Printing tips

[dinoz]

which printing setting should I use to print brochure from PDF file, Adobe
Reader options showing when print, or options of printer driver?
I need print brochure from pdf, doubleside, and to keep correct page
numbering, the same as in pdf brochure, for assembling pages into standard
brochure. PDF have page numeration like this:
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/8294/bookt.gif
total 63 pages (32 sheet)
Manual duplex, HP laserJet 3055
How to get this?

 

[Jack Toff]

Adobe Reader options. If you have any further questions, go to the Adobe
site and read their faqs, knowledgebase, ask their support desk or ask
in their forums. Nothing to do with Windows XP.

 

[David H. Lipman]

Adobe Reader options. If you have any further questions, go to the Adobe site and read
their faqs, knowledgebase, ask their support desk or ask in their forums. Nothing to do
with Windows XP.

He has already addressed this in an Adobe Acrobat news group.

It is my belief that it would be up to the HP LaserJet drivers, maybe under PCL6.

 

[VanguardLH]

which printing setting should I use to print brochure from PDF file, Adobe
Reader options showing when print, or options of printer driver?
I need print brochure from pdf, doubleside, and to keep correct page
numbering, the same as in pdf brochure, for assembling pages into standard
brochure. PDF have page numeration like this:
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/8294/bookt.gif
total 63 pages (32 sheet)
Manual duplex, HP laserJet 3055
How to get this?

When you elect to print a doc from within an app, including Adobe
Reader, the printer options dialog will appear. Well, it might. If you
click on a toolbar button, it might just dump the print job to whatever
is currently the default printer. So use the File -> Print menu to
start a print job and ensure you get the printer options dialog. There
you should see an option about duplex or double-sided printing.

Since you don't have a printer with a return feeder mechanism to do
automatic double-sided printing (i.e., all you have is manual double-
sided printing which means you have to remove and flip around the
paper), the option in the printer options dialog will result in first
printing the odd-numbered pages. After printing the pages, the printer
waits for you to flip around the paper and resume the print job
whereupon the even-numbered pages get printed on the backside of the
previously printed pages.

Did a manual (hardcopy or a file on a CD) not come with the printer? If
not, you can get and read a copy of the manual retrieved from HP's web
site. I'm not going to dig out the URL to the online manual since
that's something you should learn to do for yourself.

- Go to http://www.hp.com/.
- In the searchbox at top right of the page, enter "LaserJet 3055".
- Click on the "Product Manuals" link.

Section 5, "Printing", page 95 tells you how to do manual double-
sided printing. Since you're reading part of the manual, now would be a
good time to relax, get a hot brew of coffee/tea/cider, and read the
whole manual front to end.

Note that although the manual tells you to remove all the unused media
(paper) from the input tray when reinserting the printed pages, you
should be able to just flip them over and lay atop the paper still
sitting in the input tray as the printed sheets should be the first ones
picked up to print the reverse side of those pages.

 

[dinoz]

When you elect to print a doc from within an app, including Adobe
Reader, the printer options dialog will appear. Well, it might. If you
click on a toolbar button, it might just dump the print job to whatever
is currently the default printer. So use the File -> Print menu to
start a print job and ensure you get the printer options dialog. There
you should see an option about duplex or double-sided printing.

Since you don't have a printer with a return feeder mechanism to do
automatic double-sided printing (i.e., all you have is manual double-
sided printing which means you have to remove and flip around the
paper), the option in the printer options dialog will result in first
printing the odd-numbered pages. After printing the pages, the printer
waits for you to flip around the paper and resume the print job
whereupon the even-numbered pages get printed on the backside of the
previously printed pages.

Did a manual (hardcopy or a file on a CD) not come with the printer? If
not, you can get and read a copy of the manual retrieved from HP's web
site. I'm not going to dig out the URL to the online manual since
that's something you should learn to do for yourself.

- Go to http://www.hp.com/.
- In the searchbox at top right of the page, enter "LaserJet 3055".
- Click on the "Product Manuals" link.

Section 5, "Printing", page 95 tells you how to do manual double-
sided printing. Since you're reading part of the manual, now would be a
good time to relax, get a hot brew of coffee/tea/cider, and read the
whole manual front to end.

Note that although the manual tells you to remove all the unused media
(paper) from the input tray when reinserting the printed pages, you
should be able to just flip them over and lay atop the paper still
sitting in the input tray as the printed sheets should be the first ones
picked up to print the reverse side of those pages.

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I know how print doubleside without going through full HP manual. What I am
asking, is how to prepare page numbering in my case as I want get correct
page numbering on folded brochure. If I just print doubleside pdf I have
(pre-numbered sheets) I will get incorrect page numbering when I fold
brochure. Example or correct numbering: let assume I have 4 doubleside
printed sheets, which is folded in half. The right page numbering will be

1st sheet: 0 | 14
2nd sheet: 3 | 12 - front side, 13 | 2 - back side
3rd sheet: 5 | 10 - front side, 11 | 4 - back side
4th sheet: 7 | 8 - front side, 9 | 6 - back side

Did you got what I mean?

thanks.

