Paxville spanked.

[daytripper]

Either link is fine, I guess. Related articles, I'd say.


Well, I don't know, about Paxville specifically, but he was generically
talking about Intel Dual Core Xeons leading AMD Dual Core Opterons by
2006. Paxville could make it into 2006, I suppose. Maybe he expects
frequencies of Paxville to increase high enough for it to be competitive
with Opteron?

Yousuf Khan

I'll personally be surprised if you ever see another drop-in replacement for
Nocona/Irwindale - dual core or otherwise. Paxville is simply a boutique part,
a mid-life kicker for Lindenhurst-based boards, with limited market potential
from the jump.

The Intel server world is moving on to Blackford.

And Netburst is still dead...

/daytripper

 

[George Macdonald]

Well, apparently this is what Dell (the man, but probably also the
company) thinks about it:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27122

I find that article somewhat misleading - Mikey is talking about 65nm
(Cedar Mill, Presler ?) being the Opteron-beater and Intel has apprently
tuned the strained silicon porcess at 65nm so that it's more than just a
die-shrink. It may be that Intel/Dell will have to wait for the P-M
derived dual-cores to get "competitive", assuming they can, but The
Inquirer does appear to be going off half-cocked by usng Paxville to make
their case.

 

[Del Cecchi]

I find that article somewhat misleading - Mikey is talking about 65nm
(Cedar Mill, Presler ?) being the Opteron-beater and Intel has apprently
tuned the strained silicon porcess at 65nm so that it's more than just a
die-shrink. It may be that Intel/Dell will have to wait for the P-M
derived dual-cores to get "competitive", assuming they can, but The
Inquirer does appear to be going off half-cocked by usng Paxville to make
their case.

Anybody that thinks or ever thought moving a design from 90 nm to 65 nm
in anybody's process is a "die shrink" in the classic sense needs to be
sent to a circuit design re-education camp.

 

[George Macdonald]

Anybody that thinks or ever thought moving a design from 90 nm to 65 nm
in anybody's process is a "die shrink" in the classic sense needs to be
sent to a circuit design re-education camp.

Of course "classic sense" would be historical and dealing with larger
dimensions. All I meant was that the indication is that Intel did more
than what was necessary to reduce from 90nm to 65nm.

I still think the article was half-cocked in that, based on a 90nm
dual-core performance, it was criticising Dell for predicting Intel would
do better at 65nm.

 

[EdG]

Of course "classic sense" would be historical and dealing with larger
dimensions. All I meant was that the indication is that Intel did more
than what was necessary to reduce from 90nm to 65nm.

I still think the article was half-cocked in that, based on a 90nm
dual-core performance, it was criticising Dell for predicting Intel would
do better at 65nm.

No matter how grim things look for DELL with an Intel only line-up their
never going to say anything bad about Intel in the press, if they did
they'd be selling A64s and Opterons today, and not because they wanted
to. ;p

 

[George Macdonald]

No matter how grim things look for DELL with an Intel only line-up their
never going to say anything bad about Intel in the press, if they did
they'd be selling A64s and Opterons today, and not because they wanted
to. ;p

Well I see that, as well as F1, AMD has now hooked up as technology
advisor/supplier to NASCAR so Dell/Intel missed that one - could be a big
one. Dunno if you saw the kefuffle about Intel potentially hooking up with
McLaren F1 - turns out that the week-end the announcement was to be made,
at Monza a few weeks ago, the day before, the FIA announced it had struck a
technology partnership with AMD. The story goes that Intel was
"incandescent with rage", cancelled the announcement and nothing more has
been said, so it looks like the Intel/McLaren deal is up in smoke.

 

[EdG]

Well I see that, as well as F1, AMD has now hooked up as technology
advisor/supplier to NASCAR so Dell/Intel missed that one - could be a big
one.

Big one..., ya same thing I was thinking, and I wouldn't mind having a
Nascar PC, well maybe just the case with the Nascar trimmings. ;p

Dunno if you saw the kefuffle about Intel potentially hooking up with
McLaren F1 - turns out that the week-end the announcement was to be made,
at Monza a few weeks ago, the day before, the FIA announced it had struck a
technology partnership with AMD. The story goes that Intel was
"incandescent with rage", cancelled the announcement and nothing more has
been said, so it looks like the Intel/McLaren deal is up in smoke.

