Recommendations on cool hard drive

[Sam]

I'm in a need of a hard drive very soon. Don't have much time to do
research. I'm thinking of a 120 G to use with my Promise UDMA 100
controller. Which hard drive now is the coolest temperatures wise, most
reliable, and preferably not noisy.

Thanks

 

[Rod Speed]

I'm in a need of a hard drive very soon. Don't have much time to do
research. I'm thinking of a 120 G to use with my Promise UDMA 100
controller. Which hard drive now is the coolest temperatures wise,

The Samsungs generally have rather lower power dissipation than
their competitors drives and thats what affects the temperature most.

most reliable, and preferably not noisy.

The Samsungs are fine on both counts.

 

[Sam]

Hmm. I don't know much about the Samsungs neither do many stores here. The
Samsungs don't appear to be very popular in Western Canada. Unless it's a
custom order, the only Samsung that is somewhat available is the SP8004H
w/2 M cache. The price is a little high to for an 80G: $122. CDN.

The Samsung doesn't even appear on TIGERDIRECT.CA's website.


:
: message :
: > I'm in a need of a hard drive very soon. Don't have much time to do
: > research. I'm thinking of a 120 G to use with my Promise UDMA 100
: > controller. Which hard drive now is the coolest temperatures wise,
:
: The Samsungs generally have rather lower power dissipation than
: their competitors drives and thats what affects the temperature most.
:
: > most reliable, and preferably not noisy.
:
: The Samsungs are fine on both counts.
:
:

 

[Rod Speed]

Hmm. I don't know much about the Samsungs neither do many stores here.
The Samsungs don't appear to be very popular in Western Canada.

Or anywhere else either. They can be harder to find.

Unless it's a custom order, the only Samsung that
is somewhat available is the SP8004H w/2 M cache.
The price is a little high to for an 80G: $122. CDN.

The Samsung doesn't even appear on TIGERDIRECT.CA's website.

You should be able to find plenty using the pricewatch sites.

 

[FFV]

Get a hard drive cooler if you need cool.

http://search.ebay.com/search/searc...tProperty=MetaEndSort&query=hard+drive+cooler

Especially get the 3 fan one that fits in a 5.25" slot which draws air from
the outside. They're not that noisy and there is the added benefit of
helping cool down the whole computer as well.

 

[Sam]

:
: in message :
: > Hmm. I don't know much about the Samsungs neither do many stores here.
: > The Samsungs don't appear to be very popular in Western Canada.
:
: Or anywhere else either. They can be harder to find.

Why would that be?

: > The Samsung doesn't even appear on TIGERDIRECT.CA's website.
:
: You should be able to find plenty using the pricewatch sites.

Unfortunately, it's not usually practical to buy from the US mail order
outlets because of the added duty, customs /brokerage fees and taxes.

If a company doesn't have a repair outlet in Canada, then returning the
product for warranty repair also has it's problems too: increased shipping
costs and customs/brokerage fees.

What would be a second choice? A cool h/d is primary due to lack of space
in the case and voltage concerns. I'm already running several fans include
one hard drive cooler. I don't wish to upgrade my power supply or case.

: > : > :
: > : message : > :
: > : > I'm in a need of a hard drive very soon. Don't have much time to do
: > : > research. I'm thinking of a 120 G to use with my Promise UDMA 100
: > : > controller. Which hard drive now is the coolest temperatures wise,
: > :
: > : The Samsungs generally have rather lower power dissipation than
: > : their competitors drives and thats what affects the temperature most.
: > :
: > : > most reliable, and preferably not noisy.
: > :
: > : The Samsungs are fine on both counts.
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
: >
:
:

 

[Sam]

Thanks. My case is quite croweded. I had one cooler with three small fans.
It crapped out just after one year (the warranty expired). I have it
replaced with a cooler that mounts underneath the hard drive. I don't
believe I may add anything more other than a hard drive due to power supply
limitations. I won't be getting another p/s for this unit, as my pc is
several years old and I will likely be getting another system in 1/5 years.



: Get a hard drive cooler if you need cool.
:
:
http://search.ebay.com/search/searc...tProperty=MetaEndSort&query=hard+drive+cooler
:
: Especially get the 3 fan one that fits in a 5.25" slot which draws air
from
: the outside. They're not that noisy and there is the added benefit of
: helping cool down the whole computer as well.
:

 

[Rod Speed]

: Sam <[email protected]> wrote

: > Hmm. I don't know much about the Samsungs neither do many stores here.
: > The Samsungs don't appear to be very popular in Western Canada.
:
: Or anywhere else either. They can be harder to find.

Why would that be?

Looks like its just Samsung not pushing them aggressively enough.

