Re: Vista Registry Cleaner - As Every PC Deserves the Best!


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D. Spencer Hines

Errant Twaddle.

Use NTREGOPT.EXE.

It's safe and easy to use.

Freeware.
 
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D. Spencer Hines

Use NTREGOPT.EXE and CCleaner in tandem and your registry will be
clean as a hound's tooth and nicely compacted.
 
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Bruce Chambers

D. Spencer Hines said:
Use NTREGOPT.EXE and CCleaner in tandem and your registry will be
clean as a hound's tooth and nicely compacted.

CCleaner is worthless as a registry cleaner. I tried the latest
version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications
installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and
CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned
registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files, making it
clearly a *worthless* product, in this regard. (Not that any registry
cleaner can ever be anything but worthless, as they don't serve any
*useful* purpose, to start with.)


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~ Denis Diderot
 
J

Jaelani

I second that. Those cleaner softwares will only do harm than good -
especially for non-technical users. Worst is that their ads is
becoming misleading nowadays and luring more users. And the sad part
is that people think that the higher number a cleaner can detect a
junk and clean them, the better it will be. But those softwares are
just preprogrammed cleaners. They'll clean anything without even
knowing what the objects actually means and what will affect. Sure,
they'll clean them right - along with other minor system objects.
They'll cripple the system little by little. When the system has been
noticeably unstable, it would be too late since the damage has been
done all over the place - in small parts. Nuff said.
 
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HeyBub

Bruce said:
CCleaner is worthless as a registry cleaner. I tried the latest
version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional applications
installed, and certainly none installed and then uninstalled, and
CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned
registry entries and dozens of purportedly "suspicious" files, making
it clearly a *worthless* product, in this regard. (Not that any
registry cleaner can ever be anything but worthless, as they don't
serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.)
Did you check any of the "orphaned entries?" Perhaps the OS installation was
the culprit...
 
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Leonard Grey

An "orphaned entry" will never be accessed since the application that
wrote the key is gone. Nothing bad can happen from an orphaned entry.
It's just like a channel position on your television that has no station
attached to it.
---
Leonard Grey
Errare humanum est

"A Day in the Life of a Web 2.0 Hacker" - PC Magazine
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2330952,00.asp
 
D

D. Spencer Hines

Nonsense...

CCleaner is an:

Excellent...

Safe...

Registry Cleaner.

I've been using it for several years now with good results.
 
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Bruce Chambers

HeyBub said:
Did you check any of the "orphaned entries?" Perhaps the OS installation was
the culprit...

Yes, of course I checked them; Wouldn't have been much of a test,
otherwise. They weren't remnants of the OS installation; all (dozens,
I'd noticed the trend by then) of the ones I checked were legitimate keys.


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Bruce Chambers

D. Spencer Hines said:
Nonsense...

CCleaner is an:

Excellent...

Safe...

Registry Cleaner.
There is *NO* such thing.

I've been using it for several years now with good results.

Documentation? Benchmarks from before and after? Oh, and make sure
they either been notarized or verified by an independent laboratory. In
other words, only when someone finally produces verifiable scientific
evidence will I give such claims a lick of credence.


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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
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db.·.. >

tisk tisk tisk,
your wrong again.

you know good and
well that anyone with
due deligence can
compare the before
and after of registry
cleaning....

besides, you have
admitted on several
occassions that you
use cc cleaner.

don't you remember
i called you on it?

perhaps, you should
add into your quote
line: "do as i say and
not as i do"
 
N

N. Miller

Nonsense...

CCleaner is an:

Excellent...

Safe...

Registry Cleaner.

I've been using it for several years now with good results.
There is no such thing as a "safe" registry cleaner; except for the one not
used. "Clean" the wrong key from your registry, and your system is hosed.
 
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D. Spencer Hines

Twaddle.

I approve every single registry change that is made.

If I don't approve it, no change is made.

Perfectly safe.
 
B

Bruce Chambers

D. Spencer Hines said:
Twaddle.

I approve every single registry change that is made.

If I don't approve it, no change is made.

Perfectly safe.

If the registry cleaner is so "perfectly safe," why do you feel the
need to approve each and every change? You do realize, don't you, that
you've just added weight to the position you're trying to argue against?


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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
D

D. Spencer Hines

Balderdash...

Good software has checks and balances built in -- with full input by
the user.

CCleaner does an excellent job of cleaning the registry -- and
incorporating user input -- just as a good physician or attorney does.

Chambers seems to be the resident Village Idiot here.

Does he always provide Great Entertainment like this?

It's like having a pet kigme -- always ready to take a sharp, swift
kick to the derriere.
 
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Bruce Chambers

Ildhund said:

I see your point, but my primary concern is to ensure that there's a
rebuttal to the deliberately harmful advice these people post, so that
newbies are at least warned of the dangers. If doing so also boosts the
sad little trolls' egos, I think it's a price I'll just have to accept.
Anyway, they generally make themselves look increasingly desperate and
pathetic with each new post.



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Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
E

Edward W. Thompson

D. Spencer Hines said:
Balderdash...

Good software has checks and balances built in -- with full input by the
user.

CCleaner does an excellent job of cleaning the registry -- and
incorporating user input -- just as a good physician or attorney does.

snip
What on earth have physicians and attorneys got to do with CCleaner. You are
a really strange person!

I use to be an advocate of Registry Cleaners. I use to try them all and was
quite convinced they were an essential for efficient computer management.
Perhaps in the days pre WINXP they were useful. I read all the cautionary
advice given in the NGs and like you dismissed them. Everytime I
experienced a glitch, time to run a 'cleaner' and I use to have 'glitches'
at regular intervals. I then decided perhaps I should stop running these
Cleaners and see what happens. Now I no longer have these 'glitches' or any
need to restore the Registry (ERUNT) from time to time. My experience has
been sufficient for me to relate machine problems (glitches) with Registry
Cleaners. Before you comment, I do run programs like CCleaner, not the
Registry Cleaner component, and Disk Cleaner regularly to clear out the
'trash' . Actually I think Disk Cleaner is the better of the programs.

What I do question is that Registry Cleaners will or may corrupt the
Registry to the extent of preventing boot up. This statement I simply find
absurd. For a Registry Cleaner to do this it would need to remove/corrupt
Registry entries that are essential to the OS. Even with the most
rudimentary Quality Control the software designer would identify and correct
that before the program was issued. Registry Cleaners certainly do remove
entries that are required by some programs to operate (empty keys no doubt)
and this is where they fall down. I suppose the essential question is, in
what way does the removal of empty and redundant data in the Registry
improve machine performance and/or in what way do empty and redundant keys
impair machine performance. If the machine must read every Registry entry
to permit it to execute a command then the answer is self evident but that
is not the case.

Registry Cleaners are a con. There only value is to give the users of such
programs a 'feel good' feeling. These programs remove entries in the
Registry of entries that do not require removal and by doing so sometimes
'throws the baby out with the bath water'.
 
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D. Spencer Hines

Never happened to me...

Fact:

My system runs smoother and swifter since I started using the CCleaner
registry cleaner.

I'm not vouching for regcleaners in GENERAL.

So your post was one long non sequitur.

'Nuff Said.
 

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