Partitioning my hard drive

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Guest

I am trying to partition my harddrive in Win XP. All the instructions I'm
seeing from "Help" and off the internet says to go to Computer Management and
then Disk Management. From there they all say right click on the unallocated
space and click New Partition. First I don't have unallocated space. And
right clicking on the primary space, doesn't have an option of New Partition.
Any help in this would be appreciated.
 
M

Martin

Sean said:
I am trying to partition my harddrive in Win XP. All the instructions I'm
seeing from "Help" and off the internet says to go to Computer Management and
then Disk Management. From there they all say right click on the unallocated
space and click New Partition. First I don't have unallocated space. And
right clicking on the primary space, doesn't have an option of New Partition.
Any help in this would be appreciated.


The reason there is no unallocated space is because whoever installed your
OS used the whole disk. The only way to create a partition now
withoutre-installing is to get a 3rd party partitioner.
 
D

Duh

You cannot re-partition your hard drive using XP if you only have 1
partition. You will need to purchase some 3rd party software like partition
magic.

I am trying to partition my harddrive in Win XP. All the instructions I'm
seeing from "Help" and off the internet says to go to Computer Management
and
then Disk Management. From there they all say right click on the
unallocated
space and click New Partition. First I don't have unallocated space. And
right clicking on the primary space, doesn't have an option of New
Partition.
Any help in this would be appreciated.
 
T

t.cruise

Unfortunately, in your situation, only having one partition, where Windows XP is already
installed: If you want to retain the current Windows XP installation on your hard drive,
and your current programs and data, you will have to use a third party utility for
partitioning "on the fly" like Partition Magic. Then you will be able to resize your
current partition, and create another partition (or partitions) with the storage space
remaining on the drive. There are other third party utilities, which other posters have
recommended as well. But, I am not familiar with them. It is always wise to back up any
data files which you wouldn't want to lose, just in case something goes wrong.

http://www.symantec.com/partitionmagic/
 
K

Ken Blake

In
Sean said:
I am trying to partition my harddrive in Win XP. All the
instructions
I'm seeing from "Help" and off the internet says to go to
Computer
Management and then Disk Management. From there they all say
right
click on the unallocated space and click New Partition.


Unfortunately, help like that is very poor. That information,
while not actually wrong, helps almost nobody.

Yes, you can create a new partition in unallocated space, but
hardly anybody has any unallocated space. This is like saying you
can create a new bedroom in your house by using the empty room
that nobody's ever even been in before; good idea, except that
nobody has a room they've never used.

A note on the terminology, by the way: your drive is already
partitioned. To partition a drive is to create one or more
partitions on it. You presumably have a single partition and want
to change that so you have more than one.

First I
don't have unallocated space. And right clicking on the
primary
space, doesn't have an option of New Partition.


Correct. Unfortunately, no version of Windows has ever had a way
to change an existing partition structure non-destructively.
Short of reformatting the drive and starting over, there's no way
to do what you want without the use of a third-party program,
such as Partition magic or Boot-It Next Generation. BING comes
with a 30-day free trial, so you may want to download and use it
to accomplish what you want to do within that 30-day period.
 
R

Rock

Sean said:
I am trying to partition my harddrive in Win XP. All the instructions I'm
seeing from "Help" and off the internet says to go to Computer Management and
then Disk Management. From there they all say right click on the unallocated
space and click New Partition. First I don't have unallocated space. And
right clicking on the primary space, doesn't have an option of New Partition.
Any help in this would be appreciated.

BootitNG is another alternative to Partition Magic. $27 I think and it
gives you a 30 day free full featured trial.
 
A

Alex Nichol

Sean said:
I am trying to partition my harddrive in Win XP. All the instructions I'm
seeing from "Help" and off the internet says to go to Computer Management and
then Disk Management. From there they all say right click on the unallocated
space and click New Partition. First I don't have unallocated space. And
right clicking on the primary space, doesn't have an option of New Partition.

In that case all the disk has been made into a single partition which
you would have to shrink to release space for a new one. You can't do
this with XP's own tools (other than starting over from scratch). You
need one of the third party partition managers - Partition Magic 8, or I
use BootIT NG, from http://www.BootitNG.com ($35 shareware - 30 day full
functional trial)
 
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Alex Nichol

Rock said:
BootitNG is another alternative to Partition Magic. $27 I think

$35 - $27 is their Image for Windows. Still decidedly cheaper than PM,
and does everything
 
G

Guest

Can I jump in and ask "What is harm if I leave my 160 GB hard drive with one
patition?" with XP Proffessional. How about if I am not going to use even 40
GB in next few months? Sorry Sean for interrupting.
 
A

Anna

Parkash said:
Can I jump in and ask "What is harm if I leave my 160 GB hard drive with
one patition?" with XP Proffessional. How about if I am not going to use
even 40 GB in next few months? Sorry Sean for interrupting.


Parkash...

Since Alex Nichol has informed the OP that in his case he will need a
third-party program to create multiple partitions on his single-partitioned
drive, we can turn to your query...



