aka@ said:$65 for XP Pro. Sounds pretty fishy to me.
From the web site:
"For all international orders, export, and distribution please contact
our sales force at:
800-800-8300
or
1-305-415-2201"
IOW, no online orders.
Plus:
" TigerDirect.com currently ONLY accepts international payment via wire
transfers. International credit cards and checks are not accepted. Note:
Wire transfer orders may be subject to an additional processing fee."
Do you have any idea how much an international wire transfer costs? Not
only that, they add an undisclosed fee.
Um, you haven't found any. Like I said, and you just proved, there are
no stores in the USA who will sell you XP online, unless you want to
trust a fishy web site like oem-software.org. Did you get that address
from one of your email spams?
aka@ said:It's much more civilised than the USA, I assure you.
Only for a price. Gosh, you're ignorant of what happens outside the USA.
And that support would consist of what? Stop avoiding the question.
What a bargain is is not a scientific thing but a value judgment. YOUR
value judgment is comparing it to other OSs.
Where did you get that from?
Leythos said:Only if you consider paying people to not harm you as being civilized.
Only of you consider screwing your customers as civilized (since they,
according to you, don't provide you with support like other OEM's do).
Call Dell or HP or IBM or any other vendor that has support and check
for yourself. If you can't imagine what OS support would consist of then
you should step out of the thread.
A bargain is based on relatives - your ability to afford it is based on
its cost and similar products costs. It has nothing to do with how much
money you have.
You were the one that suggested the poor people stealing product would
be called thieves by some and would be fine by you, so, it would stand
to reason that you approve of poor people stealing what they need from
those that have it.
You said in another article, case you don't remember:
I see the money and resources that Microsoft pump into
anti-piracy -
activation, etc, and I wonder if perhaps there is a far easier
way for them
to stamp out the appeal of pirate copies of XP. Why not
simply lower the
cost for personal use, perhaps even allow install on multiple
home PC's?
Let's face it, the primary reason that people turn to pirate
versions is the
cost - in Australia $479 for a copy of XP Pro is RRP, and
considering that's
$479 per PC what does a family with 2 or 3 computers choose,
full legal
versions or much cheaper pirated copies? The software alone
ends up costing
more than the damn computer, and that's just to get the
basics!!
Now, if MS were to strip away all the fancy packaging,
manuals, etc and just
pump out a CD with the user guide on the disc, I'm sure that
would help
reduce the cost, and if they then sold XP Pro or Home for
strictly personal
use at say $50, with the ability to install that on 5
computers (providing
all were based at the same address and strictly personal), how
many would
choose to risk using a pirate copy? I'd say that the number
of pirated
versions would drop dramatically if this was done, as who
wouldn't jump at
the chance to have a fully legal copy on ALL of their home
computers for
around $50, or even less??
Does this idea make any sense to others? I know MS need to
recover their
costs, etc, but given the extent they are going to to try and
get rid of
pirated versions, and given the number of pirated versions out
there,
wouldn't it be far better for them to just cut the cost and
then end up
selling heaps more copies????
OK - ready for the shoot down!! Or, if you agree - perhaps
forward onto Mr
Gates???? ;-)
aka@ said:I rarely plonk people but I will make an exception with you. You are
only interested in attacking the persona and not addressing the issues
or content.
Leythos said:Nope, it was and is simple, OEM Windows XP Prof is about $140/$149 and
comes with support from the OEM. This cost is cheaper than some OS's
on the market if you purchase a 'support' provided version. There are
more Windows OEM's on the market than WalMart and there are plenty of
them that DO provide support. This means your argument is pure BS and
meaningless to this thread, as is normal from you.
ANONYMOUS said:If there was a 100% solution to piracy then most probably the software
company would go out of business!!
We know of Lotus 1-2-3 which had one of the best ways (relative to
that time period) to protect its intellectual properties but look
what has happened to it! M$ came and started distributing software
for almost nothing. Now there is no competion so Microsoft can
invent new ways to force people to buy multiple licenses when they
are not actually needed and charge whatever it wants.
This is life in a free democracy!
Leythos said:What utter BS. I addressed the issue that was presented, you kept and
continue making excuses and nothing except excuses. You keep
suggesting that Piracy is OK if the pirates are poor, that we should
accept theft from poor people - you made those assertions, not me.
