Question abotu upgrading to Vista

[Guest]

I have WinXP 32 bti edition currently installed and I was told by some people
that I cannot upgrade this to Home Premium. That okay with me. But I have a
few more questions.

If I wipe my HD clean, so WinXP is gone, and then I insert a Home Prem
upgrade CD, it asks me to put in a CD of a previous version of Windows right?
To make sure that I actually have purchased XP.

Would a WinXP pro disc work in that situation? Also, I have a legit WinXP
Home edition CD at my house. If I wipe my HD and put in the Home Prem
upgrade cd, I can insert the XP home cd right?

 

[Rick Rogers]

Hi Greg,

I have WinXP 32 bti edition currently installed and I was told by some
people
that I cannot upgrade this to Home Premium. That okay with me. But I
have a
few more questions.

WinXP Home (32-bit) can be upgraded to Vista Home Premium. WinXP Pro
(32-bit) can only be upgraded to Business or Ultimate.

If I wipe my HD clean, so WinXP is gone, and then I insert a Home Prem
upgrade CD, it asks me to put in a CD of a previous version of Windows
right?

No, it doesn't. This is a major shift in the way upgrades are qualified.
Previously, the check was for a qualifying media disk. Now it is for a
qualifying license. In order to check for a license, it must already be
installed and running when the upgrade is started. So, in order to use an
upgrade disk you must start from within an installed and running XP system.

To make sure that I actually have purchased XP.

Again, it's not the media that qualifies the installation, it's the license
to use XP that does. In short, a non-legit (pirated) install may not qualify
for an upgrade.

Would a WinXP pro disc work in that situation? Also, I have a legit WinXP
Home edition CD at my house. If I wipe my HD and put in the Home Prem
upgrade cd, I can insert the XP home cd right?

Again, you have to start the upgrade from within the OS, not show it the
media disk. There is a well known clean install workaround as well, but it
involves having to do the whole installation twice.

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
My thoughts http://rick-mvp.blogspot.com

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[Guest]

so ill have to shell out the extra for full edition ur saying?

 

[Guest]

Reading Greg's questions and Rick's answers I am wondering why one would
bother buying an upgrade version of Vista. Except for the money consideration
there really is no reason for buying an upgrade.
Anyone who had dealt with computers for a long period of time knows that
upgrading one version of Windows over another is frought with danger and
headaches. It was good in the past that you could install an upgrade on a
clean install when all you had to do was insert or original previous O/S disc
for validation.
If I read what Rick writes as correct I can understand why people are having
so much trouble with Vista ( all versions ). It is hard enough having to
learn a new O/S but now we have to battle the inconsistancies that arise from
doing an upgrade over an existing O/S.
Once again it looks like Microsoft has us by the short and curlies again.

 

[Guest]

idk, now im considering not buying vista, thats stupid to not allow you to
upgrade from WinXP Pro to Vista Home Prem

 

[Guest]

idk, now im considering not buying vista, thats stupid to not allow you to
upgrade from WinXP Pro to Vista Home Prem

You can do a clean install from the upgrade version. Boot from your DVD
and do a clean install.

 

[Guest]

other ppl said i cant do that..... i need a definitive answer

 

[Rock]

idk, now im considering not buying vista, thats stupid to not allow you to
upgrade from WinXP Pro to Vista Home Prem

You can use an upgrade version of Vista Home Premium with XP Pro as the
qualifying OS, you just can't do an in place upgrade. It has to be a clean
install. Don't confuse the ability to use an upgrade version with the
ability to do an in place upgrade.

 

[Rock]

Reading Greg's questions and Rick's answers I am wondering why one would
bother buying an upgrade version of Vista. Except for the money
consideration
there really is no reason for buying an upgrade.
Anyone who had dealt with computers for a long period of time knows that
upgrading one version of Windows over another is frought with danger and
headaches. It was good in the past that you could install an upgrade on a
clean install when all you had to do was insert or original previous O/S
disc
for validation.
If I read what Rick writes as correct I can understand why people are
having
so much trouble with Vista ( all versions ). It is hard enough having to
learn a new O/S but now we have to battle the inconsistancies that arise
from
doing an upgrade over an existing O/S.
Once again it looks like Microsoft has us by the short and curlies again.

