Vista & new HD

[Guest]

Ok i currently have vista home prem upgrade installed on my hd, but i have a
feeling it is going to fail,as it sounds like it is being strangled.

My question is this:-

if i bought a new HD would i be able to reinstal my vista on this new hd???
I am aware it is an upgrade but this doesnt matter as its not the question.

I look forward to your comments

 

[Mike Brannigan]

Ok i currently have vista home prem upgrade installed on my hd, but i have
a
feeling it is going to fail,as it sounds like it is being strangled.

My question is this:-

if i bought a new HD would i be able to reinstal my vista on this new
hd???
I am aware it is an upgrade but this doesnt matter as its not the
question.

I look forward to your comments

Yes- you will be able to reinstall to the new HD.
You may have to activate by phone.

 

[Guest]

Thank you Mike

Yes- you will be able to reinstall to the new HD.
You may have to activate by phone.

 

[Alias]

Yes- you will be able to reinstall to the new HD.
You may have to activate by phone.

Why should one have to activate by phone when one merely replaces a
defective hard drive? And, being as the activation will be approved,
what's the point other than wasting the paying customer's time?

Alias

 

[Mike Brannigan]

Why should one have to activate by phone when one merely replaces a
defective hard drive? And, being as the activation will be approved,
what's the point other than wasting the paying customer's time?

Alias

Peoples experience varies and in some cases reinstalling to the original
hardware but with a replaced HD will require that the activation occur over
the phone as the key will be identified as being "in use" - this is not
always the case hence my use of "may".

The so called wasting of customer time is to ensure that the levels of
causal piracy are kept to as low a level as possible.
Given your other posts I suspect this is a meaningless discussion to have
with you about piracy so I will leave it there.
My original answer still stands.

 

[Alias]

Peoples experience varies and in some cases reinstalling to the original
hardware but with a replaced HD will require that the activation occur
over the phone as the key will be identified as being "in use" - this is
not always the case hence my use of "may".

If it will be approved, what's the point other than wasting the paying
customer's time?

The so called wasting of customer time is to ensure that the levels of
causal piracy are kept to as low a level as possible.

And how is that the paying customer's problem? If MS thinks someone is
stealing from them, they should call the proper authorities, not force
paying customers to prove they are not a thief. As far as casual piracy
is concerned, all MS has done is push people into the hands of pirates
who will happily sell them a pirated copy of Windows that needs no
activation, phone or Internet.

Given your other posts I suspect this is a meaningless discussion to
have with you about piracy so I will leave it there.

Of course because you approve of MS' you are a thief until you prove
otherwise over and over again. The fact that you try to steer the
discussion away from the issues by lamely trying to smear me is an MS
toady tactic from way back.

My original answer still stands.

I am sure you are right that the OP will may have to phone activate but
my post also still stands.

Alias

 

[Mike Brannigan]

If it will be approved, what's the point other than wasting the paying
customer's time?

See below

And how is that the paying customer's problem?

Because it is your "paying customers" who think they can install Windows on
multiple machines and do not read the End User Licensing Agreements that
they blindly push the I Agree button on when they install Windows, or give
copies to their friends and families etc. So WPA/WGA are entirely of the
casual pirates making and by that I mean the home users who just don't know
or care to read and understand their rights under licensing terms of
software products. They caused the need for WPA/WGA (commercial piracy is
dealt with by other means)

If MS thinks someone is stealing from them, they should call the proper
authorities, not force paying customers to prove they are not a thief.

Nonsense - do you leave your doors unlocked and then if burgled only call
the police then - or do you take appropriate preventative measures to
protect what is rightfully yours, such as putting a lock on your door or
asking for ID before you let an unknown person in?

As far as casual piracy is concerned, all MS has done is push people into
the hands of pirates who will happily sell them a pirated copy of Windows
that needs no activation, phone or Internet.

Only for those who would steal anyway. WPA/WGA help reinforce the measure
about licensing and using only legitimate software for end users and other
then the incredible rare activation event for an end user (normal end users
do not reinstall their PCs often and in many cases never install an OS as
they buy machine pre installed) and application activation like Office is a
one click event.
With WGA no one is saying anyone is a theif - it is only allowing you to go
from an unknown state in the eyes of the person offering you additional
downloads etc to be a known valid genuine user of the product. (again a
process that once done and the control is installed is no more of a
hindrance then a single mouse click)

Of course because you approve of MS' you are a thief until you prove
otherwise over and over again.

