Partition Magic

H

huwyngr

But if you create a partition for Vista, using Partition Magic 8, you "will" 
have problems. Unfortunately, they may not show up until you have invested 
many hours in building up your system.

Not my experience with VISTA Business RTM and now VISTA Ultimate retail.

But I was careful. I started with PM8.01 on an XP installation on it's own hard
drive. Then I partitioned an second empty hard drive using PM8 into two equal
partitions and installed VISTA on one of those partitions using boot to the DVD
to do this.

I ahve no intention of using PM8 to alter the VISTA drive although I have used
it to look at all the partitions on the several PC drives.
 
H

huwyngr

PM 8.01, the last version from PowerQuest (that many people try to use - 
because they have it) does not work.

That's the version I used -- see my other message.
 
H

huwyngr

I am going to have to be certain to specify Partition Magic 8.01 or earlier 
in my posts.

I would not if I were you. I suspect that any version that works under XP is
OK provided you use it as I did.
 
H

huwyngr

 That's all I have done, 
create Vista partitions with PM.   I haven't tried to resize one ...

I completely agree with you on both counts, and in my case using PM8.01,
the last PQ version.
 
X

XS11E

Richard Urban said:
How do you create a partition with Partition Magic 8 and have it
NOT format the partition?

I recall that was an option? I don't use it as it doesn't work at all
for me, it simple says I have a corrupt partition table and has done so
since before PM 8, I use Partition Commander and it does have the don't
format option.

BTW, the "corrupt partition table" works flawlessly with Windows 2k, XP
and Vista. I can boot on any of the above three CDs, tell it to
fixboot, fixmbr and get a completed successfully message, then boot PM
and get a "Corrupt Partition Table" message.
 
W

...winston

Yes...I do..
If you install Vista as the second dual boot os...if you load PM8 in XP post vista you may see this dialog box since PM8 will not be able to interpret Vista's ntfs offset.
Partition Magic has detected error xxx on the partition starting at sector xxxx on disk x.
The length of the partition in the partition table is incorrect.
Would you like Partition Magic to fix this error ?

- Choose NO.

This may occur even if the Vista drive is hidden. Additionally the drives or partitions after the Vista partition may not be visible to to PM and show up(only in PM8/8.01) as bad. If so and you wish to managed them use XP or Vista's Disk Management tool.
--
....winston
MS-MVP WLMd