I agree with the basic premise of your post except for the last line. I
don't understand what the issues of upgrade have to do with "Microsoft has
us by the short and curlies again".

You can try the in place upgrade, many are successful with it. You have to
do your homework, research hardware, driver, and software compatibility,
uninstall any items that could be a problem. Image the system before hand
so if it doesn't work then restore the image and try again.

If the upgrade doesn't work do a clean install with the upgrade version.

Personally I don't use the upgrade versions. I don't like being tied to the
previous OS or having to do a double install, but then the choice is yours
which way to go. I see it as a matter of choice not that MS has me by
anything.

 

[Rock]

other ppl said i cant do that..... i need a definitive answer
"CB" wrote:

Yes you can. You haven't read the posts clearly. Rick said you could in
his first reply. It involves a double install. Personally I wouldn't
bother with it, but here is a link on how to.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932

 

[Guest]

I agree with the basic premise of your post except for the last line. I
don't understand what the issues of upgrade have to do with "Microsoft has
us by the short and curlies again".

You can try the in place upgrade, many are successful with it. You have to
do your homework, research hardware, driver, and software compatibility,
uninstall any items that could be a problem. Image the system before hand
so if it doesn't work then restore the image and try again.

If the upgrade doesn't work do a clean install with the upgrade version.

Personally I don't use the upgrade versions. I don't like being tied to the
previous OS or having to do a double install, but then the choice is yours
which way to go. I see it as a matter of choice not that MS has me by
anything.

 

[Rock]

I admire Rock's knowledge and his ongoing desire to help as many people as
he can. He has
my sincere respect. I am only stating that you can do a clean install of
any Vista upgrade
version by booting from the DVD and choosing "Custom". I have never, never
had to do
a double install. I simply reformat and/or partition my hard drive, do the
clean install
from the upgrade and activate it online once it has installed. The
activation has always been
recognized and validated by Microsoft. Again, compared to a MVP and many
other
knowledgeable people in these forums I know very little. I do not claim to
be
knowledgeable or an expert on these issues because quite truthfully I am
not.

CB, you are absolutely correct. You can do a custom install with an upgrade
version of Vista. In some cases, such as going to Vista Home Premium from
XP Pro, this is the only choice. This will install Vista but not migrate
data and settings. It has to be started from the XP desktop.

This is not a "clean" install in the classic sense. It has to be started
from the XP desktop, and you cannot partition and format the drive during
the installation. It is clean in the sense that Vista's install is done by
laying it down as an image, rather than a file copy, as in the case of XP,
so there are no bits of the previous OS left, but it still has to be started
from the XP desktop.

The method I was referring to, and discussed in that link, allows you to
install from an upgrade version of Vista without XP being installed. The
drive can be formatted and partitioned before hand. This method requires a
double install of Vista, the first time without entering a product key, the
second time as an upgrade on itself. I don't recommend this method but it
exists. Of course one must still own a legitimate qualifying product to use
an upgrade version.

 

[Gary VanderMolen]

Others have reported that when the upgrade DVD is booted, it will reject the
product key because it recognizes that key as valid only for in-place upgrades.
Hence the need to do the 'double' install, the first time without entering a
product key. I don't mind doing a double install since the first install doesn't
require any customizations, so it only adds about 30 minutes to the overall
install time.

Gary VanderMolen

 

[Old Hippy]

Reading Greg's questions and Rick's answers I am wondering why one
would
bother buying an upgrade version of Vista. Except for the money
consideration
there really is no reason for buying an upgrade.
Anyone who had dealt with computers for a long period of time knows
that
upgrading one version of Windows over another is frought with danger
and
headaches. It was good in the past that you could install an upgrade on
a
clean install when all you had to do was insert or original previous
O/S
disc
for validation.
If I read what Rick writes as correct I can understand why people are
having
so much trouble with Vista ( all versions ). It is hard enough having
to
learn a new O/S but now we have to battle the inconsistancies that
arise
from
doing an upgrade over an existing O/S.
Once again it looks like Microsoft has us by the short and curlies
again.

I agree with the basic premise of your post except for the last line. I
don't understand what the issues of upgrade have to do with "Microsoft
has
us by the short and curlies again".

