Piracy Solution?

[Frank]

And they compare to a product like windows, excactly how?

Alias:
Avast & Grisoft are lower priced then windows, but they are no compare
to windows xp if you ask me.

Openoffice is opensource, which is a different business model. Not a
fear comparision if you ask me, since companies supporting/dev
opensource don't have it as there main product/moneymachine, but use it
to sell other products or individuals who do it for free.And come on,
if you are pointing to opensource program because they are 'free', then
our discussion ends here. Same counts for mozilla.

R. McCarty:
ZoneAlarm is $70 us dollar, sure that is not overpriced then.
CDBurner Pro is some hobby project, and I can't see why I can compare a
product like this with a major product like windows xp. There isn't
even I business behind this program I gues.

Opera, a product that was full of banners and ads, basicly unusable for
most and now is free and without banners(because they might covered
there costs or saw that there was no other way and this is there last).
Not open-source, you are getting close... but how I copare this to a
product like windows?

It supprises me that you guys didn't come up with a linux
distribution....

*> So... can you please name the corporations that don't sell overprices
*> software according to your mindset, because now you made me
*> interested.....

You are doing a lot of gee and haw, in my opinion

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

See the quote and you will see what "That" refers.
But in case you did not read my post, some is quoted below:
"I have no agenda other than defending my fellow human beings..."
The above statement used to be somewhat believable but no longer is.
Why? Because "you hoped people you know nothing about and have never met
starve and dehydrate."
I would never hope the above on anyone including you.
And yet you hope for such atrocities and think I am full of hate?

Your assumptions about hate and myself are incorrect.
I do not hate anyone and never will.
And never is a very long time.

I am also not pessimistic, more proof you do not know me.
More assumptions on your part to serve nothing more than your own agenda.

If there is any hate, it comes from you often.

 

[Leythos]

Well no. You are comparing Red Hat with Support to Windows XP OEM with
out support. Windows XP with support is nearly $300!

Not true, Windows XP OEM is sold all the time for $149 with OEM support.
Most OEM's don't charge for it, many of the big shops like Dell offer
support for X months at no additional cost, although they do offer
upgraded support for a cost.

And quite frankly, MS's Indian support isn't worth the aggravation!
People should be paid to use it!

That was not part of the discussion - and is typical of your
diversionary methods (that fail).

 

[kurttrail]

See the quote and you will see what "That" refers.

See proper grammar. The use of a pronoun comes after the thing it is
meant to refer.

But in case you did not read my post, some is quoted below:
"I have no agenda other than defending my fellow human beings..."
The above statement used to be somewhat believable but no longer is.
Why? Because "you hoped people you know nothing about and have never
met starve and dehydrate."

Still makes no sense. What do you mean?

I would never hope the above on anyone including you.

I've been dehydrated, and have been in a position that I didn't eat for
a few days.

And yet you hope for such atrocities and think I am full of hate?
Huh?

Your assumptions about hate and myself are incorrect.

So you say. You are full of hate. You hate people, and you hate me.

I do not hate anyone and never will.

Total Bullsh*t. Your actions, and your hate-filled words speak volumes
for you.

And never is a very long time.

Never say never. And treat with suspicion those that say it.

I am also not pessimistic, more proof you do not know me.

Sure you are. You think that people would pirate software no matter the
economic situation is. That is totally pessimistic.

An optimist would say that many people would cease to pirate software if
the conditions were right.

More assumptions on your part to serve nothing more than your own
agenda.

LOL! The only person you are fooling is yourself, Juppy. Your hate and
your pessimism is written on your sleeve for all to see.

If there is any hate, it comes from you often.

ROFL! Whatever.

Another physical manifestion of your hate, Juppy. You hate my sig,
therefore you x-out what you hate. ;-)

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
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"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[kurttrail]

Not true, Windows XP OEM is sold all the time for $149 with OEM
support.

LOL! Tell that to WalMart, or most of the on-line e-tailers that sell
WinXP OEM!

Most OEM's don't charge for it, many of the big shops like
Dell offer support for X months at no additional cost, although they
do offer upgraded support for a cost.