As I have explained that is not the case for the overwhelming number of
users - and WPA and WGA are not intrusive or problematic.
If you live in the US - you live in a country where you are required to be
able to produce id at any time when requested by a police officer - do you
not ask yourself why ? Is this not branding you all as criminals or aliens
until you prove that you are who you say you are ? Yet you accept this.
Then why complain about a software company requiring you once to prove you
are a legitimate user of their software ?

The fact that you try to steer the discussion away from the issues by
lamely trying to smear me is an MS toady tactic from way back.

I was not trying to steer the discussion anyway - I was simply answer the
actual question and had no desire to get drawn into a discussion about
WPA/WGA as your opinions and stance on this are quite clear. Frankly you
are the one who attempted to steer the OP off his simple question of
reinstalling and activation by bringing all this up.

 

[xfile]

Hi,

I just can't control myself when the magic words - WPA have been mentioned.

Then why complain about a software company requiring you once to prove you
are a legitimate user of their software ?

That's incorrect and you know it. I hate doing this but I have to - as an
ex-MS employer, you know WPA will constantly check and send system info (for
which no one knows exactly what will be sent) back to home and this is
so-called "calling home feature". So saying it is just a "once" is
misleading, except I don't know if you have done it intentionally or simply
forgot about it.


Preventing piracy doesn't mean one can constantly send system information
without user's knowledge and consensus to home.

WGA and activation have never been a problem and have been perceived as just
about the right measurements between the respect to customers and protecting
the company's interests.

So please leave out WGA and activation and don't mix everything together.

By the way, locking the door is not a requirement for placing charge against
burglary. And no, police cannot check ID or stop your car without a
probable cause - at least that's what I remember.

 

[Alias]

See below


Because it is your "paying customers" who think they can install Windows
on multiple machines and do not read the End User Licensing Agreements
that they blindly push the I Agree button on when they install Windows,
or give copies to their friends and families etc. So WPA/WGA are
entirely of the casual pirates making and by that I mean the home users
who just don't know or care to read and understand their rights under
licensing terms of software products. They caused the need for WPA/WGA
(commercial piracy is dealt with by other means)

Ah, so once again, MS blames the paying customer. Not a good PR move.The
fact that the EULA is a scam, as are the licensing schemes means nothing
to you. MS rarely catches real pirates and you know it.

Nonsense - do you leave your doors unlocked and then if burgled only
call the police then - or do you take appropriate preventative measures
to protect what is rightfully yours, such as putting a lock on your
door or asking for ID before you let an unknown person in?

Bad analogy. Whether the door is locked or not is not relevant. You can
still report a theft to the police.

Only for those who would steal anyway. WPA/WGA help reinforce the
measure about licensing

aka, a scam.

and using only legitimate software for end users
and other then the incredible rare activation event for an end user
(normal end users do not reinstall their PCs often and in many cases
never install an OS as they buy machine pre installed) and application
activation like Office is a one click event.

So, you're saying that MS takes advantage of users who are ignorant of
their scams. I agree.

With WGA no one is saying anyone is a theif - it is only allowing you to
go from an unknown state in the eyes of the person offering you
additional downloads etc to be a known valid genuine user of the
product. (again a process that once done and the control is installed is
no more of a hindrance then a single mouse click)

Um, when a customer plops down hard earned cash, that is the "known
state" and the ONLY thing MS should require when someone is buying and
using their software. They need to get a court order to come to my house
and demand to see my receipt. Making me jump through virtual hoops is
unconscionable and completely unacceptable.

As I have explained that is not the case for the overwhelming number of
users - and WPA and WGA are not intrusive or problematic.

That doesn't make it right.

If you live in the US - you live in a country where you are required to
be able to produce id at any time when requested by a police officer -
False.

do you not ask yourself why ? Is this not branding you all as criminals
or aliens until you prove that you are who you say you are ? Yet you
accept this.

If it were to become law, which it isn't, I would NOT accept this. A cop
in the USA has to have probable cause before he or she asks anyone for
an ID. In the USA, you are not required to carry an ID.

Then why complain about a software company requiring you
once to prove you are a legitimate user of their software ?

