly listed company as of 2002.
http://english.kosdaq.com/enterprise/center/center.jsp?code=049550&codeInFocus=049550&selFocus=enterprise/center/center.jsp&x=0&y=0

--Offical distributers--
http://www.inkiesonline.com
http://www.inkjetcartridge.com
http://www.inktecstore.com

I have no experence with their products.
Notice that the troll is now using his standard "liar,liar..." response.
That, of course, means he can't refute any of our statements in a
legitimate manner. Once again he shows himself for what he really is.

TJ
 
Z

zakezuke

Notice that the troll is now using his standard "liar,liar..." response.
That, of course, means he can't refute any of our statements in a
legitimate manner. Once again he shows himself for what he really is.
That's because you and I, though the use of aftermarket ink, desire
nothing more than Dorld Womination. Code name: Inky and the Stain.
And we would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those pesky
kids and that dumb dog.
 
M

measekite

TJ said:
Notice that the troll is now using his standard "liar,liar..."
response. That, of course, means he can't refute any of our statements
in a legitimate manner. Once again he shows himself for what he really
is.

TJ
IT IS T J
H E
E R
K

AND HE IS
A LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE
 
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TJ

zakezuke said:
That's because you and I, though the use of aftermarket ink, desire
nothing more than Dorld Womination. Code name: Inky and the Stain.
And we would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those pesky
kids and that dumb dog.
We'll do better next time. The Dorld is ours for the taking, as long as
the OEMs keep the same decrepit business model. Power to the People!

Oh, wait...That was another plan's slogan. Rats!

TJ
 

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