: > The Samsung doesn't even appear on TIGERDIRECT.CA's website.
:
: You should be able to find plenty using the pricewatch sites.

Unfortunately, it's not usually practical to buy from the US mail order
outlets because of the added duty, customs /brokerage fees and taxes.

You should be able to find some canadian ones the same way.

If a company doesn't have a repair outlet in Canada, then
returning the product for warranty repair also has it's problems
too: increased shipping costs and customs/brokerage fees.

What would be a second choice?

There isnt a lot in it at the next level up. I'd got for
WD myself and avoid the Seagates and Hitachi/IBMs

A cool h/d is primary due to lack of space in the case and voltage
concerns. I'm already running several fans include one hard drive
cooler. I don't wish to upgrade my power supply or case.

The fans dont take enough to matter. I avoid
them for the other reason, the noise they make.

 

[CJT]

:
: in message :
: > Hmm. I don't know much about the Samsungs neither do many stores here.
: > The Samsungs don't appear to be very popular in Western Canada.
:
: Or anywhere else either. They can be harder to find.

Why would that be?

: > The Samsung doesn't even appear on TIGERDIRECT.CA's website.
:
: You should be able to find plenty using the pricewatch sites.

Unfortunately, it's not usually practical to buy from the US mail order
outlets because of the added duty, customs /brokerage fees and taxes.

Didn't NAFTA take care of most of that?

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Get a hard drive cooler if you need cool.

http://search.ebay.com/search/searc...tProperty=MetaEndSort&query=hard+drive+cooler

Especially get the 3 fan one that fits in a 5.25" slot which draws air from
the outside. They're not that noisy and there is the added benefit of
helping cool down the whole computer as well.

The problem with coolers which blow air into a 5 1/2" bay
is that they put more air into the top of the case, but they also raise
the air pressure inside the case, preventing air from being sucked
in at the bottom front of the case - where the primary hard drive
usually sits. So the cpu and PSU benefit at the expense of the
primary hard drive and the lower PCI expansion cards. Without
a fan blowing in at the bottom front of the case - a hard thing to
do right - the only other compensation for the increased case air
pressure is to increase the capacity of the case exhaust fan(s) at
the rear (not always practical). No wonder then, that the 3-fan
model is for sale on eBay.


*TimDaniels*

 

[CJT]

The problem with coolers which blow air into a 5 1/2" bay
is that they put more air into the top of the case, but they also raise
the air pressure inside the case, preventing air from being sucked
in at the bottom front of the case - where the primary hard drive
usually sits. So the cpu and PSU benefit at the expense of the
primary hard drive and the lower PCI expansion cards. Without
a fan blowing in at the bottom front of the case - a hard thing to
do right - the only other compensation for the increased case air
pressure is to increase the capacity of the case exhaust fan(s) at
the rear (not always practical). No wonder then, that the 3-fan
model is for sale on eBay.


*TimDaniels*

You can always turn fans around if you don't like the direction
they're blowing.

 

[Rod Speed]

FFV wrote
http://search.ebay.com/search/searc...&from=R8&MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortP
roperty=MetaEndSort&query=hard+drive+cooler

The problem with coolers which blow air into a 5 1/2" bay
is that they put more air into the top of the case, but they
also raise the air pressure inside the case, preventing air
from being sucked in at the bottom front of the case

Complete and utter drivel.

- where the primary hard drive usually sits. So the
cpu and PSU benefit at the expense of the primary
hard drive and the lower PCI expansion cards.

Complete and utter drivel.

AND completely trivial to prove its complete and utter
drivel by monitoring the drive SMART temperatures.

Without a fan blowing in at the bottom
front of the case - a hard thing to do right

More complete and utter drivel.

- the only other compensation for the increased
case air pressure is to increase the capacity of the
case exhaust fan(s) at the rear (not always practical).

More complete and utter drivel.

No wonder then, that the 3-fan model is for sale on eBay.

Wota ****ing pig ignorant wanker.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

You can always turn fans around if you don't like the direction
they're blowing.

Which fan(s) would you propose to turn around?


*TimDaniels*

 

[J.Clarke]

"CJT" replied:


Air forced into the case anywhere will increase the air pressure
inside the case, reducing the "suction" that draws air in at other
points. If low pressure (caused by an exhaust fan somewhere) is
not needed for this intake of air, there's no problem. But if
"suction"*is* required - which is normally the situation - blowing air
into the case reduces it and the air that would normally be drawn in
by suction is reduced. In most cases that I've seen, this usually
means that the primary hard drive gets less air flow. One solution is
to make *all* air intake done by blowing into the case.