First of all, the fact that you anticipate adding this or that amount of
data to your drive over the next few months is irrelevant to the question as
to whether you should multi-partition your drive.

There are advantages and disadvantages with each partitioning scheme. The
big advantage of a single partition per physical drive is simplicity. You
never encounter the situation where the free space is in the wrong
partition; you never need to adjust the partition size.
The most obvious valid reason for more than one partition on the boot drive
is when you run more than one OS, i.e., a multi-boot configuration. Though
there is a lot to be said for having each one on its own physical drive if
you have more than one physical drive. Having each OS on its own hard drive
avoids all sorts of potential configuration/installation/program access/file
manipulation, etc. problems arising from having multiple OSs on the same
hard disk. An additional advantage of equipping your computer with a second
internal HD is that by using a disk imaging program to clone the contents of
your day-to-day working HD to the second drive, you maintain a practical and
comprehensive backup system.

Many advocates of multi-partitioning schemes invoke the presumed advantage
of thereby separating the operating system from one's programs/data.
However, as Ken Blake has pointed out...

"There's little if any advantage to having a separate partition for
programs. Some people do this because they think that if they have to
reinstall the operating system, they can keep their installed programs. But
because all programs (except for a very few simple ones) have many entries
all over the Windows folder (in the registry and elsewhere), a clean
reinstallation of Windows means loss of these entries and requires
reinstallation of all programs as well. Thus any advantage of separating
the programs vanishes."



And quoting from another recent poster (unfortunately I neglected to save
his/her name)...

"In theory, installing software on a separate partition should be a good
idea.
However, due to the design of the Windows operating system, most software
that you will install to that partition will probably have many registry
keys
as well as additional files that will reside on your main partition. When
you
restore your system (like if you are using a manufacturer restore CD),
frequently the only option is to completely wipe out your hard drive (which
will include your partition that you install to). Even if your restore CD
does just let you restore your system partition, most of your apps that you
have installed will not function until reinstalled due to the registry keys
and other system files that reside on your system partition."



And according to another poster on this newsgroup Microsoft has this to say
about partitioning a hard drive...

"When performing a clean install, Microsoft recommends that
NTFS be used and that the system be installed in a single partition
on each disk. Under Windows XP, big partitions are better managed
than in previous versions of Windows. Forcing installed software
into several partitions on the disk necessitates longer seeks when
running the system and software."
Interesting to me since I never knew MS took a stand against partitioning a
hard drive. Incidentally, the poster did not give the citation for this
quote. I'm assuming it's an accurate one that reflects MS's thinking on this
issue.


You can of course organize your drive any way you want, but you could just
as easily have a single place called a "folder" as have a single place
called a "partition" in which to store your valuable programs and data. In
my view. most people without special needs are best served by having a
single partition. A partition-based organization scheme is static--with
rigid boundaries between the partitions--but a folder-based scheme is
dynamic and flexible, automatically changing its boundaries as necessary to
meet one's changing needs.

Every time I come across someone who has created a partition-based
organization scheme, it seems it's just a matter of time before he or she
runs out of space on one partition while still having lots left on others.
What he then usually does is take the expedient route, putting the next file
where there's room for it, instead of where the organization scheme dictates
it should go. The result, paradoxically, is *less* organization, rather than
more. Or the user complains that he/she will have to purchase a partitioning
program to manipulate the partitions.

You are vulnerable to losing data no matter where you put it. The solution
to that problem is having an adequate backup system and ensuring that you
systematically adhere to your backup plan, not how you organize your drive
from a partitioning point of view. My advice (excepting single-drive
multi-boot considerations as previously noted) to most users is that they
create a simple structure on their working HD, i.e., one partition per
physical drive and use folders to organize their programs/data. Equip your
computer with a second HD (just look how cheap they are in today's market!)
and/or external hard drive for backup purposes. The rule is KISS.

Anna
 
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Sharon F

Can I jump in and ask "What is harm if I leave my 160 GB hard drive with one
patition?" with XP Proffessional. How about if I am not going to use even 40
GB in next few months? Sorry Sean for interrupting.

No harm. Whatever fits your work style or comfort level is the way to go.

I prefer to keep the main partition to just Windows as much as possible
(putting applications on another partition) simply to make the size of my
weekly Windows image more manageable.
 
A

arhooley

Sharon said:
No harm. Whatever fits your work style or comfort level is the way to go.

I prefer to keep the main partition to just Windows as much as possible
(putting applications on another partition) simply to make the size of my
weekly Windows image more manageable.


I've read the whole thread and got my answer as to why the Disk
Management options mysteriously aren't available. Now, having found out
that Windows XP supposedly manages large partitions better, I ask: Is
my slow-system problem (my system is ridiculously slow) perhaps better
fixed by adding memory instead of partitioning my hard drive? I have
256MB of RAM. Where do I blow my dough? On Partition Magic, or a memory
stick?