You can try the in place upgrade, many are successful with it. You have
to
do your homework, research hardware, driver, and software compatibility,
uninstall any items that could be a problem. Image the system before
hand
so if it doesn't work then restore the image and try again.

If the upgrade doesn't work do a clean install with the upgrade version.

Personally I don't use the upgrade versions. I don't like being tied to
the
previous OS or having to do a double install, but then the choice is
yours
which way to go. I see it as a matter of choice not that MS has me by
anything.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

I admire Rock's knowledge and his ongoing desire to help as many people
as he can. He has my sincere respect. I am only stating that you can do a
clean install of any Vista upgrade version by booting from the DVD and
choosing "Custom". I have never, never had to do a double install. I
simply reformat and/or partition my hard drive, do the clean install from
the upgrade and activate it online once it has installed. The activation
has always been recognized and validated by Microsoft. Again, compared to
a MVP and many other knowledgeable people in these forums I know very
little. I do not claim to be knowledgeable or an expert on these issues
because quite truthfully I am not.

You can do it this way.
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp

To save the extra money it is worth it when an install is about 14 minutes
on my machine the extra time is worth the savings.
tom

 

[Rock]

Reading Greg's questions and Rick's answers I am wondering why one
would
bother buying an upgrade version of Vista. Except for the money
consideration
there really is no reason for buying an upgrade.
Anyone who had dealt with computers for a long period of time knows
that
upgrading one version of Windows over another is frought with danger
and
headaches. It was good in the past that you could install an upgrade
on a
clean install when all you had to do was insert or original previous
O/S
disc
for validation.
If I read what Rick writes as correct I can understand why people are
having
so much trouble with Vista ( all versions ). It is hard enough having
to
learn a new O/S but now we have to battle the inconsistancies that
arise
from
doing an upgrade over an existing O/S.
Once again it looks like Microsoft has us by the short and curlies
again.

I agree with the basic premise of your post except for the last line. I
don't understand what the issues of upgrade have to do with "Microsoft
has
us by the short and curlies again".

You can try the in place upgrade, many are successful with it. You have
to
do your homework, research hardware, driver, and software compatibility,
uninstall any items that could be a problem. Image the system before
hand
so if it doesn't work then restore the image and try again.

If the upgrade doesn't work do a clean install with the upgrade version.

Personally I don't use the upgrade versions. I don't like being tied to
the
previous OS or having to do a double install, but then the choice is
yours
which way to go. I see it as a matter of choice not that MS has me by
anything.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

I admire Rock's knowledge and his ongoing desire to help as many people
as he can. He has my sincere respect. I am only stating that you can do
a clean install of any Vista upgrade version by booting from the DVD and
choosing "Custom". I have never, never had to do a double install. I
simply reformat and/or partition my hard drive, do the clean install
from the upgrade and activate it online once it has installed. The
activation has always been recognized and validated by Microsoft. Again,
compared to a MVP and many other knowledgeable people in these forums I
know very little. I do not claim to be knowledgeable or an expert on
these issues because quite truthfully I am not.

You can do it this way.
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp

To save the extra money it is worth it when an install is about 14 minutes
on my machine the extra time is worth the savings.
tom

Worth what savings? You still have to own a copy of a qualifying OS.

 

[MICHAEL]

* Rock:

:

Reading Greg's questions and Rick's answers I am wondering why one
would
bother buying an upgrade version of Vista. Except for the money
consideration
there really is no reason for buying an upgrade.
Anyone who had dealt with computers for a long period of time knows
that
upgrading one version of Windows over another is frought with danger
and
headaches. It was good in the past that you could install an upgrade
on a
clean install when all you had to do was insert or original previous
O/S
disc
for validation.
If I read what Rick writes as correct I can understand why people are
having
so much trouble with Vista ( all versions ). It is hard enough having
to
learn a new O/S but now we have to battle the inconsistancies that
arise
from
doing an upgrade over an existing O/S.
Once again it looks like Microsoft has us by the short and curlies
again.
I agree with the basic premise of your post except for the last line. I
don't understand what the issues of upgrade have to do with "Microsoft
has
us by the short and curlies again".

