Powerman 400w PSU?

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tomdodge

Will this psu made by Powerman be sufficient for A64 3200+ 512kb (s754)
on ASUS K8V SE Deluxe with two 256mb, one WD hdd, DVD-rom, and floppy
drive with 3 fans cooling the PC case?


Here is the details on Powerman 400w psu:

FSP400-GN
MaxOutput: 400 watt

+3.3v=28A
+5v=40A
+12v=16A
+5VSB=2A
 
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Wes Newell

Will this psu made by Powerman be sufficient for A64 3200+ 512kb (s754)
on ASUS K8V SE Deluxe with two 256mb, one WD hdd, DVD-rom, and floppy
drive with 3 fans cooling the PC case?
It might, but I wouldn't buy it when you can get a 600W that's sure to
work for $18.
 
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Derek Baker

Wes Newell said:
It might, but I wouldn't buy it when you can get a 600W that's sure to
work for $18.


Here we go again: Don't buy cheap crap, such as that which Wes recommends.
 
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General Schvantzkoph

Will this psu made by Powerman be sufficient for A64 3200+ 512kb (s754)
on ASUS K8V SE Deluxe with two 256mb, one WD hdd, DVD-rom, and floppy
drive with 3 fans cooling the PC case?


Here is the details on Powerman 400w psu:

FSP400-GN
MaxOutput: 400 watt

+3.3v=28A
+5v=40A
+12v=16A
+5VSB=2A
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-5v=0.3A
-12v=0.8A
----------------

Fuse Rating: 10A,250v

----------------

+3.3A & +5v = 235 w MAX

TIA!

It should be adequate but if I were you I'd go with a somewhat bigger
supply to give you room for future expansion. Also I've never heard of
Powerman so I don't know if they are any good or not. I've been using
Enermax supplies and they've all been very reliable. I'd put an Enermax
465W supply in that system if I were you. And I second Derek's advice
about ignoring Wes's suggestion that you use a cheap supply. Using a cheap
supply is penny wise and pound foolish. The power supply is one place
where it pays to overkill the problem, power supply problems are hard to
diagnose it's better to put in a decent supply in the first place rather
then try to figure our why your system is flaky.
 
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Derek Baker

General Schvantzkoph said:
It should be adequate but if I were you I'd go with a somewhat bigger
supply to give you room for future expansion. Also I've never heard of
Powerman so I don't know if they are any good or not. I've been using
Enermax supplies and they've all been very reliable. I'd put an Enermax
465W supply in that system if I were you. And I second Derek's advice
about ignoring Wes's suggestion that you use a cheap supply. Using a cheap
supply is penny wise and pound foolish.

Are you British, or do they use that expression in the US?
 
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Derek Baker

General Schvantzkoph said:
It should be adequate but if I were you I'd go with a somewhat bigger
supply to give you room for future expansion. Also I've never heard of
Powerman so I don't know if they are any good or not. I've been using
Enermax supplies and they've all been very reliable. I'd put an Enermax
465W supply in that system if I were you. And I second Derek's advice
about ignoring Wes's suggestion that you use a cheap supply. Using a cheap
supply is penny wise and pound foolish. The power supply is one place
where it pays to overkill the problem, power supply problems are hard to
diagnose it's better to put in a decent supply in the first place rather
then try to figure our why your system is flaky.

I'm on Seasonic at the moment - S12-430 - but I was happy with my Antec
before I got the quiet computing bug.
 
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General Schvantzkoph

Using a
Are you British, or do they use that expression in the US?

The expression goes back to Ben Franklin, at the time he said it we were
still using pounds. The expression penny wise dollar foolish doesn't roll
off of the tongue as easily, that's why we still say pound foolish.
 
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Wes Newell

Here we go again: Don't buy cheap crap, such as that which Wes recommends.

I never recommend buying cheap crap. I recommend buying quality cheap.
Price does not insure quality or performance. I think Intel has proven
that on several occasions. I believe that was also proven with the Antec
PSU problems with some AMD systems a while back. I'm now at the 1.5 year
mark with the cheap 600W I bought for my Athlon 64 system, still running
fine. Both cheap in price PSU's I bought for both my K7 systems in 2001
are still running fine. And even the cheap PSU I bought for an old Novell
server back in 1995 is still running fine, And so are more than 90% of the
several hundred I've used in the last 12 years. I've offered this as proof
before. You offered nothing to disprove it other than cheap is crap. So
according to your analogy, AMD CPU's are crap too because they were so
much cheaper than Intels. Now I'm sure everyone here will agree with you
on that too.:)

Now if you want to wear designer clothes to protect you from the sun,
that's fine with me, but cheap clothes from Malaysia will do the same. But
wait, the designer clothes are made in the same place, just with a
different label. Tha's another fact. Designer shirt at $100 dollars. Same
shirt with no name label $10. Get smart, and I'm not talking about Maxwell.
 
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General Schvantzkoph

I never recommend buying cheap crap. I recommend buying quality cheap.
Price does not insure quality or performance. I think Intel has proven
that on several occasions. I believe that was also proven with the Antec
PSU problems with some AMD systems a while back. I'm now at the 1.5 year
mark with the cheap 600W I bought for my Athlon 64 system, still running
fine. Both cheap in price PSU's I bought for both my K7 systems in 2001
are still running fine. And even the cheap PSU I bought for an old Novell
server back in 1995 is still running fine, And so are more than 90% of the
several hundred I've used in the last 12 years. I've offered this as proof
before. You offered nothing to disprove it other than cheap is crap. So
according to your analogy, AMD CPU's are crap too because they were so
much cheaper than Intels. Now I'm sure everyone here will agree with you
on that too.:)

Now if you want to wear designer clothes to protect you from the sun,
that's fine with me, but cheap clothes from Malaysia will do the same. But
wait, the designer clothes are made in the same place, just with a
different label. Tha's another fact. Designer shirt at $100 dollars. Same
shirt with no name label $10. Get smart, and I'm not talking about Maxwell.

