Product Activation

[Merlin Anderson]

I would like to transfer product activation on FrontPage 2002 to a new owner
and then install 2003 on my computer. How do I transfer ownership to
someone else?

 

[Steve Easton]

Legally you can't. Therefore I would recommend you buy the 2003 upgrade
edition instead and upgrade to 2003.

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=]

I've done it.

That's how I got FP2002. My mildly brain damaged (seriously) friend bought FP2002 & Jim B's book thinking he could manage a site I originally designed for him from his home in Fla. This proved too difficult for him to learn, so after having installed it on his Vaio in Fla. He uninstalled it, called MS and they transferred ownership to me.

So somehow it can legally be done.

Robo


| Legally you can't. Therefore I would recommend you buy the 2003 upgrade
| edition instead and upgrade to 2003.
|
| --
| Steve Easton
| Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| 95isalive
| This site is best viewed............
| .......................with a computer
|
| | > I would like to transfer product activation on FrontPage 2002 to a new
| owner
| > and then install 2003 on my computer. How do I transfer ownership to
| > someone else?
| >
| >
|
|

 

[geek]

I really do not see how Microsoft can keep somebody from transferring
ownership to someone else. If the conditions are met, that is to get rid of
copies (on ones computer), then turning over original product code (CD or
Floppy) to a new owner. For Microsoft to say a person can not transfer
ownership of the product to another person is like a book publisher saying,
that after you have read or are finished with a book you can not give it
away or re-sell it. Maybe an even better (because I live in the Detroit
Metro area of Michigan) anecdote is the Big Three of the car companies
saying, I can not sell or transfer ownership of my vehicle to somebody else,
they have to buy a new vehicle (wouldn't the car companies love that
though).

I've done it.

That's how I got FP2002. My mildly brain damaged (seriously) friend bought
FP2002 & Jim B's book thinking he could manage a site I originally designed
for him from his home in Fla. This proved too difficult for him to learn, so
after having installed it on his Vaio in Fla. He uninstalled it, called MS
and they transferred ownership to me.

So somehow it can legally be done.

Robo


| Legally you can't. Therefore I would recommend you buy the 2003 upgrade
| edition instead and upgrade to 2003.
|
| --
| Steve Easton
| Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| 95isalive
| This site is best viewed............
| .......................with a computer
|
| | > I would like to transfer product activation on FrontPage 2002 to a new
| owner
| > and then install 2003 on my computer. How do I transfer ownership to
| > someone else?
| >
| >
|
|

 

[JL Amerson]

As long as you purchase FP 2002 and 2003 separately (not part of an Office
package or as an OEM from your computer's manufacturer), you can do this.

Uninstall 2002 from your computer, install 2003. When the person who gets
the 2002 sets it up, he/she will have to use the phone activation option.
They can expalin that they are the second owners, yada-yada-yada.

 

[JL Amerson]

I can tell you how. When you paid for the software, you didn't "buy" it, you
purchased the right to use it according to Microsoft's rules. Depending on
how you acquired the software (full version, upgrade, OEM, eacademic
license), your rights that pertain to the software may vary.

You really need to read the EULA that pertains to your version to know what
your rights are. The only part I have a problem with is that you need to
open the package to read the EULA and if you don't agree with it, you're
supposed to return it. Most places will not take back software after it's
been opened. I don't buy software unless I've read the system requirements
and anything else that seems like "legalese" on the outside of the box. I
got caught once by not reading that a game was strictly online. I don't play
online - I'm anti-social. I purchased it at Wal-Mart and they have that open
package rule. Fortunately, EB took it back for all but full credit and I got
a game I *could* play by myself. I got lucky that time - they may not do it
the next.

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=]

From my understanding of parts of copyright law, they probably can't, and they don't from my experience.