That was not part of the discussion - and is typical of your
diversionary methods (that fail).

MS support sucks, and if you can understand the Indian on the line, they
spend most of the time trying to blame your hardware or another piece of
software. MS support, which would be most comparible to Red Hat
support, since the manufacturers of the software would be providing the
support, sucks! This is no diversion, it is comparing apples to apples.

Not like you, comparing support of a OEM software seller to that of the
actual software manufacturer. Apples to Oranges.

I think my point is quite made to those that have an open mind.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Leythos]

I think my point is quite made to those that have an open mind.

Your point is never made, it's always slightly off kilter.

 

[kurttrail]

Your point is never made, it's always slightly off kilter.

Said the color-blind man that compares the color of apples to that of
oranges.

--
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Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
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http://microscum.com/mscommunity
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei"

 

[Leythos]

Said the color-blind man that compares the color of apples to that of
oranges.

Nope, it was and is simple, OEM Windows XP Prof is about $140/$149 and
comes with support from the OEM. This cost is cheaper than some OS's on
the market if you purchase a 'support' provided version. There are more
Windows OEM's on the market than WalMart and there are plenty of them
that DO provide support. This means your argument is pure BS and
meaningless to this thread, as is normal from you.

 

[Alias]

Nope, it was and is simple, OEM Windows XP Prof is about $140/$149 and
comes with support from the OEM. This cost is cheaper than some OS's on
the market if you purchase a 'support' provided version. There are more
Windows OEM's on the market than WalMart and there are plenty of them
that DO provide support. This means your argument is pure BS and
meaningless to this thread, as is normal from you.

In Spain, OEM Windows XP Pro is anywhere from 154 to 168 US Dollars. The
stores that sell them give no support whatsoever and neither does
Microsoft. I really wish you would remember that this is an
international newsgroup, not us.microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

In Spain, OEM Windows XP Pro is anywhere from 154 to 168 US Dollars. The
stores that sell them give no support whatsoever and neither does
Microsoft. I really wish you would remember that this is an
international newsgroup, not us.microsoft.public.windowsxp.general.

I do know it's an international group, and the OEM is still responsible
for providing support, even if they don't. Maybe you should understand a
little more about OEM before you post next time.

Sorry, this is an english group, as there is nothing to indicate that
it's anything else. If you want to indicate something other than US you
should include something in your reply/topic to indicate so.

That doesn't change the FACT that OEM's provide the support for OEM
products - and that MANY OEM's DO provide support. You just happen to
buy from one that doesn't, which was YOUR choice.

 

[Alias]

I do know it's an international group, and the OEM is still responsible
for providing support, even if they don't. Maybe you should understand a
little more about OEM before you post next time.

Being patronizing are we?

Sorry, this is an english group, as there is nothing to indicate that
it's anything else. If you want to indicate something other than US you
should include something in your reply/topic to indicate so.

Are you saying that the only people in the world that speak, read and
understand English are in the USA? Just because the group is in English
doesn't mean that it isn't international or read by English speaking
people who don't live in the USA.

That doesn't change the FACT that OEM's provide the support for OEM
products - and that MANY OEM's DO provide support. You just happen to
buy from one that doesn't, which was YOUR choice.

Um, reread what I wrote. I said that NO stores that sell OEMs give
support, not just the stores I frequent. Very few stores sell full
retail and an upgrade retail XP Home will cost you USD 353.

Fortunately, we have computer experts like you on these newsgroups for
support ...

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Are you saying that the only people in the world that speak, read and
understand English are in the USA? Just because the group is in English
doesn't mean that it isn't international or read by English speaking
people who don't live in the USA.
Duh.


Um, reread what I wrote. I said that NO stores that sell OEMs give
support, not just the stores I frequent. Very few stores sell full
retail and an upgrade retail XP Home will cost you USD 353.

I guess that you could say "that sucks for you" then. Microsoft sells
OEM software to "OEM's" at a reduced price and they sell it at a reduced
price to you (most) and it's been made clear to the OEM's that they are
the ones responsible for supporting it.

