Piracy Solution?

[Alias]

MS charges exactly what the market will bear in order to maximize
profits. In other words, if they charge a fee higher or lower than the
fees you see now their profits would decrease.

What "market"? MS pretty much holds a monopoly of the "market" and
*that* is why they can charge so much. If a user friendly OS were to
appear for $25, you would see MS lowering their prices so fast it would
make your head spin and they would still continue to make obscene
profits. WPA and WGA do absolutely nothing to stem commercial piracy and
very little to stem "casual piracy". It does, however, serve to trick
paying customers into buying Windows more times than they need to and,
due to the WPA and WGA inherent flaws, causes many paying, legitimate
customers to pull their hair out and curse MS when WPA or WGA doesn't
work properly.

Alias

 

[erik]

Microsoft Windows XP Home OEM costs around 100 euro or less when you
buy it together with a pc and around 170 euro or less for a oem version
of xp pro. Which is not expensive at all, if you buy a video card these
days you are already at 70 euros for a basic one. The Software is a
part that you need to let the pc operatem, just like your ram,
harddisk, etc.

I don't got a clue why you are talking about home users and are refer
to XP Pro prices, while XP Home is more then enough for most users.
There are not many home users or even none that run a domain server at
home or are really in the need of any of the XP Pro functionality.

Ohw, wait you probaly run a pirated windows which are mostly XP Pro
(those xp corporate disks)?

People are willing to spend large amounts of money on the hardware
part, but not on the software because there is a way to copy it. If you
could copy hardware, there would be a lot of hardware piracy now.

The retail box full version of Windows XP Home costs 299,- euro, the
upgrade costs 129,- euro. XP Pro upgrade costs 299 and XP Pro full is
499. So if you own a windows 98 machine at the moment, you buy a xp
home upgrade, which is 129 euros. That's too expensive? come on, if you
upgrade your harddisk, upgrade your videocard, etc. those prices cost
the same or are even higher...

I don't think a $50,- windows for all home pc's is the answer, that
will give Microsoft an way too big ROI. Building an operating system
like windows xp isn't cheap, it's not something you do with 2 people in
a year time. The pricing scheme for the full retail boxes might be a
bit high, but that are not the ones that are getting sold the most.
Most people get windows either true OEM or upgrade box.

Btw. If you look at windows as a 3 year product, then the oem version
is even cheap comparing to the price you pay for 3 years of norton
antivirus or mcafee. Microsoft windows is in no way overpriced, but I
don't stop them while they want to make it cheaper =)

 

[kurttrail]

Microsoft Windows XP Home OEM costs around 100 euro or less when you
buy it together with a pc and around 170 euro or less for a oem
version of xp pro. Which is not expensive at all, if you buy a video
card these days you are already at 70 euros for a basic one. The
Software is a part that you need to let the pc operatem, just like
your ram, harddisk, etc.

I don't got a clue why you are talking about home users and are refer
to XP Pro prices, while XP Home is more then enough for most users.
There are not many home users or even none that run a domain server at
home or are really in the need of any of the XP Pro functionality.

Ohw, wait you probaly run a pirated windows which are mostly XP Pro
(those xp corporate disks)?

People are willing to spend large amounts of money on the hardware
part, but not on the software because there is a way to copy it. If
you could copy hardware, there would be a lot of hardware piracy now.

The retail box full version of Windows XP Home costs 299,- euro, the
upgrade costs 129,- euro. XP Pro upgrade costs 299 and XP Pro full is
499. So if you own a windows 98 machine at the moment, you buy a xp
home upgrade, which is 129 euros. That's too expensive? come on, if
you upgrade your harddisk, upgrade your videocard, etc. those prices
cost the same or are even higher...

I don't think a $50,- windows for all home pc's is the answer, that
will give Microsoft an way too big ROI. Building an operating system
like windows xp isn't cheap, it's not something you do with 2 people
in a year time. The pricing scheme for the full retail boxes might be
a bit high, but that are not the ones that are getting sold the most.
Most people get windows either true OEM or upgrade box.