BECAUSE I ALREADY PROVED IT WITH MY HARD EARNED CASH, OF COURSE!!!!!!!

I was not trying to steer the discussion anyway - I was simply answer
the actual question and had no desire to get drawn into a discussion
about WPA/WGA as your opinions and stance on this are quite clear.
Frankly you are the one who attempted to steer the OP off his simple
question of reinstalling and activation by bringing all this up.

You'd rather the OP be ignorant. I don't.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Mike Brannigan wrote:
Yet you

accept this. Then why complain about a software company requiring you
once to prove you are a legitimate user of their software ?

"Once"? You *are* kidding, aren't you? WPA, WGA, WGA/N, SPP is not "once"!

Alias

 

[Mike Brannigan]

Hi,

I just can't control myself when the magic words - WPA have been
mentioned.


That's incorrect and you know it. I hate doing this but I have to - as an
ex-MS employer, you know WPA will constantly check and send system info
(for which no one knows exactly what will be sent) back to home and this
is so-called "calling home feature". So saying it is just a "once" is
misleading, except I don't know if you have done it intentionally or
simply forgot about it.

WPA does not call home unless one of the regular rechecks on status tell the
system that to is out of tolerance to changes.

This is all covered in the public FAQ on Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_faq.mspx
Is there rechecking of the activation done after initial activation? Is
there any secret data transfer to Microsoft?

The product does check itself from time to time to see if it is activated
and if it is still on the same PC on which it was originally activated. At
no time whatsoever is information transferred to Microsoft as a result of
Product Activation except while the user is actually in the process of
activating the product. There absolutely is no "secret" data transfer.

Preventing piracy doesn't mean one can constantly send system information
without user's knowledge and consensus to home.

Which is not done.

WGA and activation have never been a problem and have been perceived as
just about the right measurements between the respect to customers and
protecting the company's interests.

Indeed and that is my point I have been trying to make to "Alias" who see
WPA and WGA as some sort of invasion of privacy and trust issue.

So please leave out WGA and activation and don't mix everything together.

Why? they are both related to prevention of casual piracy and this both
relevant for "Alias'" issue.

By the way, locking the door is not a requirement for placing charge
against burglary.

No but you would be seen as negligent if you did not lock your doors to help
prevent crime

And no, police cannot check ID or stop your car without a probable cause -
at least that's what I remember.

(Of course "probable cause" is a fine line and often subjective, but there
are many counties where the carrying of personal ID is mandatory and may be
checked at random - including in modern western Europe)

--

Mike Brannigan

 

[Guest]

I don't understand what the big problem is regarding Microsoft's practice of
wanting to verify that your OS is legal and validated. Microsoft, and many
other companies, are losing billions of dollars in income annually to pirates
who steal their software. How would you feel if you had a product that you
spent billions of dollars to develop and then someone takes away your
proprietary rights?
This is not the country it once was. Things have changed. The federal
government and certain state governments consider you guilty until proven
innocent, in violation of the U.S. constitution. Law enforcement considers
you guilty until proven innocent.
You should consider yourself lucky that you don't live in the state of Ohio.
Ohio's Workers Compensation law, as regarding injuries in the workplace,
considers a person under the influence of drugs until proven otherwise. In
most places, a prospective employer will not hire you until you have proven
you are not a drug user, which in effect means you are considered guilty
until proven innocent.
I work construction and I am irritated and offended every time I must take a
drug test whenever I move from one contractor to another but there is nothing
I can do about it. The random drug tests irritate me also. However, that's
the way things are and they are not going to change.
I would suggest that people stop complaining about it. There is nothing you
can do to change it. Microsoft is merely safeguarding the interests of the
company. Validating your OS, either online or via the telephone, is such a
simple matter.

C.B.

 

[Alias]

I don't understand what the big problem is regarding Microsoft's practice of
wanting to verify that your OS is legal and validated.

Four times. It's an insult. If MS thinks I am stealing their
intellectual property, they need to get a court order to come to my
place and check. And they better be right or I will sue the living pants
off of them.

Microsoft, and many
other companies, are losing billions of dollars in income annually to pirates
who steal their software.

Riiiiiiiiight. That's why MS is one of the richest companies in the
world and makes more than a lot of countries.

How would you feel if you had a product that you
spent billions of dollars to develop and then someone takes away your
proprietary rights?