| I really do not see how Microsoft can keep somebody from transferring
| ownership to someone else. If the conditions are met, that is to get rid of
| copies (on ones computer), then turning over original product code (CD or
| Floppy) to a new owner. For Microsoft to say a person can not transfer
| ownership of the product to another person is like a book publisher saying,
| that after you have read or are finished with a book you can not give it
| away or re-sell it. Maybe an even better (because I live in the Detroit
| Metro area of Michigan) anecdote is the Big Three of the car companies
| saying, I can not sell or transfer ownership of my vehicle to somebody else,
| they have to buy a new vehicle (wouldn't the car companies love that
| though).
|
| | I've done it.
|
| That's how I got FP2002. My mildly brain damaged (seriously) friend bought
| FP2002 & Jim B's book thinking he could manage a site I originally designed
| for him from his home in Fla. This proved too difficult for him to learn, so
| after having installed it on his Vaio in Fla. He uninstalled it, called MS
| and they transferred ownership to me.
|
| So somehow it can legally be done.
|
| Robo
|
|
| | | Legally you can't. Therefore I would recommend you buy the 2003 upgrade
| | edition instead and upgrade to 2003.
| |
| | --
| | Steve Easton
| | Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| | 95isalive
| | This site is best viewed............
| | .......................with a computer
| |
| | | | > I would like to transfer product activation on FrontPage 2002 to a new
| | owner
| | > and then install 2003 on my computer. How do I transfer ownership to
| | > someone else?
| | >
| | >
| |
| |
|
|
| ---
| Outgoing mail from The Bush Family is certified Virus Free.
| No internet transmitted diseases here because we use;
| Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
| Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 3/31/2004
|
|

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=]

That's kinda what he's saying, if I paid for use of the product and I am no longer using it and legitimately remove it from my machine and give or sell it to another person...I don't think copyright law will stand no matter what the EULA may say.

In practicality would MS try to enforce this? No. Why? Because in effect now they have TWO customers instead of one - (we're not talking piracy here)...the original owner now has a new machine that he will buy MS product on...and the new owner of the old software will eventually upgrade.

Moveover, copyright infringement is costly to bring suit on and damages have to be proved...and this is *much* harder to prove than you might imagine.


| I can tell you how. When you paid for the software, you didn't "buy" it, you
| purchased the right to use it according to Microsoft's rules. Depending on
| how you acquired the software (full version, upgrade, OEM, eacademic
| license), your rights that pertain to the software may vary.
|
| You really need to read the EULA that pertains to your version to know what
| your rights are. The only part I have a problem with is that you need to
| open the package to read the EULA and if you don't agree with it, you're
| supposed to return it. Most places will not take back software after it's
| been opened. I don't buy software unless I've read the system requirements
| and anything else that seems like "legalese" on the outside of the box. I
| got caught once by not reading that a game was strictly online. I don't play
| online - I'm anti-social. I purchased it at Wal-Mart and they have that open
| package rule. Fortunately, EB took it back for all but full credit and I got
| a game I *could* play by myself. I got lucky that time - they may not do it
| the next.
|
| | > I really do not see how Microsoft can keep somebody from transferring
| > ownership to someone else. If the conditions are met, that is to get rid
| of
| > copies (on ones computer), then turning over original product code (CD or
| > Floppy) to a new owner. For Microsoft to say a person can not transfer
| > ownership of the product to another person is like a book publisher
| saying,
| > that after you have read or are finished with a book you can not give it
| > away or re-sell it. Maybe an even better (because I live in the Detroit
| > Metro area of Michigan) anecdote is the Big Three of the car companies
| > saying, I can not sell or transfer ownership of my vehicle to somebody
| else,
| > they have to buy a new vehicle (wouldn't the car companies love that
| > though).
| >
| message
| > | > I've done it.
| >
| > That's how I got FP2002. My mildly brain damaged (seriously) friend bought
| > FP2002 & Jim B's book thinking he could manage a site I originally
| designed
| > for him from his home in Fla. This proved too difficult for him to learn,
| so
| > after having installed it on his Vaio in Fla. He uninstalled it, called MS
| > and they transferred ownership to me.
| >
| > So somehow it can legally be done.
| >
| > Robo
| >
| >
| > | > | Legally you can't. Therefore I would recommend you buy the 2003 upgrade
| > | edition instead and upgrade to 2003.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Steve Easton
| > | Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > | 95isalive
| > | This site is best viewed............
| > | .......................with a computer
| > |
| > | | > | > I would like to transfer product activation on FrontPage 2002 to a new
| > | owner
| > | > and then install 2003 on my computer. How do I transfer ownership to
| > | > someone else?
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| > ---
| > Outgoing mail from The Bush Family is certified Virus Free.
| > No internet transmitted diseases here because we use;
| > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
| > Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 3/31/2004
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

However if the product is an upgrade, then all prior versions must also be transferred

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


That's kinda what he's saying, if I paid for use of the product and I am no longer using it and
legitimately remove it from my machine and give or sell it to another person...I don't think
copyright law will stand no matter what the EULA may say.

In practicality would MS try to enforce this? No. Why? Because in effect now they have TWO customers
instead of one - (we're not talking piracy here)...the original owner now has a new machine that he
will buy MS product on...and the new owner of the old software will eventually upgrade.