Btw. If you look at windows as a 3 year product, then the oem version
is even cheap comparing to the price you pay for 3 years of norton
antivirus or mcafee. Microsoft windows is in no way overpriced, but I
don't stop them while they want to make it cheaper =)

LOL! MS software is overpriced, and so is Symantec software.

All of the colluding members of the BSA have overpriced software, just
like the colluding members of the RIAA have overpriced music CDs!

MS's margin on Windows is about the same as oil companies, and organized
crime!

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[erik]

So... can you please name the corporations that don't sell overprices
software according to your mindset, because now you made me
interested.....

 

[Alias]

So... can you please name the corporations that don't sell overprices
software according to your mindset, because now you made me
interested.....

http://www.openoffice.org/ for one.

http://www.avast.com/ for another.

http://www.grisoft.com for yet another.

And, there's always http://www.mozilla.org/

Enough?

Alias

 

[R. McCarty]

Also Free & helpful:
Opera 8.50
Zone Alarm 6
CDBurnerXP Pro

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

That Kurt used to be somewhat believable.
That is until you hoped people you know nothing about and have never met
starve and dehydrate.
At that point it became more clear your crusade was of your hate for
Microsoft and little or nothing about people and their rights.

 

[erik]

And they compare to a product like windows, excactly how?

Alias:
Avast & Grisoft are lower priced then windows, but they are no compare
to windows xp if you ask me.

Openoffice is opensource, which is a different business model. Not a
fear comparision if you ask me, since companies supporting/dev
opensource don't have it as there main product/moneymachine, but use it
to sell other products or individuals who do it for free.And come on,
if you are pointing to opensource program because they are 'free', then
our discussion ends here. Same counts for mozilla.

R. McCarty:
ZoneAlarm is $70 us dollar, sure that is not overpriced then.
CDBurner Pro is some hobby project, and I can't see why I can compare a
product like this with a major product like windows xp. There isn't
even I business behind this program I gues.

Opera, a product that was full of banners and ads, basicly unusable for
most and now is free and without banners(because they might covered
there costs or saw that there was no other way and this is there last).
Not open-source, you are getting close... but how I copare this to a
product like windows?

It supprises me that you guys didn't come up with a linux
distribution....

 

[Alias]

And they compare to a product like windows, excactly how?

Alias:
Avast & Grisoft are lower priced then windows, but they are no compare
to windows xp if you ask me.

You didn't ask that we compare anything to Windows. You wrote, and I quote:

"So... can you please name the corporations that don't sell overprices
software according to your mindset, because now you made me
interested....."

You said "software", not OS software.

Openoffice is opensource, which is a different business model. Not a
fear comparision if you ask me, since companies supporting/dev
opensource don't have it as there main product/moneymachine, but use it
to sell other products or individuals who do it for free.

Um, whole countries and US States have adopted Open Office in lieu of MS
Office.

And come on,

if you are pointing to opensource program because they are 'free', then
our discussion ends here.

Why? You have something against "free"?

Same counts for mozilla.

R. McCarty:
ZoneAlarm is $70 us dollar, sure that is not overpriced then.

There is a free version.

CDBurner Pro is some hobby project, and I can't see why I can compare a
product like this with a major product like windows xp. There isn't
even I business behind this program I gues.

Opera, a product that was full of banners and ads, basicly unusable for
most and now is free and without banners(because they might covered
there costs or saw that there was no other way and this is there last).

Not any more. It's free now without any advertising.

Not open-source, you are getting close... but how I copare this to a
product like windows?

It supprises me that you guys didn't come up with a linux
distribution....

Yeah, that's cheaper too. Care to name an OS that is more expensive than
XP?

Alias

 

[Leythos]

And they compare to a product like windows, excactly how?

