Password in querty instead of azerty

[veerleverbr]

Hi,

I recently formatted my C partition and reinstalled Windows XP Home
Edition and all its updates en services packs. After doing the
installing my regional settings were wrong so I had to type as if I
have a querty keyboard while I have an azerty keyboard. I changed the
regional settings to Belgium (Dutch) and now it is correct: I can type
in azerty. With one exception: after restarting the pc when logging on,
the password still has to be typed as if I have a querty keyboard.
After that, everything is azerty, even when my screensavers stops and I
have to give my password again: also azerty. Any ideas how I can solve
this?

Veerle

 

[David Candy]

In the same dialog where you choose keyboard. You also get asked which one to use on startup.

 

[veerleverbr]

In the same dialog where you choose keyboard. You also get asked which one to use on

startup.

No, this is also set to Belgian (Dutch), the same value as for my
keyboard. So that should result in azerty...

 

[David Candy]

Perhaps dutch groups may help. My keyboard is always qwerty (and really has been my whole life). Despite typing for 32 years I still need to look at the letters on keys.

Perhaps it's a Alt + Shift (or Ctrl + Shift) type thing. I presume that changes (or whatever you set it to) the keyboard at the logon screen. Are you pressing these keys for any reason.

Is QWERTY still listed in the dialog (nothing stops you have any language keyboard with any other language).

 

[Galen]

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My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

Hi,

I recently formatted my C partition and reinstalled Windows XP Home
Edition and all its updates en services packs. After doing the
installing my regional settings were wrong so I had to type as if I
have a querty keyboard while I have an azerty keyboard. I changed the
regional settings to Belgium (Dutch) and now it is correct: I can type
in azerty. With one exception: after restarting the pc when logging
on, the password still has to be typed as if I have a querty keyboard.
After that, everything is azerty, even when my screensavers stops and
I have to give my password again: also azerty. Any ideas how I can
solve this?

Veerle

The language settings for the OS are in effect until the OS loads. My guess
is that you have an XP English edition. That means that the QWERTY layout
will be in effect until you're logged onto the shell has fully loaded. When
the screensaver kicks in the shell remains loaded, the keyboard's regional
settings that you've chosen stay in effect, and will remain in effect until
you're rebooted.

1) I'm amazed you figured it out. <g> Congratulations - most people would
sit there idle until they gave up and reformatted instead of figuring out
that it was back in QWERTY.
2) There's not much (other than grabbing the Dutch version) that can be done
about this as far as I know. (Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.)

It's interesting on thin clients logging onto a domain where the regional
language is changed on the device and then the keyboard may not even have
the appropriate keys to enter the letters or numbers. Ah well...

I really don't know of a work-around for this.

--
Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
http://dts-l.org/
http://kgiii.info/

"We approached the case, you remember, with an absolutely blank mind,
which is always an advantage. We had formed no theories. We were simply
there to observe and to draw inferences from our observations." -
Sherlock Holmes

 

[David Candy]

Cntrl + Shift

 

[veerleverbr]

Perhaps dutch groups may help. My keyboard is always qwerty (and really has been my whole life). Despite typing for 32

years I still need to look at the letters on keys.

I got lessons in typing blind at the age of 13. They were based on
azerty. But at that age I had a commodore 64 at home (for playing games
and writing simple programs in basic) and that had a querty keyboard,
so I can really type blind in azerty as well as querty.

But I think that the password thing should be solved, just as a matter
of principal: if I set my settings to azerty then everything has to be
azerty. So I'll try posting my problem in Dutch group.

Perhaps it's a Alt + Shift (or Ctrl + Shift) type thing. I presume that changes (or whatever you set it to) the keyboard at the
logon screen. Are you pressing these keys for any reason.

No I don't. I tried to do it, but it had no impact at all, still
querty.

Is QWERTY still listed in the dialog (nothing stops you have any language keyboard with any other language).

No, I remove all other options because I don't need them and to make
sure that that wasn't the problem.

 

[veerleverbr]

My guess is that you have an XP English edition.