So, again, restating the obvious, YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO PURCHASE FROM
AN OEM THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE SUPPORT. You could purchase OEM from outside
your area (online) or you could find another OEM.

Nothing you've said changes that fact that OEM's are responsible for
providing support for OEM software. Nothing you've said changes that
fact that many OEM's do provide reasonable support for their customers
that purchase OEM software.

Nothing you've said changes the fact that Windows XP Prof OEM at $140~
149 is still a bargain when you look at the cost of Apple OS/X or any
version of Linux with vendor support.

Fortunately, we have computer experts like you on these newsgroups for
support ...

Which has nothing to do with the cost or OEM status of the product.
Windows is still a bargain.

 

[Alias]

Duh.

Glad you understand.

I guess that you could say "that sucks for you" then. Microsoft sells
OEM software to "OEM's" at a reduced price and they sell it at a reduced
price to you (most) and it's been made clear to the OEM's that they are
the ones responsible for supporting it.

So, again, restating the obvious, YOU MADE THE CHOICE TO PURCHASE FROM
AN OEM THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE SUPPORT. You could purchase OEM from outside
your area (online) or you could find another OEM.

Online? Really? You know an online store that sells OEMs and delivers to
Spain? Which one? How much for the shipping?

Nothing you've said changes that fact that OEM's are responsible for
providing support for OEM software. Nothing you've said changes that
fact that many OEM's do provide reasonable support for their customers
that purchase OEM software.

Just curious, how do you define this support they are supposed to give?
What are the required to do, tell you how to play Hearts? How to
reinstall? What?

Nothing you've said changes the fact that Windows XP Prof OEM at $140~
149 is still a bargain when you look at the cost of Apple OS/X or any
version of Linux with vendor support.

Not the price in Spain as I already pointed out.

Which has nothing to do with the cost or OEM status of the product.

It has to do with support.

Windows is still a bargain.

Only if 140 bucks is not much to you. To some people, that's more than
they can afford and they used to use a copy of 98 and now they use a
copy of XP. You would call them thieves. I would call them "poor".

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Glad you understand.

Online? Really? You know an online store that sells OEMs and delivers to
Spain? Which one? How much for the shipping?

I see places that provide outside US delivery all the time on the web. I
don't specifically pay attention to them as we don't work with anyone in
Spain, so I have just as much a chance of finding an OEM copy for sale
as you do - look, start with google in case you are not sure where to
start.

Just curious, how do you define this support they are supposed to give?
What are the required to do, tell you how to play Hearts? How to
reinstall? What?

I don't define support, that's up to the OEM to determine what level of
Support they provide their purchasers. It's up to you, the purchaser, to
determine if the level of support is worth the discounted price you pay.

Not the price in Spain as I already pointed out.

Are you saying the other OS's are cheaper or more expensive? Not that I
really care, but I don't understand your statement based on my prior
post.

It has to do with support.


Only if 140 bucks is not much to you. To some people, that's more than
they can afford and they used to use a copy of 98 and now they use a
copy of XP. You would call them thieves. I would call them "poor".

The cost has nothing to do with what one can afford or not, it is
relative to the other available products in the same class/range.

Being poor has nothing to do with the product price being a bargain, it
doesn't play into this thread at all - unless you want to divert the
discussion to another area.

 

[Alias]

I see places that provide outside US delivery all the time on the web. I
don't specifically pay attention to them as we don't work with anyone in
Spain, so I have just as much a chance of finding an OEM copy for sale
as you do - look, start with google in case you are not sure where to
start.

You said I could buy online. I have already searched with Google and
found nothing except "only available in the US and Canada". Care to back
up your statement or just fluff it off on me?

I say there are no reputable online stores in the USA that will ship to
Spain. If you disagree, prove it.

Alias

 

[Alias]

I don't define support, that's up to the OEM to determine what level of
Support they provide their purchasers. It's up to you, the purchaser, to
determine if the level of support is worth the discounted price you pay.

Give me one example of how an OEM can support a purchaser of a generic
OEM XP. Can you do it? We all know you can't get your money back once
you've opened the package. Please be specific if you can.