Microsoft cornered the OS market by allowing casual copying. Please cry
those tears elsewhere.

This is not the country it once was. Things have changed. The federal
government and certain state governments consider you guilty until proven
innocent, in violation of the U.S. constitution. Law enforcement considers
you guilty until proven innocent.
You should consider yourself lucky that you don't live in the state of Ohio.
Ohio's Workers Compensation law, as regarding injuries in the workplace,
considers a person under the influence of drugs until proven otherwise. In
most places, a prospective employer will not hire you until you have proven
you are not a drug user, which in effect means you are considered guilty
until proven innocent.
I work construction and I am irritated and offended every time I must take a
drug test whenever I move from one contractor to another but there is nothing
I can do about it. The random drug tests irritate me also. However, that's
the way things are and they are not going to change.
I would suggest that people stop complaining about it. There is nothing you
can do to change it. Microsoft is merely safeguarding the interests of the
company. Validating your OS, either online or via the telephone, is such a
simple matter.

C.B.

If what you say about the USA is true, I'm glad I don't live there
anymore. That said, it doesn't make it right.

Alias

 

[Justin]

See below


Because it is your "paying customers" who think they can install Windows
on multiple machines and do not read the End User Licensing Agreements
that they blindly push the I Agree button on when they install Windows, or
give copies to their friends and families etc. So WPA/WGA are entirely of
the casual pirates making and by that I mean the home users who just don't
know or care to read and understand their rights under licensing terms of
software products. They caused the need for WPA/WGA (commercial piracy is
dealt with by other means)


Nonsense - do you leave your doors unlocked and then if burgled only call
the police then - or do you take appropriate preventative measures to
protect what is rightfully yours, such as putting a lock on your door or
asking for ID before you let an unknown person in?


Only for those who would steal anyway. WPA/WGA help reinforce the measure
about licensing and using only legitimate software for end users and other
then the incredible rare activation event for an end user (normal end
users do not reinstall their PCs often and in many cases never install an
OS as they buy machine pre installed) and application activation like
Office is a one click event.
With WGA no one is saying anyone is a theif - it is only allowing you to
go from an unknown state in the eyes of the person offering you additional
downloads etc to be a known valid genuine user of the product. (again a
process that once done and the control is installed is no more of a
hindrance then a single mouse click)


As I have explained that is not the case for the overwhelming number of
users - and WPA and WGA are not intrusive or problematic.
If you live in the US - you live in a country where you are required to be
able to produce id at any time when requested by a police officer - do you
not ask yourself why ? Is this not branding you all as criminals or aliens
until you prove that you are who you say you are ? Yet you accept this.
Then why complain about a software company requiring you once to prove you
are a legitimate user of their software ?


I was not trying to steer the discussion anyway - I was simply answer the
actual question and had no desire to get drawn into a discussion about
WPA/WGA as your opinions and stance on this are quite clear. Frankly you
are the one who attempted to steer the OP off his simple question of
reinstalling and activation by bringing all this up.

Wow! Not again. How many times is alias going to go around and around and
around about the same thing? He's already been explained to MULTIPLE times
that his 100% activation theory is bogus.

alias, you are wrong! Read the thread, "Beware of Upgrading Your Computer".

We all understand that it ticks you off that you might have to actually use
your phone. But it’s ok. It's really not that hard. I swear!

The average user will never have to call MS.
The average user will never know what activation is.

These are special circumstances seen by a very small percentage of people.
When are you going to figure that out?

 

[Guest]

You are correct. It doesn't make it right.

C.B.

Four times. It's an insult. If MS thinks I am stealing their
intellectual property, they need to get a court order to come to my
place and check. And they better be right or I will sue the living pants
off of them.


Riiiiiiiiight. That's why MS is one of the richest companies in the
world and makes more than a lot of countries.


Microsoft cornered the OS market by allowing casual copying. Please cry
those tears elsewhere.


If what you say about the USA is true, I'm glad I don't live there
anymore. That said, it doesn't make it right.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Wow! Not again. How many times is alias going to go around and around
and around about the same thing? He's already been explained to
MULTIPLE times that his 100% activation theory is bogus.
False.


alias, you are wrong! Read the thread, "Beware of Upgrading Your
Computer".