: Winston, I don't think you understand. I don't intend to use PM8 for
: anything. I already have a XP Pro box and I intend to install Vista Premium
: so that I may dual boot XP and Vista. As I understand it I can do all that
: is necessary (make a new partition, resize the XP partition etc.) during the
: Vista install.
:
: : You can manage the XP o/s, extended dos/logical Ntfs and Fat32 partitions in
: XP with PM8 or XP's Disk Management. If you later install Vista as the
: second o/s and have two separate drives, with the intent to dual boot use
: XP's Disk Management to leave unallocated space, preferably at the beginning
: of the second drive prior to installing Vista and install Vista to that
: unallocated space.
:
: Once complete you can not use PM8 to manage the Vista paritition or later
: Vista Disk Management's created partitions.
:
: If you run PM8 in XP, and it says it found an error on the Vista drive and
: offers to repair, do not, repeat do not, let it repair.!! You will damage
: the offset Vista uses for its unique approach to ntfs.
:
: ...winston
:
: :: Richard, of course I won't create a partition using PM. I agree that would
:: be inviting disaster. Vista allows me to resize the current XP partition
: and
:: install Vista on another partition which Vista creates. All of this is
: done
:: during the Vista Ultimate install. Am I correct?
::
::
:: :: > But if you create a partition for Vista, using Partition Magic 8, you
:: > "will" have problems. Unfortunately, they may not show up until you have
:: > invested many hours in building up your system. Then you will be forced
: to
:: > start over, creating a Vista partition using either the Vista install
:: > program or another compatible utility.
:: >
:: > --
:: >
:: >
:: > Regards,
:: >
:: > Richard Urban
:: > Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
:: > (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
:: >
:: >
:: >
:: > :: >> Ah, but I'll be dual booting Vista Ultimate and XP Pro and PM8 *is*
:: >> compatible with XP is it not? The bottom line is I need Ghost 12. The
:: >> Fry's deal provides me with two apps + Ghost12 - FREE!
:: >>
:: >> :: >>> But Partition Magic 8 is not compatible with Windows Vista.
:: >>>
:: >>> Ed Forsythe wrote:
:: >>>> IIRC, Symantec bought out PowerQuest (Partition Magic and Drive
: Image).
:: >>>> Support for Drive Image is marginal at best and the latest version
: (7)
:: >>>> is not compatible with Vista. Ghost V12 seems to be the current king
: of
:: >>>> the imaging crop. I just ordered a package from Fry's. All I wanted
:: >>>> Partition Magic V8 and Ghost V12. Fry's has a deal going that gives
: you
:: >>>> Norton Internet Security (gag), Partition Magic V8, and Ghost V12 for
:: >>>> $70. Now get this! There are two rebates good for $70 so The cost of
:: >>>> the package is 0! nada, nothing! I plan to sell the Internet
: Security
:: >>>> junk on eBay so I will net a gain - money in the bank. Can't get
:: >>>> better than that.
:: >>>> *But* you better hurry over to Fry's because I think the deal might
:: >>>> expire today.
:: >>>>
:: >>>> :: >>>>> I am trying to partition my HD which has Vista Home basic in order
: to
:: >>>>> create a install for Linux. On XP, I used Partition Magic which
: worked
:: >>>>> well, however Vista will not allow this to run as it apparantly
:: >>>>> incompatible even though this is an NTFS file system, the size of
: the
:: >>>>> HD is 120 GB and there is currently 77 GB free. I don't think memory
:: >>>>> is an issue as I have 1300 MB free. I think Linux has an EXT file
:: >>>>> format which was possible to create on Partition Magic. The website
:: >>>>> for this program has no info on an upgrade for Vista so I am
: wondering
:: >>>>> if anyone knows of a partitioning program that is compatible with
:: >>>>> Vista or if it is recommended that you try a Linux installation by
:: >>>>> using their partition program. I want to make sure that there are no
:: >>>>> errors that could wipe out the contents of Vista and other than
:: >>>>> installing on a 2nd drive, the safest bet might be to format first
:: >>>>> before installing Linux. Any comments or suggestions appreciated.
:: >>>>
:: >>
:: >
::
::
:
:
 
W

...winston

email sent

--
....winston
MS-MVP WLMd
:I wish you would try that so we can put this to bed - once and for all. (-:
:
: We all know that Acronis Disk Director Suite ver 10.0.2160 will do all of
: that without causing any problems.
:
: Until I am 100% certain that the latest version of PM will also succeed at
: the resizing/moving/combining tasks I can not, in good faith, recommend it.
: In fact, based upon what I have found out so far I would have to condemn it.
:
 
I

Ian Betts

Is this not to do with the fact the Vista has a new start up sequence called
BCD (database) that will not work with previous versions of Windows that use
a Boot Manager.

You cannot in fact mix and match XP with Vista unless you partition, have
two HDs or VirtualPC. This link explains.



http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919529



--
Ian

Yes...I do..
If you install Vista as the second dual boot os...if you load PM8 in XP post
vista you may see this dialog box since PM8 will not be able to interpret
Vista's ntfs offset.
Partition Magic has detected error xxx on the partition starting at sector
xxxx on disk x.
The length of the partition in the partition table is incorrect.
Would you like Partition Magic to fix this error ?

- Choose NO.

