Quick Poll: What do you use Safe Mode for?

[Webster72n]

Hello PCR:

I call that a comprehensive and an extensive lesson in "Safe Mode" usage.
Very much obliged.

Harry, .....

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;122051
How Windows 95 Performs a Safe-Mode Start

I eliminated a "ghost" monitor in Safe Mode. Also, there was a McAfee
update mishap involving Autoexec.bat & certain downloaded files that
required it. But why don't you hobnob with Starbuck over it...?...

...Quote...............
Modified from messages sent by Scot Boyd (Microsoft), R.Jayaram
(NetQuest), and Patty Free (Microsoft) --
...snip...
5. Does the problem occur in safe-mode? To get to Safe Mode, reboot
the computer and press F8 when you see "Starting Windows 95..." Choose
Safe Mode from the menu.

Safe Mode is intended for troubleshooting. It does the following:
(a) bypasses config.sys and autoexec.bat
(b) prevents programs from starting automatically because they are
listed in
win.ini or they are in the startup folder
(c) uses standard VGA video
(d) prevents a network from being started
(e) disables protected mode device drivers (which are listed in
Device Manager)
(f) bypasses the [boot] and [386Enh] sections of system.ini
For more details, see document 122051 in the Microsoft KnowledgeBase.

If Safe Mode makes the problem go away, you should try tests from the
list below to pin down the cause of the problem. For more elaborate
instructions, see document 156126 in the KnowledgeBase, which explains
how to do troubleshooting in Safe Mode.

With Windows 98, you can use MSConfig to help you run the tests below.
With Windows 95, you can use Startup Manager or Startup Cop. Startup
Manager is a freeware program, similar to the Msconfig utility that
ships in Windows 98. It can make troubleshooting easier by removing
and restoring items from the Windows startup.

http://members.aye.net/cgi-bin/dfs_components.cgi?fw_startupmanager

Also, Startup Cop can disable items loading at Windows startup and it
is freeware. You can download Startup Cop from:

http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,,77594,.html
...snip...
Bill Starbuck (MVP)
...EOQ.................

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
| I'd like to hear everyone's views on Safe Mode, namely:
|
| 1) What do you understand to be the purpose of Safe Mode?
|
| 2) Do you ever use Safe Mode, and if so, for what purposes?
|
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| Error Messages Are Your Friends
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[PCR]

You are welcome. I do believe we both are in for a lesson/two from
cquirke soon as he's ready. (I kept meaning to engage Starbuck on that
one.)

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
(e-mail address removed)
|
| Hello PCR:
|
| I call that a comprehensive and an extensive lesson in "Safe Mode"
usage.
| Very much obliged.
|
| Harry, .....
|
|
| | > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;122051
| > How Windows 95 Performs a Safe-Mode Start
| >
| > I eliminated a "ghost" monitor in Safe Mode. Also, there was a
McAfee
| > update mishap involving Autoexec.bat & certain downloaded files that
| > required it. But why don't you hobnob with Starbuck over it...?...
| >
| > ...Quote...............
| > Modified from messages sent by Scot Boyd (Microsoft), R.Jayaram
| > (NetQuest), and Patty Free (Microsoft) --
| > ...snip...
| > 5. Does the problem occur in safe-mode? To get to Safe Mode, reboot
| > the computer and press F8 when you see "Starting Windows 95..."
Choose
| > Safe Mode from the menu.
| >
| > Safe Mode is intended for troubleshooting. It does the following:
| > (a) bypasses config.sys and autoexec.bat
| > (b) prevents programs from starting automatically because they are
| > listed in
| > win.ini or they are in the startup folder
| > (c) uses standard VGA video
| > (d) prevents a network from being started
| > (e) disables protected mode device drivers (which are listed in
| > Device Manager)
| > (f) bypasses the [boot] and [386Enh] sections of system.ini
| > For more details, see document 122051 in the Microsoft
KnowledgeBase.
| >
| > If Safe Mode makes the problem go away, you should try tests from
the
| > list below to pin down the cause of the problem. For more elaborate
| > instructions, see document 156126 in the KnowledgeBase, which
explains
| > how to do troubleshooting in Safe Mode.
| >
| > With Windows 98, you can use MSConfig to help you run the tests
below.
| > With Windows 95, you can use Startup Manager or Startup Cop. Startup
| > Manager is a freeware program, similar to the Msconfig utility that
| > ships in Windows 98. It can make troubleshooting easier by removing
| > and restoring items from the Windows startup.
| >
| > http://members.aye.net/cgi-bin/dfs_components.cgi?fw_startupmanager
| >
| > Also, Startup Cop can disable items loading at Windows startup and
it
| > is freeware. You can download Startup Cop from:
| >
| > http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/stories/info/0,,77594,.html
| > ...snip...
| > Bill Starbuck (MVP)
| > ...EOQ.................
| >
| > --
| > Thanks or Good Luck,
| > There may be humor in this post, and,
| > Naturally, you will not sue,
| > should things get worse after this,
| > PCR
| > (e-mail address removed)
| > | > | I'd like to hear everyone's views on Safe Mode, namely:
| > |
| > | 1) What do you understand to be the purpose of Safe Mode?
| > |
| > | 2) Do you ever use Safe Mode, and if so, for what purposes?
| > |
| > |
| > | >--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
| > | Error Messages Are Your Friends
| > | >--------------- ----- ---- --- -- - - -
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Jack E Martinelli]

And just when aren't you "engaged in some lively debate in an e-list on this
matter, details
to be clarified later ;-) "

(On the day, or two, following your death, perhaps, me thinks!)
(I suspect Kelly will be one of the first to know, as usual.)
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[... et al.]

cquirke (MVP Win9x) wrote:

| 1) What do you understand to be the purpose of Safe Mode?

To allow you to work in the GUI with 'as little drivers and other
startup-junk' loaded as possible.

1b) DO you understand it's purpose?

Probably not.

| 2) Do you ever use Safe Mode, and if so, for what purposes?

Very seldom.
Deliberately: Mostly after hardware-changes, to clean out
DeviceManager Devices that the OS does not allow me to see in
Unsafe Mode.
Unintentionanlly: If i FUBAR'd the system so it won't let me into
Unsafe Mode. If it's file corruption, System File Checker could
let me try to extract a another copy. But for registry
corruption, i reboot to DOS and 'ScanReg /Restore' a backup copy
from days past.

Proverbs Unscrolled #31
"Mary and me on the beach.JPG .pif"

Fortunately i havn't needed to, but i guess this was a clue for
when Safe Mode sometimes could be usefull. ;-)

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

I'm answering this from the Win98 group. To be honest, I'm not as clear on
Windows 2000/XP Normal vs. Safe Modes. In Win9x:

I use it to review and clean up the Hardware Profile.

I use it to perform tasks (like malware removal) when locked-file situations
exist in Normal mode. Could use other techniques, I suppose, but in this case
Safe Mode is easier.

Otherwise, I use MSCONFIG and other settings to clear the decks when I need a
"Clean Boot", since Safe Mode operates much more slowly than Normal Mode and has
no access to CD, USB, etc.

 

[cquirke (MVP Win9x)]

cquirke (MVP Win9x) wrote:

| 1) What do you understand to be the purpose of Safe Mode?

1b) DO you understand it's purpose?

Probably not.

Oh boy, are we gonna have fun!

For now, I'm just asking. I'll be telling later ;-)