We all understand that it ticks you off that you might have to actually
use your phone. But it’s ok. It's really not that hard. I swear!

Not the issue.

The average user will never have to call MS.
The average user will never know what activation is.

And MS wants to keep it that way because if they did ...

These are special circumstances seen by a very small percentage of
people. When are you going to figure that out?

People are not as ignorant or stupid as you think. As Abraham Lincoln
once said "You can fool some of the people ..."

Alias

 

[Mike Brannigan]

Four times. It's an insult. If MS thinks I am stealing their intellectual
property, they need to get a court order to come to my place and check.
And they better be right or I will sue the living pants off of them.

You are just not getting this are you.
If you go to Microsoft's web site to download an add on for Windows -
Microsoft is well within its right to say this can only be accessed by
people who have purchased the product and are legitimately licensed. (after
all why should dev time and effort be spent to make add ons etc for users
who stole the software in the first place.)
So they ask that you validate your copy of the OS by way of proving that you
are entitled to access to the download.
There is no assumption of guilt or theft here - it is purely that the
mechanism to access to the downloads is only available to legitimate users.
Since you are an nearly anonymous PC at the end of the internet connection
Microsoft cannot make any determination of the legitimacy of your claim to
gain access to that download without first installing the control and doing
a WGA validation of your product.
This is no worse then any other validation check before you are allowed
access to something or entry somewhere.

Riiiiiiiiight. That's why MS is one of the richest companies in the world
and makes more than a lot of countries.

Yes - but they would be richer and able to spend more on R&D if piracy was
not eating into the revenue (and yes both commercial and casual have an
impact).
Please don't try and excuse theft because the person you are stealing from
is wealthy then you.

Microsoft cornered the OS market by allowing casual copying. Please cry
those tears elsewhere.

Not true - the sales of Windows have always been strong. The current
dominance of Windows in the market has nothing to do with commercial or
causal end user theft of product. While again not an excuse the actual
sales of Windows are actually predominantly in the corporate space where
this is not actually an issues. So the Windows dominance is based on
corporates purchasing PCs preinstalled with Windows. The home use of
Windows has not significantly (except maybe in very recent years when home
PC penetration has grown dramatically) been where the Windows market share
came from.

 

[Justin]

If MS thinks I am stealing their intellectual property, they need to get a
court order to come to my place and check. And they better be right or I
will sue the living pants off of them.

Do you have OCD? MS does NOT think you are stealing. If you want to use
Windows then you need to follow the activation rules. Don’t like? Don't
use it. Gees, only an idiot wouldn’t understand something so simple!

 

[Justin]

False.

You really are ignorant. You claim false after I direct you to a thread
where the user was NOT granted activation?

You are so blinded by your own hate that you really are worthless.

The average user will never have to call MS.
The average user will never know what activation is.

These are special circumstances seen by a very small percentage of people.
When are you going to figure that out?

 

[Alias]

You are just not getting this are you.
If you go to Microsoft's web site to download an add on for Windows -
Microsoft is well within its right to say this can only be accessed by
people who have purchased the product and are legitimately licensed.
(after all why should dev time and effort be spent to make add ons etc
for users who stole the software in the first place.)
So they ask that you validate your copy of the OS by way of proving that
you are entitled to access to the download.
There is no assumption of guilt or theft here - it is purely that the
mechanism to access to the downloads is only available to legitimate users.
Since you are an nearly anonymous PC at the end of the internet
connection Microsoft cannot make any determination of the legitimacy of
your claim to gain access to that download without first installing the
control and doing a WGA validation of your product.
This is no worse then any other validation check before you are allowed
access to something or entry somewhere.


Yes - but they would be richer and able to spend more on R&D if piracy
was not eating into the revenue (and yes both commercial and casual have
an impact).
Please don't try and excuse theft because the person you are stealing
from is wealthy then you.


Not true - the sales of Windows have always been strong. The current
dominance of Windows in the market has nothing to do with commercial or
causal end user theft of product. While again not an excuse the actual
sales of Windows are actually predominantly in the corporate space where
this is not actually an issues. So the Windows dominance is based on
corporates purchasing PCs preinstalled with Windows. The home use of
Windows has not significantly (except maybe in very recent years when
home PC penetration has grown dramatically) been where the Windows
market share came from.

Yawn, same old same old excuses.

Alias