This may occur even if the Vista drive is hidden. Additionally the drives
or partitions after the Vista partition may not be visible to to PM and show
up(only in PM8/8.01) as bad. If so and you wish to managed them use XP or
Vista's Disk Management tool.
--
....winston
MS-MVP WLMd


: Winston, I don't think you understand. I don't intend to use PM8 for
: anything. I already have a XP Pro box and I intend to install Vista
Premium
: so that I may dual boot XP and Vista. As I understand it I can do all
that
: is necessary (make a new partition, resize the XP partition etc.) during
the
: Vista install.
:
: : You can manage the XP o/s, extended dos/logical Ntfs and Fat32 partitions
in
: XP with PM8 or XP's Disk Management. If you later install Vista as the
: second o/s and have two separate drives, with the intent to dual boot use
: XP's Disk Management to leave unallocated space, preferably at the
beginning
: of the second drive prior to installing Vista and install Vista to that
: unallocated space.
:
: Once complete you can not use PM8 to manage the Vista paritition or later
: Vista Disk Management's created partitions.
:
: If you run PM8 in XP, and it says it found an error on the Vista drive and
: offers to repair, do not, repeat do not, let it repair.!! You will damage
: the offset Vista uses for its unique approach to ntfs.
:
: ...winston
:
: :: Richard, of course I won't create a partition using PM. I agree that
would
:: be inviting disaster. Vista allows me to resize the current XP partition
: and
:: install Vista on another partition which Vista creates. All of this is
: done
:: during the Vista Ultimate install. Am I correct?
::
::
:: :: > But if you create a partition for Vista, using Partition Magic 8, you
:: > "will" have problems. Unfortunately, they may not show up until you
have
:: > invested many hours in building up your system. Then you will be forced
: to
:: > start over, creating a Vista partition using either the Vista install
:: > program or another compatible utility.
:: >
:: > --
:: >
:: >
:: > Regards,
:: >
:: > Richard Urban
:: > Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
:: > (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
:: >
:: >
:: >
:: > :: >> Ah, but I'll be dual booting Vista Ultimate and XP Pro and PM8 *is*
:: >> compatible with XP is it not? The bottom line is I need Ghost 12. The
:: >> Fry's deal provides me with two apps + Ghost12 - FREE!
:: >>
:: >> :: >>> But Partition Magic 8 is not compatible with Windows Vista.
:: >>>
:: >>> Ed Forsythe wrote:
:: >>>> IIRC, Symantec bought out PowerQuest (Partition Magic and Drive
: Image).
:: >>>> Support for Drive Image is marginal at best and the latest version
: (7)
:: >>>> is not compatible with Vista. Ghost V12 seems to be the current king
: of
:: >>>> the imaging crop. I just ordered a package from Fry's. All I wanted
:: >>>> Partition Magic V8 and Ghost V12. Fry's has a deal going that gives
: you
:: >>>> Norton Internet Security (gag), Partition Magic V8, and Ghost V12
for
:: >>>> $70. Now get this! There are two rebates good for $70 so The cost
of
:: >>>> the package is 0! nada, nothing! I plan to sell the Internet
: Security
:: >>>> junk on eBay so I will net a gain - money in the bank. Can't get
:: >>>> better than that.
:: >>>> *But* you better hurry over to Fry's because I think the deal might
:: >>>> expire today.
:: >>>>
:: >>>> :: >>>>> I am trying to partition my HD which has Vista Home basic in order
: to
:: >>>>> create a install for Linux. On XP, I used Partition Magic which
: worked
:: >>>>> well, however Vista will not allow this to run as it apparantly
:: >>>>> incompatible even though this is an NTFS file system, the size of
: the
:: >>>>> HD is 120 GB and there is currently 77 GB free. I don't think
memory
:: >>>>> is an issue as I have 1300 MB free. I think Linux has an EXT file
:: >>>>> format which was possible to create on Partition Magic. The website
:: >>>>> for this program has no info on an upgrade for Vista so I am
: wondering
:: >>>>> if anyone knows of a partitioning program that is compatible with
:: >>>>> Vista or if it is recommended that you try a Linux installation by
:: >>>>> using their partition program. I want to make sure that there are
no
:: >>>>> errors that could wipe out the contents of Vista and other than
:: >>>>> installing on a 2nd drive, the safest bet might be to format first
:: >>>>> before installing Linux. Any comments or suggestions appreciated.
:: >>>>
:: >>
:: >
::
::
:
:
 
E

Ed Forsythe

I'm going to say this one more time winston - I DO NOT INTEND TO USE PM8!
Yes...I do..
If you install Vista as the second dual boot os...if you load PM8 in XP post
vista you may see this dialog box since PM8 will not be able to interpret
Vista's ntfs offset.
Partition Magic has detected error xxx on the partition starting at sector
xxxx on disk x.
The length of the partition in the partition table is incorrect.
Would you like Partition Magic to fix this error ?

