Question about Aero in Vista RTM

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"When you maximize windows, do the borders still turn black."

Let me explain what the OP means.

"When" implies an event that occurs at a specific point in time or points in
time.
"You" means the person reading his post but in a rhetorical fashion.
"Maximize windows" means to take a specific action in a windowed operating
system to cause a window or windows to automatically size themselves to fill
all of the available client-area on the screen.
"Do the" implies a pending interrogative about whether the subject of the
interrogative causes or brings to pass the action of the interrogative.
"Borders", in the context of the OP's question refers to the areas along the
outer edges of a window, including the top title bar and the right, left,
and bottom borders.
"Still" implies that the asked about action has occurred in the past,
particularly, in the context of the OP's question, in previous beta and
release candidates of Windows Vista, and the OP wishes to know if that
previous behavior or action exists in the current version of Windows Vista.
"Turn" means to change state or, in the context of the OP's question, to
change color.
"Black" means the absence of color. In this case, the OP mistakenly
identifies the default color as black while I think it may be slate - but I
am not that good at colors; I could be wrong.

All told, the OP meant exactly what he asked. It was very clear. It isn't
a developer issue or a secret code. It is a standard behavior in Windows
Vista with Aero Glass enabled that when you maximize a window, or cause that
window to automatically adjust its size to fill all available client-area of
the screen, the left, right, and bottom borders go away and the top title
bar area turns opaque.

HTH, :)

Dale
 
For Windows sizing to have the Window remembered it should read File>Close
+Control button held down.

CH
 
That about covers that, if only the original poster had been so clear;-)

Thanks for making me laugh

Colin T
 
What a stupid post. I've been using Vista with Aero glass since the first
Beta build through RTM and I don't see any black borders period.

I added some info that may help people get the degree of transparency and
color they want. I've never seen black border one. You can also control
the thickness of borders on the Display Properties Appearanced Advanced
dialogue box so that there is no border period.

What a dumb bunch of garbage but if that's the way you like to jerk yourself
off go for it.

CH
 
Yes, Dale.. exactly so..

OK.. Tom.. all desktop visuals can be altered via right clicking on the
desktop and it has always been that way.. nobody should need their hand
holding for that..

Nightblade.. think about it.. only one border shows when a window is
maximized.. if the top border remained transparent, one would see nothing
meaningful underneath it, and the more windows maximized, even less of
nothing meaningful would be seen..

Aero Glass, for better or for worse, is for people who lay out multiple
windows and want some idea of what is underneath each one.. there are
different colors available for the border.. one can have Vista Aero, Vista
Basic, XP or Win 2000 look to the desktop, and virtually any combination of
all of them..

For any other queries re. this topic, go ask a judge.. :-)
 
Chad said:
What a stupid post. I've been using Vista with Aero glass since the
first Beta build through RTM and I don't see any black borders period.

I added some info that may help people get the degree of transparency
and color they want. I've never seen black border one. You can also
control the thickness of borders on the Display Properties
Appearanced Advanced dialogue box so that there is no border period.

What a dumb bunch of garbage but if that's the way you like to jerk
yourself off go for it.
Click to expand...

No but to be fair, the OP's description that you complained about is the
default behaviour of XP with Aero Glass running, and it seems only you
struggled to see that.
 
It is my guess that you don't see the OP's behavior because you're not
maximizing you're windows, you're manually resizing your windows to fill the
screen.

Dale
 
Dale--

Not so. I normally allow Windows to load full size, but in my experience
pop unders that are a progression from pop ups can change the size of
windows even when there are popup blockers running. I'm using Vista RTM with
IE7 and IE7 on XP as well as the google toolbar. Both have popup blocker
function, and can block most popunders, butsometimes even when they block
them, behnind the scenes they can influence future IE window size.

I have tried hard to see any black border on Vista when IE windows open. I
don't see them. I did the first post in response to some questions about
Aero Glass, and in hopes that the OP could easily tweak transparency and
color so I described and screenshot how to do that.

I just saw a post from Robert Moir from this morning where Robert said (take
a look)

"No but to be fair, the OP's description that you complained about is the
default behaviour of XP with Aero Glass running, and it seems only you
struggled to see that."