Wes, how do you tell if a cheap power supply is any good? The problem with
buying a no-name supply is just that, it's no name, nobody stands behind
it and if it's a piece of crap no company's reputation will be sullied. I
don't doubt that you've been able to buy many cheap supplies over the
years that are just fine. The problem for the average consumer is that
there is no way for them to know if a particular cheap supply is any good.
The price of branded supplies is low enough that there is no reason to
take a chance. Saving $50 isn't worth it if it's going to cost you even 20
minutes of your time down the road.
 
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Derek Baker

Wes Newell said:
I never recommend buying cheap crap. I recommend buying quality cheap.
Price does not insure quality or performance. I think Intel has proven
that on several occasions. I believe that was also proven with the Antec
PSU problems with some AMD systems a while back. I'm now at the 1.5 year
mark with the cheap 600W I bought for my Athlon 64 system, still running
fine. Both cheap in price PSU's I bought for both my K7 systems in 2001
are still running fine. And even the cheap PSU I bought for an old Novell
server back in 1995 is still running fine, And so are more than 90% of the
several hundred I've used in the last 12 years. I've offered this as proof
before. You offered nothing to disprove it other than cheap is crap. So
according to your analogy, AMD CPU's are crap too because they were so
much cheaper than Intels. Now I'm sure everyone here will agree with you
on that too.:)

I have AMD.

The difference is that even when AMD were cheaper they weren't several times
cheaper.

Q-Tec 650 watt £19.95:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Q_Tec_139.html

Seasonic S12 430 watt - which is what I have - £49.95
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Seasonic.html

You really think the Q-Tec is as good as the Seasonic, offering more 50%
more power at 40% the price?
Now if you want to wear designer clothes to protect you from the sun,
that's fine with me, but cheap clothes from Malaysia will do the same. But
wait, the designer clothes are made in the same place, just with a
different label. Tha's another fact. Designer shirt at $100 dollars. Same
shirt with no name label $10. Get smart, and I'm not talking about
Maxwell.

The difference is if the clothes fail they won't be a danger to any other
parts of my clothing ;)
 
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Wes Newell

Wes, how do you tell if a cheap power supply is any good? The problem with
buying a no-name supply is just that, it's no name, nobody stands behind
it and if it's a piece of crap no company's reputation will be sullied. I
don't doubt that you've been able to buy many cheap supplies over the
years that are just fine. The problem for the average consumer is that
there is no way for them to know if a particular cheap supply is any good.
The price of branded supplies is low enough that there is no reason to
take a chance. Saving $50 isn't worth it if it's going to cost you even 20
minutes of your time down the road.

When it comes to PSU's, I just read the labels. Not just the 600W part,
but the amount of current each rail will handle, and then compare that to
the 600w to see if they are about the same. I have seen one or two that
claimed high wattage and then when you added up the per rail wattage it
was 200W or more less. Obviously one should shy away from such a PSU. Once
I have found a good no name brand, I try to stay with it next time. When I
was buying for work, I bought all the same brand from the same distributor
for years, with the exception of one time I bought 10 really cheap ($2
each) ones. 2 of those failed within the first 60 days, but the rest are
still running OK afaik. That was about 5 years ago. Didn't buy any more
like that though. When my old 400W PSU that came in a case I bought
wouldn't power up my A64 system, I ordered 3 cheap PSU's for a total of
less than $50 and then tested them all in my A64 system. They all
worked under load. I left the 600W in, and put the other 2 in the closet
where one still sits. The other I gave to my brother when he upgraded from
a Duron to AN XP cpu and he only had a 250W. The original 400W had no
label other than a piece of paper with 400W on it. It's still running my
K7 system today and is about 4 years old. And just as I do with ram, I
always buy a PSU that's rated a lot higher than what I really need. So if
it's a little weak, so what. At todays price of $18 for a 600W PSU, why
would I care if it only puts out 550W or even 500W considering what a name
brand 500W PSU cost. And it's very possible the store name one and the
Name brand one were made at the same place. There's also a lot of name
brand PSU's that won't really reach there max rating. More than one might
think too. But most, just like the cheap PSU's, will at least come close
to it.

A quote from a recent PSU review at tomshardware.

"But even today, the no-name product market is showing the way. Dealers in
our comparative shopping segment tgstores are already offering power
supplies for as little as 17 bucks. For that you get a solid 300 watts,
which is enough for most PC systems and mandatory warranty provisions."
 
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Wes Newell

I have AMD.

The difference is that even when AMD were cheaper they weren't several times
cheaper.
At one point in time, it cost several times the price of an AMD to achieve
the same performance with an Intel.
Q-Tec 650 watt £19.95:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Q_Tec_139.html

Seasonic S12 430 watt - which is what I have - £49.95
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Seasonic.html

You really think the Q-Tec is as good as the Seasonic, offering more 50%
more power at 40% the price?
Even if it only offered the same 430W, it would still be a better buy from
the limited info on the links you gave. These links didn't provide
specific rail info however, so i wouldn't buy either without researching
that, and since I'm not in the market for a PSU, I'll leave that to you.
The Q-Tec is AMD aproved though and I didn't see AMD approved on the
Seasonic on your links.
 
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dawg

12V rail is too low. Normal is 18A.But I would get at least 20A+ on 12V. New
power supplies are offereing 2 12V rails at 18A plus sata hd connections.
Go over to newegg.com and look at power supplies.They've got a PS for every
conceivable budget and power requirement.
 

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