Poor Webmaster Personal Sites

  • Thread starter Thread starter Stephen Horrillo
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I'd offer to give you some advice, but I don't believe
you'll take it because you think we all suck.

My portfolio isn't online at stevesobol.com right now because I'm
revamping my
personal website, but perhaps you could look at a couple sites I've
designed:

http://www.spiritualcare.org/ (one of my all time favorites) ;)

http://www.justthe.net/ (It's ok, needs to be reworked, but I think it
looks
pretty good)

The only major thing about these sites is that they probably won't pass a
HTML
validator test, but I've gotten more anal about stuff like that on the
projects
I'm currently doing.
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Never said you all sucked. Just your home pages. I like spiritualcare.org.
Flash on the other hand looks impressive but I wonder how many are blocking
it being that most adverts are now in Flash.

--
Warmest regards,

Stephen Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
For MLS & Computer Training: http://www.BrokerAgentTraining.com
Realtors Earn Over 100% at EXIT: http://www.over100percent.com
 
There's something that's been bothering me and I hope it's not taken
the wrong way. Why is it that the Web Designers on these groups have
such amateurish personal (and professional) websites. They sound so
knowledgeable in what they say but most sites look like a 10 year old
designed them. Is it because they're working so hard on other people's
sites they neglect their own?
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Some people who design/maintain websites for a living want to make a site
where the aim is not to sell anything at all and will deliberately do
things that will prevent that such as not updating the layout for years.

Others just get annoyed that the people who always seem to give advice
never produce anything themselves.

Thanks.
 
So.. check out the sites I gave you, tell me what you think... am I worth
hiring? (Be brutal. I can handle it)
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There's nothing about the Church site that turns me off, but there was
nothing that compelled me to read on either. But I guess that's more the
fault of the one who provided the content. I'm a sucker for blue so I liked
the look however.

--
Warmest regards,

Stephen Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
For MLS & Computer Training: http://www.BrokerAgentTraining.com
Realtors Earn Over 100% at EXIT: http://www.over100percent.com
 
Ben said:
Hmm... would that purpose be banner ads, pop-unders and pop-ups then?
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The free sharing and spreading of information....Much as I loathe popup
adverts, I understand that Matt has bills to pay and a family to feed,
just like the rest of us, and as such, he's just trying to earn a living....
 
Stephen said:
To survive a nuclear Holocaust?
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That was one of the design criteria when the original model was thought
up, but it was a criteria put in place to protect the primary goal which
was the rapid exchange of information....Of course, when it became
de-militarised, that exchange of information changed to represent the
free sharing of information and knowledge....
 
Hmm... would that purpose be banner ads, pop-unders and pop-ups then?
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The adverts pay for the site. It's a business. People don't want
ad-free information they pay for directly through subscriptions, they
would rather have free information with adverts - like commercial
television versus the license fee debate here in the UK.

Matt
 
Once upon a time, far far away "Stephen Horrillo"
Yours is pretty good. Just sorry I clicked on that werewolf ad! :)
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You and me both. We use agencies to supply advertising, and some of
the advertisers are not quite as scrupulous as we should like.

Matt
 
Matt Probert wrote
The adverts pay for the site. It's a business. People don't want
ad-free information they pay for directly through subscriptions, they
would rather have free information with adverts - like commercial
television versus the license fee debate here in the UK.
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With more people blocking pop-ups and banners, have you noticed a downturn
in advertising revenue?

Does your advertising supplier, supply text ads? Might be the way to go
for them.
 
It's not an attractive site. But for Matt, that's okay because he's going for
functionality, and not attractiveness, as he pointed out earlier.
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The great depression, for me, however is that while the site was
originally created to provide information for journalists, with
cross-references and in-depth research facilities, the vast majority
of readers are only interested in celebrity pictures. It saddens me.

Matt
 
Charles Sweeney wrote
With more people blocking pop-ups and banners
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I have noticed more advertisers using Flash for banners. Is this to get
around the banner blockers?
 
phhhtttt! Excuse me for a moment while I clean my monitor.

"Marketeting" people are Webmasters as much as they are Automotive
Engineers.
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Yes, thank you. We established you are prat first time round, you
don't need to keep telling us.

Matt
 
Some people who design/maintain websites for a living want to make a site ^^^^^^^^^^^^
where the aim is not to sell anything at all and will deliberately do
things that will prevent that such as not updating the layout for years.
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Or their attitude may be similar to that of my barracks roommate when I
was stationed it RCAF 3 Fighter Wing in Zweibrücken, Germany. He was a
meteorlogical observer working in the weather office there. One day, I
came into barracks and greeted him with, "Good morning. It's a nice day,
isn't it?" His response was, "Shut up. I don't feel like talking shop."

Norman "definitely not a ``web designer''" De Forest
 
I don't think my personal site is ugly, but I've made no attempt to make
it appeal visually to anyone other than myself, and its primary purpose is

to load damn fast.
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Potential customers will judge you by any and all websites you attribute to
yourself. Most won't ask why it's that way for obvious reasons.

--
Warmest regards,

Stephen Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
For MLS & Computer Training: http://www.BrokerAgentTraining.com
Realtors Earn Over 100% at EXIT: http://www.over100percent.com
 
Sorry, but Sales & Marketing people are pretty much idiots about
everything
except Sales & Marketing. Kinda like the commercial where the 2
consultants
tell the boss that they don't actually implement the suggestions they are
making.
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I've been in sales all my life so when I look at a website those are the
eyes I'm looking from. Where do you think your paycheck comes from? If the
site doesn't financially pull it's weight it's useless. Web Designers get
away with murder in this respect. A website probably has the lowest return
on investment than anything on Earth!

--
Warmest regards,

Stephen Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
For MLS & Computer Training: http://www.BrokerAgentTraining.com
Realtors Earn Over 100% at EXIT: http://www.over100percent.com
 
Stephen Horrillo wrote
Potential customers will judge you by any and all websites you
attribute to yourself.
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Then don't put your personal site in your portfolio. The potential
customer won't see it, and won't judge you on it.
 
Matt Probert wrote


With more people blocking pop-ups and banners, have you noticed a downturn
in advertising revenue?
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No. Actually very few people block pop-ups, banners and the like.
Perhaps a high proportion of techies do, but in the real world very
few Joe Public does. When they do, the site will become uneconomical
and close, like any other business. But I can't see that. People put
up with adverts on pay-to-view TV for heaven's sake!


Matt
 
Charles Sweeney wrote


I have noticed more advertisers using Flash for banners. Is this to get
around the banner blockers?
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They have a higher CTR. Banner blocking is very easy, but I shant
publicise how to do it <g> (tease tease). Suffice to say using Flash
wont help.

Matt
 

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