Poor Webmaster Personal Sites

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ah, the olde; sell it first, build it later mentality...my EX-partner was one of them - i hope he's swimming with the phishes now.


Bob Lehmann said:
4. Marketeting people
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phhhtttt! Excuse me for a moment while I clean my monitor.

"Marketeting" people are Webmasters as much as they are Automotive
Engineers.
"Uh, yeah - I'm from marketing, and I think the horsepower could be
increased in the new model by <insert stupid, clueless suggestion here>."

"Marketeting" people are the ones who are totally clueless and say things
like...
"It is not acceptable that the Session cannot be kept alive without making a
trip back to the Server." and
"What's the problem? Can't you just put an If... Then in there?"

You're probably just like this dumbass Sals Manager where I work.
We had an extremely complex install going on that was going to take almost 3
hours. He wanted to demo the site for the customer, before they left town in
a half hour. When told how long it would be, he informed us that these were
very important customers, and there *must* be a way to "make it happen".

Sorry, but Sales & Marketing people are pretty much idiots about everything
except Sales & Marketing. Kinda like the commercial where the 2 consultants
tell the boss that they don't actually implement the suggestions they are
making.

Bob Lehmann
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What's really funny, is now this jerk is complaining that we have failed to
deliver, on time - meaning our original timeline - after the customer has
deluged us with Change Requests and new features.

To make it worse, he tried to motivate us by telling us that the customer's
executives' bonuses would be affected by us not delivering on time - sheesh!
Uh, yeah, I'm working 70+ plus hours a week already, and now you want me to
work more so some executard, and you, can make more money??

This guy is a total CMA (Cover My Ass) kind of guy - gee, I did my part,
what's the problem? - with absolutely no technical background - grrrrrr.

Bob Lehmann

in message ah, the olde; sell it first, build it later mentality...my EX-partner was
one of them - i hope he's swimming with the phishes now.


Bob Lehmann said:
4. Marketeting people
Click to expand...
phhhtttt! Excuse me for a moment while I clean my monitor.

"Marketeting" people are Webmasters as much as they are Automotive
Engineers.
"Uh, yeah - I'm from marketing, and I think the horsepower could be
increased in the new model by <insert stupid, clueless suggestion here>."

"Marketeting" people are the ones who are totally clueless and say things
like...
"It is not acceptable that the Session cannot be kept alive without making a
trip back to the Server." and
"What's the problem? Can't you just put an If... Then in there?"

You're probably just like this dumbass Sals Manager where I work.
We had an extremely complex install going on that was going to take almost 3
hours. He wanted to demo the site for the customer, before they left town in
a half hour. When told how long it would be, he informed us that these were
very important customers, and there *must* be a way to "make it happen".

Sorry, but Sales & Marketing people are pretty much idiots about everything
except Sales & Marketing. Kinda like the commercial where the 2 consultants
tell the boss that they don't actually implement the suggestions they are
making.

Bob Lehmann
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But I don't hold myself out to be a web designer. I've been forced to hack
it out myself because I can't find anyone I would hire or even felt they
were good enough to refer business to. I wish I could find someone because a
lot of Realtors I train are asking for websites and some have big bucks to
spend. I've found these SEO guy's are full of it too. They promise to put
your site in the top ten but they can't get their own site anywhere close.
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I've designed sites for 3 realtors - every one of them much better than
the crap you "hacked" out.

It appears you never looked very hard or you would have found many
people that could do the job better than you.

And I have no interest in designing for you. You would be a nightmare
to work with.
 
Change Orders are a pain in the butt, especially if some executard is pandering to the client...you gotta know when to say..whoa..this is gonna change the delivery time...and btw...sign here, and here....a n d here. You do know that Changes are billable right?...on yah, sign here too.


Bob Lehmann said:
What's really funny, is now this jerk is complaining that we have failed to
deliver, on time - meaning our original timeline - after the customer has
deluged us with Change Requests and new features.

To make it worse, he tried to motivate us by telling us that the customer's
executives' bonuses would be affected by us not delivering on time - sheesh!
Uh, yeah, I'm working 70+ plus hours a week already, and now you want me to
work more so some executard, and you, can make more money??

This guy is a total CMA (Cover My Ass) kind of guy - gee, I did my part,
what's the problem? - with absolutely no technical background - grrrrrr.

Bob Lehmann

in message ah, the olde; sell it first, build it later mentality...my EX-partner was
one of them - i hope he's swimming with the phishes now.
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Bob said:
programming on the backend? I'll take that bet any day.