If you want a fair comparison you need to look at other Operating
Systems:

Cost of Apple's OS/X
Cost of RedHat Linux WITH SUPPORT
Cost of HPUX
Cost of other FREE OS's with the Cost of SUPPORT, provided they support
near the same level of devices/hardware as XP does.

Windows XP Prof, at $140 OEM, is actually cheap.

 

[erik]

I have nothing against free, but there is simply no business model
behind free icecream.

Ok, so i've should have put operating system software there...

"Um, whole countries and US States have adopted Open Office in lieu of
MS Office. "
Since when are US States and whole countries corporations that are
highly dependend on creating office products to make profit.

Zonealarm free is only a basic firewall and they make profit on the
other zonealarm suites they provide which are expensive ones. ranging
from 30 to 70 i see, which is not that cheap coparing to 100 for an OS
that is overpriced.

"> Opera, a product that was full of banners and ads, basicly unusable
for

most and now is free and without banners(because they might covered
there costs or saw that there was no other way and this is there last).

Not any more. It's free now without any advertising."

Read agian please.

"Yeah, that's cheaper too. Care to name an OS that is more expensive
than XP?"

Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS (For technical workstation and single unit
desktops/clients including software development, power desktop,
targeted client applications, and High Performance Computing (HPC).
according to the redhat site).

basic edition $180

windows xp home oem $99,-
windows xp pro oem $140,-

Anyway

 

[Alias]

I have nothing against free, but there is simply no business model
behind free icecream.

Ok, so i've should have put operating system software there...

Backpedaling? You didn't.

"Um, whole countries and US States have adopted Open Office in lieu of
MS Office. "
Since when are US States and whole countries corporations that are
highly dependend on creating office products to make profit.

What's profit go to do with it. The OP was talking about personal use,
yaknow, like at home?

Zonealarm free is only a basic firewall and they make profit on the
other zonealarm suites they provide which are expensive ones. ranging
from 30 to 70 i see, which is not that cheap coparing to 100 for an OS
that is overpriced.

I use Sygate

"> Opera, a product that was full of banners and ads, basicly unusable
for



Not any more. It's free now without any advertising."

Read agian please.

"Yeah, that's cheaper too. Care to name an OS that is more expensive
than XP?"

You didn't ask that until you got caught with your pants down.

Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS (For technical workstation and single unit
desktops/clients including software development, power desktop,
targeted client applications, and High Performance Computing (HPC).
according to the redhat site).

basic edition $180

windows xp home oem $99,-
windows xp pro oem $140,-

Anyway

And how many people are buy Red Hat Enterprise Linux for their personal
computers, besides Leythos?

Let's take marijuana. With the exception of Holland, it's all "pirated".
If it were to become legal, every pirate would be out of business from
one day to the next.

Now, if we can only do something about MS being a pirate and stealing an
OS from Apple ...

Alias

 

[erik]

large scale growing of marijuana is not legal in holland. You still get
a great income from selling and growing large scale marijuana over
here, only problem is that you still can get busted.

A software company, which has as main target creating wonderfull
software, is all in this game to make profit. A service company, which
has as main target delivery of service, makes profit true a piece of
software which they want as cheap as possible, they don't make any
profit on that part. It's all about profit, but I gues you work for
free.

But anyway, I am backpadeling here with my pants down.. if that
satisfy's you.

I must say I got deep respect for the MVP's that get this crap daily
and are able to just ignore it and help out people that need it.

goodbye.

 

[Alias]

large scale growing of marijuana is not legal in holland. You still get
a great income from selling and growing large scale marijuana over
here, only problem is that you still can get busted.

A software company, which has as main target creating wonderfull
software, is all in this game to make profit. A service company, which
has as main target delivery of service, makes profit true a piece of
software which they want as cheap as possible, they don't make any
profit on that part. It's all about profit, but I gues you work for
free.

But anyway, I am backpadeling here with my pants down.. if that
satisfy's you.

I must say I got deep respect for the MVP's that get this crap daily
and are able to just ignore it and help out people that need it.

goodbye.