You can try the in place upgrade, many are successful with it. You have
to
do your homework, research hardware, driver, and software compatibility,
uninstall any items that could be a problem. Image the system before
hand
so if it doesn't work then restore the image and try again.

If the upgrade doesn't work do a clean install with the upgrade version.

Personally I don't use the upgrade versions. I don't like being tied to
the
previous OS or having to do a double install, but then the choice is
yours
which way to go. I see it as a matter of choice not that MS has me by
anything.

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

I admire Rock's knowledge and his ongoing desire to help as many people
as he can. He has my sincere respect. I am only stating that you can do
a clean install of any Vista upgrade version by booting from the DVD and
choosing "Custom". I have never, never had to do a double install. I
simply reformat and/or partition my hard drive, do the clean install
from the upgrade and activate it online once it has installed. The
activation has always been recognized and validated by Microsoft. Again,
compared to a MVP and many other knowledgeable people in these forums I
know very little. I do not claim to be knowledgeable or an expert on
these issues because quite truthfully I am not.

You can do it this way.
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade_clean.asp

To save the extra money it is worth it when an install is about 14 minutes
on my machine the extra time is worth the savings.
tom

Worth what savings? You still have to own a copy of a qualifying OS.

A user could save a lot of money if all they had installed on that
computer was a free Vista beta.

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/w...s-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx

<quote>
There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the Customer Preview Program;
however, because you are using a pre-release version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can
purchase and use the Upgrade version of Windows Vista. -Nick White, a Vista Product Launch Manager
</quote>

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/preview.mspx

<quote>
To install the final version of Windows Vista on any of these pre-release versions of Windows
Vista, you may purchase the desired Windows Vista Upgrade.
</quote>


-Michael

 

[MICHAEL]

* Rock:

The method I was referring to, and discussed in that link, allows you to
install from an upgrade version of Vista without XP being installed. The
drive can be formatted and partitioned before hand. This method requires a
double install of Vista, the first time without entering a product key, the
second time as an upgrade on itself. I don't recommend this method but it
exists.

Of course one must still own a legitimate qualifying product to use
an upgrade version.

A Vista beta meets that qualification.

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/w...s-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx

<quote>
There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the Customer Preview Program;
however, because you are using a pre-release version of Windows Vista Ultimate, you can
purchase and use the Upgrade version of Windows Vista. -Nick White, a Vista Product Launch Manager
</quote>

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/preview.mspx

<quote>
To install the final version of Windows Vista on any of these pre-release versions of Windows
Vista, you may purchase the desired Windows Vista Upgrade.
</quote>


-Michael

 

[Rock]

* Rock:


A Vista beta meets that qualification.

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/w...s-vista-beta-2-rc1-and-rc2-set-to-expire.aspx

<quote>
There are no product discounts specifically for participants in the
Customer Preview Program;
however, because you are using a pre-release version of Windows Vista
Ultimate, you can
purchase and use the Upgrade version of Windows Vista. -Nick White, a
Vista Product Launch Manager
</quote>

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/preview.mspx

<quote>
To install the final version of Windows Vista on any of these pre-release
versions of Windows
Vista, you may purchase the desired Windows Vista Upgrade.
</quote>

Right, I've seen that. It's good news for the CPP folks. We had been under
the impression that the Beta and RC versions were not a qualifying product.
Good to see that is not the case.

 

[MICHAEL]

* Rock:

Right, I've seen that. It's good news for the CPP folks. We had been under
the impression that the Beta and RC versions were not a qualifying product.
Good to see that is not the case.

I agree, and after I got done being all preachy about how late Microsoft
was in making the announcement and the misinformation that resulted
from that, I realized that it's a very good thing. Even though I knew that
it worked long before the official announcement, being able to tell others that
it is actually officially *allowed* makes a big difference. No "gray" areas to worry
about or accusations that it's stealing.

-Michael

 

[Bruce Chambers]

idk, now im considering not buying vista, thats stupid to not allow you to
upgrade from WinXP Pro to Vista Home Prem

Why's it "stupid?" Could you upgrade Win2K Pro to WinXP Home? Of
course not! Transitioning from a business/professional version of an OS
to a home consumer version has always been a downgrade, and I don't know
of any operating system that supports downgrades. Do you?


--

Bruce Chambers

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