See, now you're qualifying what you said earlier
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Come on. You replied to what I said, and I was talking about coding.
Do you know of any program that *could* create amazon.com, all on its own,
without any backend programming?
God, you're stupid! Are you some kind of Sales & Marketing 'tard?
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Heh. No, I've been a techie for a long time, and have been a techie-for-pay
since 1995 (since 1989 if you count my desktop publishing work, but that's
technical work of a different nature, and I don't count it).

--
JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / (e-mail address removed) / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED

"The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
--New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"
 
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Stephen Horrillo wrote:

[snip]
[...] Being that Microsoft is the standard, why not mimic
the XP colors and style Microsoft uses? [...] [snip]
BTW I'm also a hypnotherapist so I know from experience people are
predominantly visual and known to respond well to the XP choice of colors.
MS sites seem to invoke a sense of relaxation and trust. Not that I do trust
MS, but their sites give me that sort of feeling.
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What? XP only allows one choice of colours?

On Windows 98 I can go to "Start" > "Settings" > "Control Panel" >
"Display" > "Appearance" and change the colours of almost *everything*
on the screen. For a while I had to because I had such a dim monitor that
nothing was visible or readable without bright colours. When I got my new
(for me, it was second hand) monitor about three weeks ago I nearly had to
wear sunglasses to look at my screen. Now I no longer have to lighten
images with an image editor to see them.

Or do you mean that 99% of the users never figure out how to change the
default settings?

Norman "who uses Lynx most of the time" De Forest
 
It is true it is that large but there is a javascript on teh page that is
loading images (the slideshow) on the fly - not all at once.

In your opinion, how can I do this differetnly and maintain the feel of the
site?
 
Stephen said:
There's something that's been bothering me and I hope it's not taken the
wrong way. Why is it that the Web Designers on these groups have such
amateurish personal (and professional) websites. They sound so knowledgeable
in what they say but most sites look like a 10 year old designed them. Is it
because they're working so hard on other people's sites they neglect their
own? Sort of like the gourmet chef that eats TV dinner when he gets home
from work. I've known some maids and house cleaners whose home's were as
dirty as can be. Is it that sort of syndrome of are these people just full
of it?
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i dont have one as such. i prefer word of mouth and i hate the phrase 'networking'.

"cobbler's bairns are worst shod"

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liquidcat dot net
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Bob Lehmann said:
programming on the backend? I'll take that bet any day.
FP could do the programming on the backend - ASP, PHP, PERL. But, if you are
talking about Database creation and management, Compiled binary Services
(dlls), used by the web app and other such periphery, then *NO* program can,
or should, beable to do that.
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Visual Studio .NET can.!!

You can also write scripts with FrontPage using the VBsript or javascript editors.

;-)

--
Steve Easton
Microsoft MVP FrontPage
95isalive
This site is best viewed............
........................with a computer
 
It is true it is that large but there is a javascript on teh page
that is loading images (the slideshow) on the fly - not all at
once.
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But they still are all downloaded. The slide show wasn't the problem.
Without js, a visitor still gets to see them. There are hundreds of
lines of JavaScript on the page, for that slideshow.
In your opinion, how can I do this differetnly and maintain the
feel of the site?
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Get rid of the JavaScript-only menu - use regular HTML links - and
make that massive music download a link (with size of file noted) so
that a visitor has a choice.

Your band images are a bit large, and could be optimized into files
probably half the current size, too.
 
Steve,

I'm on your side but, Visual Studio only connects to some of the
applications doing the heavy lifting - SQL Server.

John is still an idiot, though, suggesting that a single program can do it
all.

Bob Lehmann
 
Come on. You replied to what I said, and I was talking about coding.
Yes, but I didn't modify or qualify anything you said.
I've been a techie for a long time,
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blah, blah, blah... And I've been sitting down to poop since I was 1 year
old.

Now please explain how any single program can recreate amazon.com without
doing any backend programming. I mean, the inference you created when you
said FP couldn't do it, was that there was some magical tool that could.

Bob Lehmann
 
John is still an idiot
Whoops! I , meant Steve (Sobol). John's the dumbass in asp.general.

Bob Lehmann
 
There are those who would say you are still off - javacsript is not
programming it's scripting. C++ is a program. JS is just a scripting
language, as is the ActionScript in Flash.
 
Yeah, like I'm really worried about missing a job opportunity working for
someone who would take a sentence out of context and/or support a dumbass
like Steve Sobol's position.

That's the problem with you altards - You can't even get that the jist of
the statement was that Steve's blah, blah I have x years experience blah,
blah, blah is about as relevant to his stupid amazon.com remark - which he
has still not defended - as my bathroom skills claim is.
thank you for sharing that image :)
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You're welcome. Perhaps, someday, you and your alt.* buddies may also be
able to master those fundamental life skills.

Bob Lehmann
 

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