- Choose NO.

This may occur even if the Vista drive is hidden. Additionally the drives
or partitions after the Vista partition may not be visible to to PM and show
up(only in PM8/8.01) as bad. If so and you wish to managed them use XP or
Vista's Disk Management tool.
--
....winston
MS-MVP WLMd


: Winston, I don't think you understand. I don't intend to use PM8 for
: anything. I already have a XP Pro box and I intend to install Vista
Premium
: so that I may dual boot XP and Vista. As I understand it I can do all
that
: is necessary (make a new partition, resize the XP partition etc.) during
the
: Vista install.
:
: : You can manage the XP o/s, extended dos/logical Ntfs and Fat32 partitions
in
: XP with PM8 or XP's Disk Management. If you later install Vista as the
: second o/s and have two separate drives, with the intent to dual boot use
: XP's Disk Management to leave unallocated space, preferably at the
beginning
: of the second drive prior to installing Vista and install Vista to that
: unallocated space.
:
: Once complete you can not use PM8 to manage the Vista paritition or later
: Vista Disk Management's created partitions.
:
: If you run PM8 in XP, and it says it found an error on the Vista drive and
: offers to repair, do not, repeat do not, let it repair.!! You will damage
: the offset Vista uses for its unique approach to ntfs.
:
: ...winston
:
: :: Richard, of course I won't create a partition using PM. I agree that
would
:: be inviting disaster. Vista allows me to resize the current XP partition
: and
:: install Vista on another partition which Vista creates. All of this is
: done
:: during the Vista Ultimate install. Am I correct?
::
::
:: :: > But if you create a partition for Vista, using Partition Magic 8, you
:: > "will" have problems. Unfortunately, they may not show up until you
have
:: > invested many hours in building up your system. Then you will be forced
: to
:: > start over, creating a Vista partition using either the Vista install
:: > program or another compatible utility.
:: >
:: > --
:: >
:: >
:: > Regards,
:: >
:: > Richard Urban
:: > Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
:: > (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
:: >
:: >
:: >
:: > :: >> Ah, but I'll be dual booting Vista Ultimate and XP Pro and PM8 *is*
:: >> compatible with XP is it not? The bottom line is I need Ghost 12. The
:: >> Fry's deal provides me with two apps + Ghost12 - FREE!
:: >>
:: >> :: >>> But Partition Magic 8 is not compatible with Windows Vista.
:: >>>
:: >>> Ed Forsythe wrote:
:: >>>> IIRC, Symantec bought out PowerQuest (Partition Magic and Drive
: Image).
:: >>>> Support for Drive Image is marginal at best and the latest version
: (7)
:: >>>> is not compatible with Vista. Ghost V12 seems to be the current king
: of
:: >>>> the imaging crop. I just ordered a package from Fry's. All I wanted
:: >>>> Partition Magic V8 and Ghost V12. Fry's has a deal going that gives
: you
:: >>>> Norton Internet Security (gag), Partition Magic V8, and Ghost V12
for
:: >>>> $70. Now get this! There are two rebates good for $70 so The cost
of
:: >>>> the package is 0! nada, nothing! I plan to sell the Internet
: Security
:: >>>> junk on eBay so I will net a gain - money in the bank. Can't get
:: >>>> better than that.
:: >>>> *But* you better hurry over to Fry's because I think the deal might
:: >>>> expire today.
:: >>>>
:: >>>> :: >>>>> I am trying to partition my HD which has Vista Home basic in order
: to
:: >>>>> create a install for Linux. On XP, I used Partition Magic which
: worked
:: >>>>> well, however Vista will not allow this to run as it apparantly
:: >>>>> incompatible even though this is an NTFS file system, the size of
: the
:: >>>>> HD is 120 GB and there is currently 77 GB free. I don't think
memory
:: >>>>> is an issue as I have 1300 MB free. I think Linux has an EXT file
:: >>>>> format which was possible to create on Partition Magic. The website
:: >>>>> for this program has no info on an upgrade for Vista so I am
: wondering
:: >>>>> if anyone knows of a partitioning program that is compatible with
:: >>>>> Vista or if it is recommended that you try a Linux installation by
:: >>>>> using their partition program. I want to make sure that there are
no
:: >>>>> errors that could wipe out the contents of Vista and other than
:: >>>>> installing on a 2nd drive, the safest bet might be to format first
:: >>>>> before installing Linux. Any comments or suggestions appreciated.
:: >>>>
:: >>
:: >
::
::
:
:
 