 

[boatman312]

....
I know how print doubleside without going through full HP manual. What I
am asking, is how to prepare page numbering in my case as I want get
correct page numbering on folded brochure. If I just print doubleside
pdf I have (pre-numbered sheets) I will get incorrect page numbering
when I fold brochure. Example or correct numbering: let assume I have 4
doubleside printed sheets, which is folded in half. The right page
numbering will be

1st sheet: 0 | 14
2nd sheet: 3 | 12 - front side, 13 | 2 - back side
3rd sheet: 5 | 10 - front side, 11 | 4 - back side
4th sheet: 7 | 8 - front side, 9 | 6 - back side

Did you got what I mean?

thanks.

I've always set up the page numbering, etc, in the word processor (page
setup and header) _before_ I created the PDF from the file.

 

[Rob]

I've always set up the page numbering, etc, in the word processor (page setup and header) _before_ I created the PDF from the file.

Yes. I used to produce A5 size booklets from A4 paper using CorelDraw and
all of the page layout and numbering work etc was done inside CorelDraw, not
in the printer dialog.

 

[VanguardLH]

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I know how print doubleside without going through full HP manual. What I am
asking, is how to prepare page numbering in my case as I want get correct
page numbering on folded brochure. If I just print doubleside pdf I have
(pre-numbered sheets) I will get incorrect page numbering when I fold
brochure. Example or correct numbering: let assume I have 4 doubleside
printed sheets, which is folded in half. The right page numbering will be

1st sheet: 0 | 14
2nd sheet: 3 | 12 - front side, 13 | 2 - back side
3rd sheet: 5 | 10 - front side, 11 | 4 - back side
4th sheet: 7 | 8 - front side, 9 | 6 - back side

Did you got what I mean?

thanks.

If the page numbers are footers contained within the document, the
printer won't be able to undo that. When you look at the .pdf file, are
there already page numbers at the bottom of each page in a footer
section?

I didn't quite follow your table on page numbering. If there are 4
double-side sheets that have 2 columns on each side, there would be 16
pages, as in (the ":" represent where the sheet gets folded in half):

Sheet 1, front Sheet 1, back
_____________._____________ _____________._____________
| _________ : _________ | | _________ : _________ |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | page 16 | : | page 1 | | | | page 2 | : | page 15 | |
| |_________| : |_________| | | |_________| : |_________| |
|_____________:_____________| |_____________:_____________|


Sheet 2, front Sheet 2, back
_____________._____________ _____________._____________
| _________ : _________ | | _________ : _________ |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | page 14 | : | page 3 | | | | page 4 | : | page 13 | |
| |_________| : |_________| | | |_________| : |_________| |
|_____________:_____________| |_____________:_____________|

Sheet 3, front Sheet 3, back
_____________._____________ _____________._____________
| _________ : _________ | | _________ : _________ |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | page 12 | : | page 5 | | | | page 6 | : | page 11 | |
| |_________| : |_________| | | |_________| : |_________| |
|_____________:_____________| |_____________:_____________|

Sheet 4, front Sheet 4, back
_____________._____________ _____________._____________
| _________ : _________ | | _________ : _________ |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | page 10 | : | page 7 | | | | page 8 | : | page 9 | |
| |_________| : |_________| | | |_________| : |_________| |
|_____________:_____________| |_____________:_____________|

Here I'm assuming you'll be stapling the brochure in the middle and want
to read it like a book. You take the last sheet, fold it in half (so
pages 8 & 9 face each other), fold the next to last sheet in half and
slide it over the previously folded page, and continue back to the first
sheet which is folded in half and slid over last.

The printer driver obviously can't do that. You want the pages to be
very much jumbled out of their lineal order in the document. While a
word processor might have this type of brochure printing, it won't be in
a printer driver.

My HP printer's driver lets me do booklet or tablet printing. That
takes a page and prints them on half of the sheet in the proper order so
that I can fold the sheets in half and staple them together. However,
that scheme assumes a WHOLE page in the doc resides within half of a
page in the printed output on one side of a sheet - but that sounds like
what you want. My printer does automatic duplex printing, your's
doesn't, so half-way through the print job you'll be extracting,
flipping around, and reinserting the paper and this can get tricky since
you have to "flip around" correctly.

So see if your print dialog lets you select "booklet" mode for printing.
It is probably listed as a property of the printer (i.e., you get the
print dialog, select the printer, and then go look at the properties for
that printer). I don't bother with Adobe Reader. I use PDF-Xchange
Viewer. In its own print dialog, it has a Duplex option but that's just
for double-sided whole page printing. I have to go into the properties
for the printer under its two-sided printing options to enable Book mode
for output (1 whole document page occupies half a printed sheet).

 

[David H. Lipman]

From: "VanguardLH" <[email protected]>

My HP printer's driver lets me do booklet or tablet printing. That
takes a page and prints them on half of the sheet in the proper order so
that I can fold the sheets in half and staple them together. However,
that scheme assumes a WHOLE page in the doc resides within half of a
page in the printed output on one side of a sheet - but that sounds like
what you want. My printer does automatic duplex printing, your's
doesn't, so half-way through the print job you'll be extracting,
flipping around, and reinserting the paper and this can get tricky since
you have to "flip around" correctly.