Bye, bye.

Alias

 

[kurttrail]

That Kurt used to be somewhat believable.

To what are you refering to as "That?"

That is until you hoped people you know nothing about and have never
met starve and dehydrate.

Again, what is "That" refering to, and what does "That" have to do with
starving and dehydrating?

At that point it became more clear your crusade was of your hate for
Microsoft and little or nothing about people and their rights.

LOL! Hate! Coming from you that characterizes civil infringement with
the crime of theft! Coming from you who doesn't take into account the
economic conditions of people where software piracy is most prevelant!
Coming from you who is so pessimistic!

OMG! You are so full of it! "It" refers to "HATE!"

ROFL!

See your hate is demonstrated by your actions. If you weren't movitated
by hate, you'd have no reason to continually rape my sig.

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[kurttrail]

So... can you please name the corporations that don't sell overprices
software according to your mindset, because now you made me
interested.....

I have no problem with corporations making a profit, but when they
collude in industry trade organizations, like the RIAA, MPAA, and the
BSA, to me those are immoral, and should be made illegal, unfortunately
we have a gov't bought and paid for by such corporate organizations.

Capitalism is broken again, to a point where competition doesn't
restrain corporation who are in collusion with each other at the expense
of consumers. The BSA is just one small example of this.

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[kurttrail]

If you want a fair comparison you need to look at other Operating
Systems:

Cost of Apple's OS/X
Cost of RedHat Linux WITH SUPPORT
Cost of HPUX
Cost of other FREE OS's with the Cost of SUPPORT, provided they
support near the same level of devices/hardware as XP does.

Windows XP Prof, at $140 OEM, is actually cheap.

Well no. You are comparing Red Hat with Support to Windows XP OEM with
out support. Windows XP with support is nearly $300!

And quite frankly, MS's Indian support isn't worth the aggravation!
People should be paid to use it!

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[kurttrail]

I have nothing against free, but there is simply no business model
behind free icecream.

Ok, so i've should have put operating system software there...

"Um, whole countries and US States have adopted Open Office in lieu of
MS Office. "
Since when are US States and whole countries corporations that are
highly dependend on creating office products to make profit.

Zonealarm free is only a basic firewall and they make profit on the
other zonealarm suites they provide which are expensive ones. ranging
from 30 to 70 i see, which is not that cheap coparing to 100 for an OS
that is overpriced.

"> Opera, a product that was full of banners and ads, basicly unusable
for

Not any more. It's free now without any advertising."

Read agian please.

"Yeah, that's cheaper too. Care to name an OS that is more expensive
than XP?"

Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS (For technical workstation and single unit
desktops/clients including software development, power desktop,
targeted client applications, and High Performance Computing (HPC).
according to the redhat site).

basic edition $180

windows xp home oem $99,-
windows xp pro oem $140,-

Anyway

Enterprise! ROFL! I see you just aren't being serious, but thanks for
the laugh!

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[kurttrail]

large scale growing of marijuana is not legal in holland. You still
get a great income from selling and growing large scale marijuana over
here, only problem is that you still can get busted.

A software company, which has as main target creating wonderfull
software, is all in this game to make profit. A service company, which
has as main target delivery of service, makes profit true a piece of
software which they want as cheap as possible, they don't make any
profit on that part. It's all about profit, but I gues you work for
free.

But anyway, I am backpadeling here with my pants down.. if that
satisfy's you.

I must say I got deep respect for the MVP's that get this crap daily
and are able to just ignore it and help out people that need it.

LOL! I would suspect that their are quite a few MVPs that agree with
the basic point the Windows is overpriced, and has such arbitrary rules,
that MS has created much of the demand for pirated MS products.

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[Frank]

http://www.openoffice.org/ for one.

http://www.avast.com/ for another.

http://www.grisoft.com for yet another.

And, there's always http://www.mozilla.org/

Enough?

Alias

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