Moveover, copyright infringement is costly to bring suit on and damages have to be proved...and this
is *much* harder to prove than you might imagine.


| I can tell you how. When you paid for the software, you didn't "buy" it, you
| purchased the right to use it according to Microsoft's rules. Depending on
| how you acquired the software (full version, upgrade, OEM, eacademic
| license), your rights that pertain to the software may vary.
|
| You really need to read the EULA that pertains to your version to know what
| your rights are. The only part I have a problem with is that you need to
| open the package to read the EULA and if you don't agree with it, you're
| supposed to return it. Most places will not take back software after it's
| been opened. I don't buy software unless I've read the system requirements
| and anything else that seems like "legalese" on the outside of the box. I
| got caught once by not reading that a game was strictly online. I don't play
| online - I'm anti-social. I purchased it at Wal-Mart and they have that open
| package rule. Fortunately, EB took it back for all but full credit and I got
| a game I *could* play by myself. I got lucky that time - they may not do it
| the next.
|
| | > I really do not see how Microsoft can keep somebody from transferring
| > ownership to someone else. If the conditions are met, that is to get rid
| of
| > copies (on ones computer), then turning over original product code (CD or
| > Floppy) to a new owner. For Microsoft to say a person can not transfer
| > ownership of the product to another person is like a book publisher
| saying,
| > that after you have read or are finished with a book you can not give it
| > away or re-sell it. Maybe an even better (because I live in the Detroit
| > Metro area of Michigan) anecdote is the Big Three of the car companies
| > saying, I can not sell or transfer ownership of my vehicle to somebody
| else,
| > they have to buy a new vehicle (wouldn't the car companies love that
| > though).
| >
| message
| > | > I've done it.
| >
| > That's how I got FP2002. My mildly brain damaged (seriously) friend bought
| > FP2002 & Jim B's book thinking he could manage a site I originally
| designed
| > for him from his home in Fla. This proved too difficult for him to learn,
| so
| > after having installed it on his Vaio in Fla. He uninstalled it, called MS
| > and they transferred ownership to me.
| >
| > So somehow it can legally be done.
| >
| > Robo
| >
| >
| > | > | Legally you can't. Therefore I would recommend you buy the 2003 upgrade
| > | edition instead and upgrade to 2003.
| > |
| > | --
| > | Steve Easton
| > | Microsoft MVP FrontPage
| > | 95isalive
| > | This site is best viewed............
| > | .......................with a computer
| > |
| > | | > | > I would like to transfer product activation on FrontPage 2002 to a new
| > | owner
| > | > and then install 2003 on my computer. How do I transfer ownership to
| > | > someone else?
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
| > ---
| > Outgoing mail from The Bush Family is certified Virus Free.
| > No internet transmitted diseases here because we use;
| > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
| > Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 3/31/2004
| >
| >
|
|

 

[Bob]

I can tell you how. When you paid for the software, you didn't "buy" it, you
purchased the right to use it according to Microsoft's rules. Depending on
how you acquired the software (full version, upgrade, OEM, eacademic
license), your rights that pertain to the software may vary.

That's the key point. These days you are typically purchasing a
license to *use* a software product, not the product. By selling
you a license, companies like MS (and *all* other major software
vendors) manage to not only impose conditions which would be illegal
with an outright sale, but also conveniently skirt the provisions
of the commercial codes and state laws pertaining to warranties of
merchantability (and other business/consumer protections).

The laws have not kept up with the industry at either the state or the
federal level. Therefore the manufacturer can sell you a license that
pretty much says whatever they want it to say...

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=]

It's always been like that. Software is treated as intellectual property. Why - I still have a boxed 5 user set of Novell that I keep in my software museum...why? Because it cost me 1500 smackers!...not to own...to use...and damn it...I'm gonna get my money's worth just staring at the 12 year old box - dadblameit!


| On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 18:52:44 -0400, "JL Amerson"
|
| >I can tell you how. When you paid for the software, you didn't "buy" it, you
| >purchased the right to use it according to Microsoft's rules. Depending on
| >how you acquired the software (full version, upgrade, OEM, eacademic
| >license), your rights that pertain to the software may vary.
|
| That's the key point. These days you are typically purchasing a
| license to *use* a software product, not the product. By selling
| you a license, companies like MS (and *all* other major software
| vendors) manage to not only impose conditions which would be illegal
| with an outright sale, but also conveniently skirt the provisions
| of the commercial codes and state laws pertaining to warranties of
| merchantability (and other business/consumer protections).
|
| The laws have not kept up with the industry at either the state or the
| federal level. Therefore the manufacturer can sell you a license that
| pretty much says whatever they want it to say...
|
|