Whatever is done, though, the goal is to make the air flow over all
the warm components, from one corner of the case to the other,
with the hottest components at the top and downwind near the exit.
This depends on a pressure gradient (i.e. slope) to cause the flow -
highest pressure at the intake, lowest pressure at the exhaust. You
can maintain this pressure gradient by blowing in at the upwind point,
but there has to be a good seal between the fan and the case and
there better not be other open holes in the case that would relieve
the over-pressure - or it would be like pushing on a string, with the
air escaping out the open holes and not flowing all the way to the
proper exit.

In the situation where air is blown into the case near the top, the
gradient is disrupted by raising the pressure at that point (usually
near the power supply intake) - reducing the "suction" - and all
flow is reduced upwind of that point, and the primary hard drive
is usually right at the head of that flow.

The ideal situation would probably be blowing in at the bottom front,
and sucking out at the top back. But there again, sucking or blowing
at any intermediate point would disrupt the gradient, and more sucking
or blowing at the extreme points (front bottom/rear top) would have
to be done to compensate for it. How much engineering do you want
to do?

You're overanalyzing. Build the machine, do the measurements, you're
going to find that putting a small fan in a 5-1/4" bay isn't going to
affect the airflow enough to cause any discernible difference in
temperatures anywhere except in that bay.

 

[CJT]

Which fan(s) would you propose to turn around?


*TimDaniels*

I'm not proposing any in particular, but you seemed to be saying
you didn't like coolers that blow inward at the top of the case.

 

[Eric Gisin]

I have never seen Samsung drives or cameras on Canadian web stores. I do see
monitors.

| Hmm. I don't know much about the Samsungs neither do many stores here. The
| Samsungs don't appear to be very popular in Western Canada. Unless it's a
| custom order, the only Samsung that is somewhat available is the SP8004H
| w/2 M cache. The price is a little high to for an 80G: $122. CDN.
|
| The Samsung doesn't even appear on TIGERDIRECT.CA's website.
|

 

[Rod Speed]

I have never seen Samsung drives
or cameras on Canadian web stores.

Clearly needs new glasses.

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=s...8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta=cr%3
DcountryCA

http://makeashorterlink.com/?N285348E5

I do see monitors.

Just because they are bigger.

 

[Sam]

: : Didn't NAFTA take care of most of that?

Nope. Not entirely. They have still rules for this or that depending on
where it's made.
I just checked, there is no duty for computer products but GST, sales tax
and brokerage fees.

We don't have many online computer chains there. It's still predominately
in the USA.

 

[Timothy Daniels]

"CJT" replied:

Timothy Daniels asked:

I'm not proposing any in particular, but you seemed to be saying
you didn't like coolers that blow inward at the top of the case.

Air forced into the case anywhere will increase the air pressure
inside the case, reducing the "suction" that draws air in at other
points. If low pressure (caused by an exhaust fan somewhere) is
not needed for this intake of air, there's no problem. But if "suction"
*is* required - which is normally the situation - blowing air into
the case reduces it and the air that would normally be drawn in by
suction is reduced. In most cases that I've seen, this usually means
that the primary hard drive gets less air flow. One solution is to
make *all* air intake done by blowing into the case.

Whatever is done, though, the goal is to make the air flow over all
the warm components, from one corner of the case to the other,
with the hottest components at the top and downwind near the exit.
This depends on a pressure gradient (i.e. slope) to cause the flow -
highest pressure at the intake, lowest pressure at the exhaust. You
can maintain this pressure gradient by blowing in at the upwind point,
but there has to be a good seal between the fan and the case and
there better not be other open holes in the case that would relieve
the over-pressure - or it would be like pushing on a string, with the
air escaping out the open holes and not flowing all the way to the
proper exit.

In the situation where air is blown into the case near the top, the
gradient is disrupted by raising the pressure at that point (usually
near the power supply intake) - reducing the "suction" - and all
flow is reduced upwind of that point, and the primary hard drive
is usually right at the head of that flow.

The ideal situation would probably be blowing in at the bottom front,
and sucking out at the top back. But there again, sucking or blowing
at any intermediate point would disrupt the gradient, and more sucking
or blowing at the extreme points (front bottom/rear top) would have
to be done to compensate for it. How much engineering do you want
to do?


*TimDaniels*

 

[Sam]

:
: > : > The Samsung doesn't even appear on TIGERDIRECT.CA's website.
: > :
: > : You should be able to find plenty using the pricewatch sites.
:
: > Unfortunately, it's not usually practical to buy from the US mail order
: > outlets because of the added duty, customs /brokerage fees and taxes.
:
: You should be able to find some canadian ones the same way.

Canadians don't have much selection and are still quite reserved when it
comes to online buying. There are not many online stores that offer
products. Tigerdirect is one of the largest, most popular in Canada.