I'm pretty confused there because I never thought of trying to run or force
Aero Glass on Windows XP. I thought that Aero Glass was coded into Vista
but not XP. I'll go to my XP boot later and try to force it and see what
happens, but I'm confrused about XP brought into this. This is the first I
heard of it.

I made it a point to reread every post on this thread twice, and the first
mention of XP and Aero Glass was the comment by Robert. I mean the title of
the thread also was "Question Glass and Window Size Vista" so until Robert
mentioned it, I hadn't given XP and Aero glass a thought.

CH
 
Robert did you mean to type***** XP***** or Vista when you said

"No but to be fair, the OP's description that you complained about is the
default behaviour of *XP* with Aero Glass running, and it seems only you
struggled to see that."

I'm struggling with a couple things Robert.

I never thought about XP and Aero Glass before. I guess I can look around
the web but I thought it ws coded into Vista and not XP.

If you meant to type Vista, (where I asterisked XP in your comment, then my
struggle is that I just plain have never seen anything like a black border
at all in windows in any size with Vista. The reason I made the post I did
Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:08 PM was because I thought showing the OP
that he could tweak transparency in Vista (although he may not have the
build to do it--I don't remember when that came in--I'm using RTM--I don't
even remember seeing that slider for coors in Build 5840 or the one before
so maybe someone can help me there.

Dale asked if I manually resize Windows, but only when a "popunder" in the
background (or behind the scenes) has sized them to less than full screen
size and then to get memory back I close a window with File>Close holding
down the control button--often I make a child window and manually resize it
to full screen size and that seems to get IE memory back. I've been doing
that since Windows ME and with 98 on some peoples' boxes back in the day (or
in other words with Win 9X--I haven't run into very many Win 95 boxes in a
long time),

So you're right, I'm more than struggling with this "black border concept in
Vista"--I've simply never seen one.

I used some of MSFT's boxes a couple months ago for a Vista workshop--and
none of us noticed any black borders. Aero Glass was on all the notebooks.

I don't even know how to make the black border show up.

Thanks,

CH
 
You make it show up by opening a window in Vista and clicking the little
square box in the upper right, just to the left of the red box with the
little white x in it.

Dale
 
That's the first time this was qualified. I see it darken but to me, no
offense to anyone, it's hardly a big deal. I never use that window mode
anyway. It locks the window in place. You can mod it as well by tweaking
the hue and saturation, on the advanced tab that I screen shot., and moving
the color intensity slider.

You will lose Glass translucency but you can control color, and if you never
use the two staggered squares to the left of the X but just the full sized
one, you're never going to see this.

CH
 
OK.. Tom.. all desktop visuals can be altered via right clicking on the
desktop and it has always been that way.. nobody should need their hand
holding for that..
Click to expand...

Again, specifically what setting allows me to have full-screen windows take
on the glass transparent effect around their borders? I know where the
aero, and all other display settings, are. But your reply has led folks to
believe that there is a setting that allows maximized windows to be
transparent. My point in driving you for specifics is that there is no such
setting. It doesn't exist, and that is the reason you cannot provide
specifics on how to do it.
 
Chad said:
Robert did you mean to type***** XP***** or Vista when you said

"No but to be fair, the OP's description that you complained about is
the default behaviour of *XP* with Aero Glass running, and it seems
only you struggled to see that."
Click to expand...

My pardon, I meant to type "Vista" in there. Sorry.
 
Chad said:
That's the first time this was qualified. I see it darken but to me,
no offense to anyone, it's hardly a big deal.
Click to expand...

It's not a big deal, you're correct there. But it is an inconsistency for no
good reason that I can see. Presumably someone at Microsoft feels it is a
bigger deal than any of us think, because making it behave in that way must
have taken more work than just not bothering to have the window behaviour
change when maximised in that way.
 
The OP does not appear to like what happens to aero glass when windows are
maximized, and should turn the feature off as it will serve no purpose, or
waste time manually resizing the window, using the 'move and size' functions
to stabilize it..

Aero Glass is only useful (a debatable issue in itself) when layering
windows, which is why aero glass disappears when windows are maximized..
 
I think what you could do is adjust your window size by draging with your
mouse. This would make the window larger and keep the areo effect.
 
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