 

[Thomas A. Rowe]

I couldn't take staring at the 50 lbs of manual for Novell, so I finally got rid of my set 2 years
ago.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)

FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================


It's always been like that. Software is treated as intellectual property. Why - I still have a boxed
5 user set of Novell that I keep in my software museum...why? Because it cost me 1500
smackers!...not to own...to use...and damn it...I'm gonna get my money's worth just staring at the
12 year old box - dadblameit!


| On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 18:52:44 -0400, "JL Amerson"
|
| >I can tell you how. When you paid for the software, you didn't "buy" it, you
| >purchased the right to use it according to Microsoft's rules. Depending on
| >how you acquired the software (full version, upgrade, OEM, eacademic
| >license), your rights that pertain to the software may vary.
|
| That's the key point. These days you are typically purchasing a
| license to *use* a software product, not the product. By selling
| you a license, companies like MS (and *all* other major software
| vendors) manage to not only impose conditions which would be illegal
| with an outright sale, but also conveniently skirt the provisions
| of the commercial codes and state laws pertaining to warranties of
| merchantability (and other business/consumer protections).
|
| The laws have not kept up with the industry at either the state or the
| federal level. Therefore the manufacturer can sell you a license that
| pretty much says whatever they want it to say...
|
|

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=]

I was thinking of making a coffee table out of the nice red box
I also have Netscrape 1 in a sealed package....did I mention DOS 3.0?
El Robo's Software Museum

| I couldn't take staring at the 50 lbs of manual for Novell, so I finally got rid of my set 2 years
| ago.
|
| --
| ==============================================
| Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
| WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
|
| FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
| ==============================================
| To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
| http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
|
| | It's always been like that. Software is treated as intellectual property. Why - I still have a boxed
| 5 user set of Novell that I keep in my software museum...why? Because it cost me 1500
| smackers!...not to own...to use...and damn it...I'm gonna get my money's worth just staring at the
| 12 year old box - dadblameit!
|
|
| | | On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 18:52:44 -0400, "JL Amerson"
| |
| | >I can tell you how. When you paid for the software, you didn't "buy" it, you
| | >purchased the right to use it according to Microsoft's rules. Depending on
| | >how you acquired the software (full version, upgrade, OEM, eacademic
| | >license), your rights that pertain to the software may vary.
| |
| | That's the key point. These days you are typically purchasing a
| | license to *use* a software product, not the product. By selling
| | you a license, companies like MS (and *all* other major software
| | vendors) manage to not only impose conditions which would be illegal
| | with an outright sale, but also conveniently skirt the provisions
| | of the commercial codes and state laws pertaining to warranties of
| | merchantability (and other business/consumer protections).
| |
| | The laws have not kept up with the industry at either the state or the
| | federal level. Therefore the manufacturer can sell you a license that
| | pretty much says whatever they want it to say...
| |
| |
|
|

 

[Bob]

I was thinking of making a coffee table out of the nice red box
I also have Netscrape 1 in a sealed package....did I mention DOS 3.0?
El Robo's Software Museum

I used to carry Netscape 1 on a single floppy for installs. LOL.

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=]

How about VisiCalc on an 8" floppy?


| On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 07:28:39 -0700, Crash Gordon®
|
| >I was thinking of making a coffee table out of the nice red box
| >I also have Netscrape 1 in a sealed package....did I mention DOS 3.0?
| >El Robo's Software Museum
|
| I used to carry Netscape 1 on a single floppy for installs. LOL.

 

[Bob]

How about VisiCalc on an 8" floppy?

He, he, he... I still have a few 8"ers of those myself. I remember
the day we got the "magazine drive" that would auto load up to 10
of those in sequence. What a big day that was!

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Crash_Gordon=AE?=]

About 3 months ago I threw away an old NEC hard drive...it was the size of a washing machine and had a whopping 5 meg capacity! I saved the armature magnet though...it weighs about 6 pounds and is great for picking up nails in the garage! TECHNOLOGY...


| On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 17:58:29 -0700, Crash Gordon®
|
| >How about VisiCalc on an 8" floppy?
| >
|
| He, he, he... I still have a few 8"ers of those myself. I remember
| the day we got the "magazine drive" that would auto load up to 10
| of those in sequence. What a big day that was!