R

Richard Urban

Thanks. Exactly as I have seen happen.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)



email sent

--
....winston
MS-MVP WLMd
:I wish you would try that so we can put this to bed - once and for all.
(-:
:
: We all know that Acronis Disk Director Suite ver 10.0.2160 will do all of
: that without causing any problems.
:
: Until I am 100% certain that the latest version of PM will also succeed at
: the resizing/moving/combining tasks I can not, in good faith, recommend
it.
: In fact, based upon what I have found out so far I would have to condemn
it.
:
 
W

...winston

No, it has all to do with Vista's unique and different than XP approach to Ntfs.
--
....winston
MS-MVP WLMd

: Is this not to do with the fact the Vista has a new start up sequence called
: BCD (database) that will not work with previous versions of Windows that use
: a Boot Manager.
:
: You cannot in fact mix and match XP with Vista unless you partition, have
: two HDs or VirtualPC. This link explains.
:
:
:
: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919529
:
:
:
: --
: Ian
:
: : Yes...I do..
: If you install Vista as the second dual boot os...if you load PM8 in XP post
: vista you may see this dialog box since PM8 will not be able to interpret
: Vista's ntfs offset.
: Partition Magic has detected error xxx on the partition starting at sector
: xxxx on disk x.
: The length of the partition in the partition table is incorrect.
: Would you like Partition Magic to fix this error ?
:
: - Choose NO.
:
: This may occur even if the Vista drive is hidden. Additionally the drives
: or partitions after the Vista partition may not be visible to to PM and show
: up(only in PM8/8.01) as bad. If so and you wish to managed them use XP or
: Vista's Disk Management tool.
: --
: ...winston
: MS-MVP WLMd
:
:
: :: Winston, I don't think you understand. I don't intend to use PM8 for
:: anything. I already have a XP Pro box and I intend to install Vista
: Premium
:: so that I may dual boot XP and Vista. As I understand it I can do all
: that
:: is necessary (make a new partition, resize the XP partition etc.) during
: the
:: Vista install.
::
:: :: You can manage the XP o/s, extended dos/logical Ntfs and Fat32 partitions
: in
:: XP with PM8 or XP's Disk Management. If you later install Vista as the
:: second o/s and have two separate drives, with the intent to dual boot use
:: XP's Disk Management to leave unallocated space, preferably at the
: beginning
:: of the second drive prior to installing Vista and install Vista to that
:: unallocated space.
::
:: Once complete you can not use PM8 to manage the Vista paritition or later
:: Vista Disk Management's created partitions.
::
:: If you run PM8 in XP, and it says it found an error on the Vista drive and
:: offers to repair, do not, repeat do not, let it repair.!! You will damage
:: the offset Vista uses for its unique approach to ntfs.
::
:: ...winston
::
:: ::: Richard, of course I won't create a partition using PM. I agree that
: would
::: be inviting disaster. Vista allows me to resize the current XP partition
:: and
::: install Vista on another partition which Vista creates. All of this is
:: done
::: during the Vista Ultimate install. Am I correct?
:::
:::
::: ::: > But if you create a partition for Vista, using Partition Magic 8, you
::: > "will" have problems. Unfortunately, they may not show up until you
: have
::: > invested many hours in building up your system. Then you will be forced
:: to
::: > start over, creating a Vista partition using either the Vista install
::: > program or another compatible utility.
::: >
::: > --
::: >
::: >
::: > Regards,
::: >
::: > Richard Urban
::: > Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