The cost has nothing to do with what one can afford or not, it is
relative to the other available products in the same class/range.

You say it's a bargain. I say it is only a bargain for people who don't
think $140 is much money.

Being poor has nothing to do with the product price being a bargain, it
doesn't play into this thread at all - unless you want to divert the
discussion to another area.

See above.

Alias

 

[Leythos]

Give me one example of how an OEM can support a purchaser of a generic
OEM XP. Can you do it? We all know you can't get your money back once
you've opened the package. Please be specific if you can.

I find it strange that you don't have computer stores, don't have mom-
pop shops that provide computers/software, don't have any large retail
type businesses that provide services - I thought spain was part of the
world. Any place that provides OEM Windows XP can provide any level of
service they decided they want to provide. There are two companies in my
local area, mom-pop shops that provide OEM XP Prof for $140 and they
also provide support for customers. You also have Dell as a major OEM
that provides support for Windows purchased with their computers.

If your local area is too backwards to provide support then it could be
that people in your area are just gullible enough to purchase something
without any support.

You say it's a bargain. I say it is only a bargain for people who don't
think $140 is much money.

Sorry, but again, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PURCHASING POWER OF THE
INDIVIDUAL, it's about cost relative to other solutions in the same
area.

Are you suggesting that Poor people should be able to enter your home
and take anything they need, just because you are richer than they are?

 

[Leythos]

You said I could buy online. I have already searched with Google and
found nothing except "only available in the US and Canada". Care to back
up your statement or just fluff it off on me?

I say there are no reputable online stores in the USA that will ship to
Spain. If you disagree, prove it.

It took about 1 minute to find this one online, and you can download it
instead of shipping it:
http://www.oem-software.org

TigerDirect states that you can contact them for International Shipping,
still under 1 minute to find it:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/help/international.asp

I'm sure that if you didn't just want to argue that you could find some
place online to sell OEM software to you.

 

[Alias]

It took about 1 minute to find this one online, and you can download it
instead of shipping it:
http://www.oem-software.org

$65 for XP Pro. Sounds pretty fishy to me.

TigerDirect states that you can contact them for International Shipping,
still under 1 minute to find it:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/help/international.asp

From the web site:

"For all international orders, export, and distribution please contact
our sales force at:

800-800-8300
or
1-305-415-2201"

IOW, no online orders.

Plus:

" TigerDirect.com currently ONLY accepts international payment via wire
transfers. International credit cards and checks are not accepted. Note:
Wire transfer orders may be subject to an additional processing fee."

Do you have any idea how much an international wire transfer costs? Not
only that, they add an undisclosed fee.

I'm sure that if you didn't just want to argue that you could find some
place online to sell OEM software to you.

Um, you haven't found any. Like I said, and you just proved, there are
no stores in the USA who will sell you XP online, unless you want to
trust a fishy web site like oem-software.org. Did you get that address
from one of your email spams?

Alias

 

[Alias]

I find it strange that you don't have computer stores, don't have mom-
pop shops that provide computers/software, don't have any large retail
type businesses that provide services - I thought spain was part of the
world.

It's much more civilised than the USA, I assure you.

Any place that provides OEM Windows XP can provide any level of
service they decided they want to provide. There are two companies in my
local area, mom-pop shops that provide OEM XP Prof for $140 and they
also provide support for customers. You also have Dell as a major OEM
that provides support for Windows purchased with their computers.

Only for a price. Gosh, you're ignorant of what happens outside the USA.

If your local area is too backwards to provide support then it could be
that people in your area are just gullible enough to purchase something
without any support.

And that support would consist of what? Stop avoiding the question.

Sorry, but again, it has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PURCHASING POWER OF THE
INDIVIDUAL, it's about cost relative to other solutions in the same
area.

What a bargain is is not a scientific thing but a value judgment. YOUR
value judgment is comparing it to other OSs.

Are you suggesting that Poor people should be able to enter your home
and take anything they need, just because you are richer than they are?

Where did you get that from?

Alias