Thanks,
Joan
 
S

Sharon F

I've read the whole thread and got my answer as to why the Disk
Management options mysteriously aren't available. Now, having found out
that Windows XP supposedly manages large partitions better, I ask: Is
my slow-system problem (my system is ridiculously slow) perhaps better
fixed by adding memory instead of partitioning my hard drive? I have
256MB of RAM. Where do I blow my dough? On Partition Magic, or a memory
stick?

I vote for RAM. While 256 MB is fine for light usage, I find 512MB to be
the sweet spot. Especially on a system that shares system ram to create
video ram. More than 512 MB only if common usage, such as graphics editing,
is memory intensive.
 
S

Stan Brown

Is
my slow-system problem (my system is ridiculously slow) perhaps better
fixed by adding memory instead of partitioning my hard drive?

Unquestionably.

Partitioning a hard drive won't make any noticeable improvement in
speed. Adding memory will reduce the number of times Windows has to
go out to the page file, which will make it un faster. Also I've
heard that more memory geneally correlates with fewer crashes,
thouh I'm less confident about that assertion.
 
D

DanS

I've read the whole thread and got my answer as to why the Disk
Management options mysteriously aren't available. Now, having found out
that Windows XP supposedly manages large partitions better, I ask: Is
my slow-system problem (my system is ridiculously slow) perhaps better
fixed by adding memory instead of partitioning my hard drive? I have
256MB of RAM. Where do I blow my dough? On Partition Magic, or a memory
stick?

Thanks,
Joan

Joan,

Re-partitioning a 'ridiculously slow' computer will most likely not have
any perceivable affect on performance.

There have to be other reason's why it is so slow. Old hardware, spyware,
not the best driver's, the list goes on and on.

The wife's PC is an AthlonXP 2600 based system w/256 megs of DDR RAM, and
for her use, it performs well. My PC is an older Athlon T-Bird @ 1 GHz
with 512 megs of RAM, which performs well for me, with the exception of
video editing. I don't do any MP3 encoding either. IMO, any P3 class or
better PC should never be 'ridiculously slow'.

The single upgrade that will yield the highest perceivable performance
increase is upgrading from a 5400 rpm IDE harddrive to a 7200 rpm IDE or
10000 rpm SATA.

If you list out your hardware, I or someone else here could make some
suggestion's on fixes.

Spyware/Adware/Virii/Trojans seems to be the most common cause of bad
performance on what should be a half-way decent computer. The software on
the computer also has something to do with it. Many apps insist on
starting up with Windows, unnecessarily. If you install RealPlayer, it
set's itself to startup with Windows. AOL IM, same thing. Do you have 20
icons in the System Tray ? I have 3, the speaker, NAV, and Zone Alarm,
and none are set to hidden, so it really is 3.

Windows Services is another area. Of course you need to know which are
required, but come on, XP installs and turns on the Wireless Zero
Configuration service by default. Like I really need this on a desktop
w/o any wireless. The disk indexing service is another one. I don't
frequently search my hard drive, and from what I understand, this service
can consume CPU at times. Last I recall, the SmartCard service was
enabled by default as well. IMAPI CD Burning Service, I will NEVER use
WindowsXP built-in CD burning, why would I use this inadequate piece when
just about any 3RD party app, that will most likely come free with ANY
CDR drive, will work like it's supposed to, and be easily
understood.....off with that one.

Regards,

DanS
 
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Ron Sommer

Anna said:
snipped
And according to another poster on this newsgroup Microsoft has this to
say about partitioning a hard drive...

"When performing a clean install, Microsoft recommends that
NTFS be used and that the system be installed in a single partition
on each disk. Under Windows XP, big partitions are better managed
than in previous versions of Windows. Forcing installed software
into several partitions on the disk necessitates longer seeks when
running the system and software."
Interesting to me since I never knew MS took a stand against partitioning
a hard drive. Incidentally, the poster did not give the citation for this
quote. I'm assuming it's an accurate one that reflects MS's thinking on
this issue.


Anna
I don't read that MS took a stand against partitioning a hard drive.
I read to install XP and the programs on one partition.

The quote is from Carey Frisch [MVP] Jul 6 2004, 12:47 pm
http://groups-beta.google.com/group..._doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#77c0803d0999eda7
 
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arhooley

Thanks, all.

I consider my machine pretty slow, and I just did a Recovery on it
(I've had it for over three years and it had its share of beta
software, empty registry entries, any number of trojans and spies,
etc.) and it's still what I consider painfully slow. A full three
minutes to boot up, and forever to launch a program. I'd like to go
after all those useless services that I never use. (Oh, and I found out
how to quit launching RealPlayer.) What's the best Windows XP Reference
I can consult instead of eating up space here?

Thanks again in advance.

--Joan
 
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arhooley

Thanks, all.

I consider my machine pretty slow, and I just did a Recovery on it
(I've had it for over three years and it had its share of beta
software, empty registry entries, any number of trojans and spies,
etc.) and it's still what I consider painfully slow. A full three
minutes to boot up, and forever to launch a program. I'd like to go
after all those useless services that I never use. (Oh, and I found out
how to quit launching RealPlayer.) What's the best Windows XP Reference
I can consult instead of eating up space here?

Thanks again in advance.

--Joan
 

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