I stated that Windows XP Prof, at $140/$149 is a good buy when you
compare it to others of it's type on the market - you've been unable
to dispute that with anything that indicates I'm wrong.
What you've said, several times, is that people should be able to COPY
(steal) anything they can't afford.
I accept your plonk, since you feel the need to hide from your own
"theft is good if you're poor" statements.
YOU ARE TOTAL SCUM! YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO YOUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS!
Leythos said:Coming from you, I take that as a complement. If you had thought I
was a good person I would be worried.
Of course you had to cut out my explanation for why you are scum and a
traitor to your fellow human beings, so I added back the context that
you tried to hide from!
Leythos said:I didn't hide from it - since it was off-topic, as most of your
messages, I just snipped it down to the part where you honored me.
kurttrail said:Can you name ONE software company that has been put out of business due
to piracy?
Lowering the price will not change anything with piracy.
Price is simply another excuse thieves use to justify their stealing.
Thieves will steal at any price.
They would just need another excuse.
Jupiter said:You said "I have no agenda other than defending my fellow human
beings..." But Kurt, I don't believe it anymore since you hope people
you know nothing about and have never met starve and dehydrate.
Or perhaps you do care about their computers but nothing of peoples
physical well being.
"Never say never. And treat with suspicion those that say it"
Does that mean "never" is always false, usually false or sometimes
false?
For you, I will repeat:
I do not hate anyone and never will.
And never is a very long time.
Whether you believe it or not is irrelevant, it is true just the same.
You have to make assumptions to think I hate you or anyone else and
your assumptions are wrong.
Your assumption that I hate you is only in your imagination.
Thieves will steal because it is what thieves do.
Stealing is part of their character.
Lowering prices of windows will not change their character.
The solution for the thieves stealing is far beyond price.
Deal with their character instead of enabling them with another
excuse of price.
The right conditions have very little to do with price.
Or can you demonstrate people with the means to buy do not steal?
I have no need or desire to hate anyone.
Your apparent need to see hate in others may be indicative of your own
issues.
After all you are the one throwing personal attacks and insults at
others both directly and on your website.
That can be a strong indicator of hate.
Very few others need to attack and insult as you do.
Boo Hoo! said:Once you stop looking for hate, you may start seeing what is actually
there.
Plato said:There may be lots of little one-man outfits that stopped producing
ware due to nobody registering and/or people copying/distributing.
It'd be almost impossible to find those fellas now tho.
It was on the topic of Piracy, and MS's hypocritical stand, and your
betrayal of the human race, due to you siding with the known and proven
IP criminals, and blaming those that haven't been proven to have done
ANYTHING wrong!
Can you name ONE software company that has been put out of business due
to piracy?
Can you name ONE person that has EVER been found guilty of casual
copying of software?
If you cannot do either, then casual copy piracy is just the FUD of the
colluding members of the BSA. It's a god-damned fairy tale! And all
you are is the scumbag troll under the FUD bridge of the colluding
members of the BSA!
So shove that sideways up your ass, LameGirl! You are just an
anti-human being scumbag!
Leythos said:Yea, sanctimonious BS, you're good at that. I don't believe that
anyone violating the licensing agreements of any vendor has a "right"
to do so, not even for personal use.
In all the documents you've
presented,
I've never seen anything in those documents to support
your personal belief that people can use multiple copies installed on
machines with the same license against the vendors licensing
agreement. Keep trying, I'm not seeing it in anything you post - the
documents you post clearly indicate that persons are limited to the
vendors licensing agreement.
I've seen small vendors that make shareware, and applications that
only cost $3, disappear after more than a year. Specific names, no, it
happens all the time.
Now, ask yourself this - what business of it is yours? Piracy is
Piracy and cuts into the Profits of the vendor,
why is it ethical to
SUPPORT piracy?
No, the "people"
that I know have always settled or been fired as a
result of it, so there were no official court cases.
In their defense,
it was cheaper for them to pay a fine, license the software, or be
fired, rather than pay court/atty costs.
Yep, and the world is really flat too.
Just because no one has been
arrested for pealing oranges in a hotel room on Sunday in Phoenix does
not mean that the law can't be enforced.
Just because YOU FEEL that
it's FUD doesn't make it FUD, but you keep trying, it makes you look
good in the eyes of the pirates.
Nice way to end your post, as immature as usual, and as long as you
dislike me I must be doing it right and honorably - thanks.
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