Nope I missed that soap opera, nice to see Intel get a slap in the face,
they deserve it. Opteron has been out for what... 2 years now and that
newest Xeon looks terrible if GamePC benchmarks scores/power are
correct. I don't know how DELL can stand it, betting on Intel to match
or best Opteron after waiting 4 years? Sounds crazy, but DELL did say
their customers aren't asking for Opteron, so I guess they'll be just
fine and dandy for the next year or two pushing what ever Intel gives
them.

In the Super Computer world AMD still has a long way to go to catch
Intel, but I was surprised to see AMD above CRAY.
http://www.top500.org/sublist/stats/index.php?list=25&type=procfam&submit=Generate+Table

Ed

 

[EdG]

I don't know how DELL can stand it, betting on Intel to match
or best Opteron after waiting 4 years? Sounds crazy, but DELL did say

Never mind, Mickey D set me straight....

"Intel takes a very definitive lead in performance and power management
at 65 nanometers," Dell said. "If we thought AMD was going to be
supercompetitive in the spring and fall of next year, we'd be
introducing AMD products right now."

Dell: Dual-Core Xeons Will Win
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,123142,00.asp

 

[YKhan]

Well I see that, as well as F1, AMD has now hooked up as technology
advisor/supplier to NASCAR so Dell/Intel missed that one - could be a big
one. Dunno if you saw the kefuffle about Intel potentially hooking up with
McLaren F1 - turns out that the week-end the announcement was to be made,
at Monza a few weeks ago, the day before, the FIA announced it had struck a
technology partnership with AMD. The story goes that Intel was
"incandescent with rage", cancelled the announcement and nothing more has
been said, so it looks like the Intel/McLaren deal is up in smoke.

And FIA just announced intentions to redesign the rear wing layout of
the F1 cars in 2008. Wonder if the configuration was arrived at after
simulations on the AMD computers they got?

http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/news_story.asp?ID=140770

Yousuf Khan

 

[YKhan]

In the Super Computer world AMD still has a long way to go to catch
Intel, but I was surprised to see AMD above CRAY.
http://www.top500.org/sublist/stats/index.php?list=25&type=procfam&submit=Generate+Table

Ed

Yeah, but some of those AMD supercomputers are from Cray. The listing
for Cray must be about their own proprietary processors.

Yousuf Khan

 

[Scott Alfter]

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Never mind, Mickey D set me straight....

"Intel takes a very definitive lead in performance and power management
at 65 nanometers," Dell said. "If we thought AMD was going to be
supercompetitive in the spring and fall of next year, we'd be
introducing AMD products right now."

Looks like Steve Jobs isn't the only one with a Reality Distortion Field.

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[keith]

Well I see that, as well as F1, AMD has now hooked up as technology
advisor/supplier to NASCAR so Dell/Intel missed that one - could be a big
one. Dunno if you saw the kefuffle about Intel potentially hooking up with
McLaren F1 - turns out that the week-end the announcement was to be made,
at Monza a few weeks ago, the day before, the FIA announced it had struck a
technology partnership with AMD. The story goes that Intel was
"incandescent with rage", cancelled the announcement and nothing more has
been said, so it looks like the Intel/McLaren deal is up in smoke.

It's been an amazing ride with Intel's engineering having been eclipsed
for several years, but who wudda thunk AMD could do in Intel's
marketeering department? ;-) CNBC aside, Intel *doesn't* get it.

 

[George Macdonald]

Big one..., ya same thing I was thinking, and I wouldn't mind having a
Nascar PC, well maybe just the case with the Nascar trimmings. ;p


Nope I missed that soap opera, nice to see Intel get a slap in the face,
they deserve it. Opteron has been out for what... 2 years now and that
newest Xeon looks terrible if GamePC benchmarks scores/power are
correct. I don't know how DELL can stand it, betting on Intel to match
or best Opteron after waiting 4 years? Sounds crazy, but DELL did say
their customers aren't asking for Opteron, so I guess they'll be just
fine and dandy for the next year or two pushing what ever Intel gives
them.