No I don't. I have a Dutch XP Home Edition. When I bought the computer,
it was pre-installed, and then it worked fine. But after 2 years, the
computer got so slow that I decided to re-install everything, using the
XP cd that was delivered with the computer. And now I have the problem.


My guess is that the problem occurs because at installation time, I
forgot to change the settings to azerty. So I did it the first time
that Windows started up. I'm pretty sure that if I re-install
everything and change the setting at installation time, the problem
will not occur any more. I've installed Windows XP already dozens of
times (for meself and other people), always changing the setting at
setup time and never had the problem... But to do that again now,
already having installed all my other software, that is a day of work.
As I still can log on at the time (in querty), I don't really feel like
trying it. My guess is that it is a bug in Windows XP Home Edition,
Dutch version......

 

[Galen]

In David Candy had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

Cntrl + Shift

I'll save this one - if you don't mind - as I'm sure it will crop up again.
When it does I'll give it a shot. Once in a while I get French installation
to work on. (I'm pretty close to Quebec and a lot of the people here speak
French as a second language.)

--
Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
http://dts-l.org/
http://kgiii.info/

"We approached the case, you remember, with an absolutely blank mind,
which is always an advantage. We had formed no theories. We were simply
there to observe and to draw inferences from our observations." -
Sherlock Holmes

 

[veerleverbr]

I got it solved! Someone in a Dutch newsgroup pointed me to this page:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q138354/--

Of course I have Windows XP instead of Windows NT, but a similar key
exists in my registry: [HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Keyboard Layout\Preload]

This was set to 00000413 meaning "Dutch (Standard)". But my keyboard
setting has to be "Dutch (Belgian)" for having an azerty keyboard. So I
changed the value to 00000813 and now my problem is solved!

 

[David Candy]

It might be Alt + Shift depending on settings. I need it sometimes as International keyboard is active (cos I hit Ctrl + Shift + something earlier). Although this only applies where there are two keyboards or languages installed.

Switching Keyboards
Key Description
Left Alt + Shift Switches keyboard layout or language (default).
Control + Shift Switches keyboard layout (default) or language.
Left Alt + Shift + <a number, tilde (~), or accent grave (`)> Switches to a specific keyboard layout or language (default).
Control + Shift + <a number, tilde (~), or accent grave (`)> Switches to a specific keyboard layout (default) or language.

On the advanced tab turn on both Advanced Text Services and Extend Support To All Programs to enable Left Alt + Shift support.

Keys to switch layouts are set at Start - Control Panel - Regional Options - Languages - Details - Key Settings.

Run Language Dialog then click Advanced tab or Key Settings button.

 

[David Candy]

Those dutch people are clever, aren't they.

 

[Galen]

In David Candy had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

It might be Alt + Shift depending on settings. I need it sometimes as
International keyboard is active (cos I hit Ctrl + Shift + something
earlier). Although this only applies where there are two keyboards or
languages installed.

Switching Keyboards
Key Description
Left Alt + Shift Switches keyboard layout or language (default).
Control + Shift Switches keyboard layout (default) or language.
Left Alt + Shift + <a number, tilde (~), or accent grave (`)>
Switches to a specific keyboard layout or language (default).
Control + Shift + <a number, tilde (~), or accent grave (`)>
Switches to a specific keyboard layout (default) or language.

On the advanced tab turn on both Advanced Text Services and Extend
Support To All Programs to enable Left Alt + Shift support.

Keys to switch layouts are set at Start - Control Panel - Regional
Options - Languages - Details - Key Settings.

Run Language Dialog then click Advanced tab or Key Settings button.

My keystroke to switch languages would be CTRL + Shift so I suppose that
would be what I'd have to use here. And, as I veer off topic, I'd like to
see it mapped to a three stroke combination to ensure that I don't hit it by
accident as easily. Maybe mappable to CTRL + ALT + Function Key or
something... Ah well...

--
Galen - MS MVP - Windows (Shell/User & IE)
http://dts-l.org/
http://kgiii.info/

"We approached the case, you remember, with an absolutely blank mind,
which is always an advantage. We had formed no theories. We were simply
there to observe and to draw inferences from our observations." -
Sherlock Holmes

 

[David Candy]

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Desktop

 

[David Candy]

Wrong thread.