HP PCL6 driver ?

 

[VanguardLH]

From: "VanguardLH" <[email protected]>



HP PCL6 driver ?

Whatever software package HP provides for their Deskjet 970cse printer.

 

[dinoz]

If the page numbers are footers contained within the document, the
printer won't be able to undo that. When you look at the .pdf file, are
there already page numbers at the bottom of each page in a footer
section?

I didn't quite follow your table on page numbering. If there are 4
double-side sheets that have 2 columns on each side, there would be 16
pages, as in (the ":" represent where the sheet gets folded in half):

Sheet 1, front Sheet 1, back
_____________._____________ _____________._____________
| _________ : _________ | | _________ : _________ |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | page 16 | : | page 1 | | | | page 2 | : | page 15 | |
| |_________| : |_________| | | |_________| : |_________| |
|_____________:_____________| |_____________:_____________|


Sheet 2, front Sheet 2, back
_____________._____________ _____________._____________
| _________ : _________ | | _________ : _________ |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | page 14 | : | page 3 | | | | page 4 | : | page 13 | |
| |_________| : |_________| | | |_________| : |_________| |
|_____________:_____________| |_____________:_____________|

Sheet 3, front Sheet 3, back
_____________._____________ _____________._____________
| _________ : _________ | | _________ : _________ |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | page 12 | : | page 5 | | | | page 6 | : | page 11 | |
| |_________| : |_________| | | |_________| : |_________| |
|_____________:_____________| |_____________:_____________|

Sheet 4, front Sheet 4, back
_____________._____________ _____________._____________
| _________ : _________ | | _________ : _________ |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | | : | | | | | | : | | |
| | page 10 | : | page 7 | | | | page 8 | : | page 9 | |
| |_________| : |_________| | | |_________| : |_________| |
|_____________:_____________| |_____________:_____________|

Here I'm assuming you'll be stapling the brochure in the middle and want
to read it like a book. You take the last sheet, fold it in half (so
pages 8 & 9 face each other), fold the next to last sheet in half and
slide it over the previously folded page, and continue back to the first
sheet which is folded in half and slid over last.

The printer driver obviously can't do that. You want the pages to be
very much jumbled out of their lineal order in the document. While a
word processor might have this type of brochure printing, it won't be in
a printer driver.

My HP printer's driver lets me do booklet or tablet printing. That
takes a page and prints them on half of the sheet in the proper order so
that I can fold the sheets in half and staple them together. However,
that scheme assumes a WHOLE page in the doc resides within half of a
page in the printed output on one side of a sheet - but that sounds like
what you want. My printer does automatic duplex printing, your's
doesn't, so half-way through the print job you'll be extracting,
flipping around, and reinserting the paper and this can get tricky since
you have to "flip around" correctly.

So see if your print dialog lets you select "booklet" mode for printing.
It is probably listed as a property of the printer (i.e., you get the
print dialog, select the printer, and then go look at the properties for
that printer). I don't bother with Adobe Reader. I use PDF-Xchange
Viewer. In its own print dialog, it has a Duplex option but that's just
for double-sided whole page printing. I have to go into the properties
for the printer under its two-sided printing options to enable Book mode
for output (1 whole document page occupies half a printed sheet).

----------------------

yes, your sample is correct. Problem is that PDF already have prenumbered
pages, and two pages on each sheet.
I can edit page numbers in Foxit PDF Editor, but this not enough anyway, as
I need to have one page per sheet in order to prepare brochure correctly.
And this possible only in Word processor. So in my case there is no way to
make brochure, perhaps convert into Word doc and edit from Word.

Regards,

 

[VanguardLH]

----------------------

yes, your sample is correct. Problem is that PDF already have prenumbered
pages, and two pages on each sheet.
I can edit page numbers in Foxit PDF Editor, but this not enough anyway, as
I need to have one page per sheet in order to prepare brochure correctly.
And this possible only in Word processor. So in my case there is no way to
make brochure, perhaps convert into Word doc and edit from Word.

Regards,

The printer will only understand "pages" as were sent to it. It would
be deciphering the content within a page to see that it was columnar
formatting (2 columns) to emulate the presence of 2 pages within 1 page.

Get the original content used before the .pdf file was built to then
design it the way you want for the print output you want. If you don't
have the original content then I'm assuming you are trying to steal
someone else's content to use as your own. When they constructed the
..pdf content, they wanted 2 pages per sheet for their own use. They
weren't designing it for your use. If you do have the original content
then you'll need the appropriate editor (Acrobat, Word, whatever) to
produce the .pdf file or print output the way you want.

 

[jonjack56]

Adobe Reader and Adobe Acrobat let you print double-sided if your printer supports that feature. The printer driver controls the options, not Adobe Acrobat, or Adobe Reader. Check your printer documentation to see what features your printer supports