Well I'm sure you heard, a few months ago, about the Dell "under the
counter" Opteron builds for err, customers who had "requested". I guess
they're not all stupid.

In the Super Computer world AMD still has a long way to go to catch
Intel, but I was surprised to see AMD above CRAY.
http://www.top500.org/sublist/stats/index.php?list=25&type=procfam&submit=Generate+Table

You can have a lot of discussion about what constitutes a "super computer"
though. If you count massively parallel, and especially tight clusters,
Intel has an established base and AMD has only recently entered that arena.
I have my doubts about whether either should be classified in the same
league as a "real" super computer.

 

[George Macdonald]

Never mind, Mickey D set me straight....

"Intel takes a very definitive lead in performance and power management
at 65 nanometers," Dell said. "If we thought AMD was going to be
supercompetitive in the spring and fall of next year, we'd be
introducing AMD products right now."

Dell: Dual-Core Xeons Will Win
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,123142,00.asp

Mikey just doesn't seem to be paying attention at all - recent tests of
samples of the Intel 65nm Cedar Mill are a bit of a yawn. Does he think
that AMD is just going to sit around picking the dirt out of their
fingernails in the meantime?

 

[George Macdonald]

And FIA just announced intentions to redesign the rear wing layout of
the F1 cars in 2008. Wonder if the configuration was arrived at after
simulations on the AMD computers they got?

http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/news_story.asp?ID=140770

Hmm, these new rear wings look suspiciously like fenders to me. Yes it
was my impression that was one of the reasons for the FIA acquiring the AMD
computers - to do some basic aero research. I assume they're going to
arrange things so that the GP2 cars can't run faster than the F1s.

 

[keith]

Mikey just doesn't seem to be paying attention at all - recent tests of
samples of the Intel 65nm Cedar Mill are a bit of a yawn. Does he think
that AMD is just going to sit around picking the dirt out of their
fingernails in the meantime?

Oh, I think Mikey is paying attention. I wouldn't doubt that he's
*demanding* some attention too. I don't think I'd like to be his
marketing exec (on either side).

 

[Tony Hill]

And FIA just announced intentions to redesign the rear wing layout of
the F1 cars in 2008. Wonder if the configuration was arrived at after
simulations on the AMD computers they got?

http://www.tsn.ca/auto_racing/news_story.asp?ID=140770

According to the officially F1 site, that's a definite "YES":

http://www.formula1.com/news/3764.html

In fact, it sounds to me like AMD is doing a lot more than just
providing the computers for the simulations, it seems like they're
fully involved in the research side of things as well.

 

[George Macdonald]

Oh, I think Mikey is paying attention. I wouldn't doubt that he's
*demanding* some attention too. I don't think I'd like to be his
marketing exec (on either side).

I dunno - he says he wants to get into "services" in a big way but there's
only one company that's made a go of that -- you know who -- and with a
*LOT* of depth in high power creative talent to back it up. Even Digital
Equipment, who had a big services orgn. eventually wilted - they didn't
have the sufficient fundamental talents to solve customer problems... and
I'm not sure Mikey has any at all... farting higher than his ass IYAM.

 

[George Macdonald]

According to the officially F1 site, that's a definite "YES":

http://www.formula1.com/news/3764.html

In fact, it sounds to me like AMD is doing a lot more than just
providing the computers for the simulations, it seems like they're
fully involved in the research side of things as well.

Huh? AMD in CFD? I don't think they have anything to match the pure aero
career people - possibly "facilitating" hooking up with the right software
vendors and the guys who know how to work it. There are a whole bunch of
out-of-work motorsport engineers hanging around since tobacco was banned.

 

[chrisv]

Never mind, Mickey D set me straight....

"Intel takes a very definitive lead in performance and power management
at 65 nanometers," Dell said. "If we thought AMD was going to be
supercompetitive in the spring and fall of next year, we'd be
introducing AMD products right now."

Hell, this is the same BS we've been hearing from Dell for years.