::: > (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
::: >
::: >
::: >
::: > ::: >> Ah, but I'll be dual booting Vista Ultimate and XP Pro and PM8 *is*
::: >> compatible with XP is it not? The bottom line is I need Ghost 12. The
::: >> Fry's deal provides me with two apps + Ghost12 - FREE!
::: >>
::: >> ::: >>> But Partition Magic 8 is not compatible with Windows Vista.
::: >>>
::: >>> Ed Forsythe wrote:
::: >>>> IIRC, Symantec bought out PowerQuest (Partition Magic and Drive
:: Image).
::: >>>> Support for Drive Image is marginal at best and the latest version
:: (7)
::: >>>> is not compatible with Vista. Ghost V12 seems to be the current king
:: of
::: >>>> the imaging crop. I just ordered a package from Fry's. All I wanted
::: >>>> Partition Magic V8 and Ghost V12. Fry's has a deal going that gives
:: you
::: >>>> Norton Internet Security (gag), Partition Magic V8, and Ghost V12
: for
::: >>>> $70. Now get this! There are two rebates good for $70 so The cost
: of
::: >>>> the package is 0! nada, nothing! I plan to sell the Internet
:: Security
::: >>>> junk on eBay so I will net a gain - money in the bank. Can't get
::: >>>> better than that.
::: >>>> *But* you better hurry over to Fry's because I think the deal might
::: >>>> expire today.
::: >>>>
::: >>>> ::: >>>>> I am trying to partition my HD which has Vista Home basic in order
:: to
::: >>>>> create a install for Linux. On XP, I used Partition Magic which
:: worked
::: >>>>> well, however Vista will not allow this to run as it apparantly
::: >>>>> incompatible even though this is an NTFS file system, the size of
:: the
::: >>>>> HD is 120 GB and there is currently 77 GB free. I don't think
: memory
::: >>>>> is an issue as I have 1300 MB free. I think Linux has an EXT file
::: >>>>> format which was possible to create on Partition Magic. The website
::: >>>>> for this program has no info on an upgrade for Vista so I am
:: wondering
::: >>>>> if anyone knows of a partitioning program that is compatible with
::: >>>>> Vista or if it is recommended that you try a Linux installation by
::: >>>>> using their partition program. I want to make sure that there are
: no
::: >>>>> errors that could wipe out the contents of Vista and other than
::: >>>>> installing on a 2nd drive, the safest bet might be to format first
::: >>>>> before installing Linux. Any comments or suggestions appreciated.
::: >>>>
::: >>
::: >
:::
:::
::
::
:
 
W

...winston

Good, and you also to remember to choose No.
....winston
MS-MVP WLMd

: I'm going to say this one more time winston - I DO NOT INTEND TO USE PM8!

: : Yes...I do..
: If you install Vista as the second dual boot os...if you load PM8 in XP
: - Choose NO.
 
W

webster72n

liujing1988 said:
Partition Wizard Home Edition is a free partition manager designed by MT
Solution Ltd. It supports 32/64 bit Windows Operating System including
Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7. Home users can perform complicated
partition operations by using this powerful but free partition manager
to manage their hard disk partition such as Resizing partitions, Copying
partitions, Create partition, Delete partition, Format partition,
Convert partition, Explore partition, Hide partition, Change drive
letter, Set active partition and Partition Recovery.'partitionwizard'
(http://www.partitionwizard.com).

Personally I don't see anything wrong with making this info available,
because it's useful.
The fact that it is free makes it all the more attractive.
To pretend it has to cost something in order to be effective is totally
unrealistic, if not impractical.
Thank you,

Harry,
 

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