P5e3 deluxe, anyone gotten 8GB of 1333 or 1600mhz to work? (OCZ or ?)q9650

[markm75]

I've been trying now for over a week to get this board and the ram i
have to work stable.. so far only 667mhz seems to be stable, though i
havent tried 1066.. Surely i'm not the only one out there running 8GB
of ddr3 1600mhz on this board.. if you have done this and it works,
please post your settings..

In particular.. here is the ram i'm using:

ocz3g16004gk 8-8-8-26 1.8v. (with the 3.0ghz q9650 1333fsb cpu)

If anyone is using 8GB of ram on this board and achieving 1333 or
higher.. please post some suggested settings if you can.. especially
if you happen to have this module..

I'm on the verge of either switching motherboards or maybe ram
vendor.. if anyone else can state they are using the same spec ram
from say corsair etc..

Thanks for any help

PS: here are some of the settings i'm looking for :

AI overclock tuner=
CPU ratio = auto
FSB =
FSB strap to nbridge =
DRAM skew channel a =
dram skew channel b =
dram frequency =
dram timing manual =
RAS to ras delay =
RAS# PRE Time = 9
RAS# ACT Time = 24
ref cycle time =
write recovery time =
read to pre =
read to write and write to read delays =
static read control =
dynamic write control =
ai clock twister =
ai transaction booster =
cpu voltage =
pll voltage =
fsb termination voltage =
dram voltage =
nb voltage =
sb =
clock overcharge voltage =
cpu gtl voltage ref =
north bridge gtl voltage =
cpu spread spectrum =
pcie spread spectrum =

 

[Paul]

I've been trying now for over a week to get this board and the ram i
have to work stable.. so far only 667mhz seems to be stable, though i
havent tried 1066.. Surely i'm not the only one out there running 8GB
of ddr3 1600mhz on this board.. if you have done this and it works,
please post your settings..

In particular.. here is the ram i'm using:

ocz3g16004gk 8-8-8-26 1.8v. (with the 3.0ghz q9650 1333fsb cpu)

If anyone is using 8GB of ram on this board and achieving 1333 or
higher.. please post some suggested settings if you can.. especially
if you happen to have this module..

I'm on the verge of either switching motherboards or maybe ram
vendor.. if anyone else can state they are using the same spec ram
from say corsair etc..

Thanks for any help

PS: here are some of the settings i'm looking for :

AI overclock tuner=
CPU ratio = auto
FSB =
FSB strap to nbridge =
DRAM skew channel a =
dram skew channel b =
dram frequency =
dram timing manual =
RAS to ras delay =
RAS# PRE Time = 9
RAS# ACT Time = 24
ref cycle time =
write recovery time =
read to pre =
read to write and write to read delays =
static read control =
dynamic write control =
ai clock twister =
ai transaction booster =
cpu voltage =
pll voltage =
fsb termination voltage =
dram voltage =
nb voltage =
sb =
clock overcharge voltage =
cpu gtl voltage ref =
north bridge gtl voltage =
cpu spread spectrum =
pcie spread spectrum =

I definitely suggest working incrementally. For example, determining
how far two sticks will work, Then swap in the other two sticks, and
see how they work.

The QVL can tell you a lot about where the limitation is. There is
also a copy of the QVL in the user manual.

P5E3 Deluxe (X38 based motherboard)
http://www.asus.com.tw/886/download/products/1872/1872_10.pdf

P5E3 Premium (X48 based motherboard)
http://www.asus.com.tw/886/download/products/2069/2069_10.pdf

The same pattern emerges in both QVLs. At highest speed, only
two single-sided sticks work. As you drop down in speed,
a condition is reached, where four SS sticks work. With the
odd occurrence of four DS sticks working. And that is at DDR3-1333.

Note that it isn't a capacity issue as such - it has to do with
whether there are 8 chips soldered to a single side of the module,
or 16 chips with 8 chips soldered per side. DS modules have double
the address bus loading. (Try the 2N setting, a.k.a. 2T command rate
setting, for example.)

That means it'll take a bit of tweaking to reach DDR3-1333. The
conditions won't be quite the same as with two sticks, but starting
with two sticks and tuning, might be instructive (you'd run into
fewer outright failures using two sticks).

Articles like this cheat, by using only two single sided DIMMs, and
reach the higher speeds that way. You have to expect some kind of
limit when driving a heavier loading.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3156

So far, I haven't seen any 8GB test results in these Anandtech
articles.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3098

Paul

 

[markm75]

I definitely suggest working incrementally. For example, determining
how far two sticks will work, Then swap in the other two sticks, and
see how they work.

The QVL can tell you a lot about where the limitation is. There is
also a copy of the QVL in the user manual.

P5E3 Deluxe (X38 based motherboard)http://www.asus.com.tw/886/download/products/1872/1872_10.pdf

P5E3 Premium (X48 based motherboard)http://www.asus.com.tw/886/download/products/2069/2069_10.pdf

The same pattern emerges in both QVLs. At highest speed, only
two single-sided sticks work. As you drop down in speed,
a condition is reached, where four SS sticks work. With the
odd occurrence of four DS sticks working. And that is at DDR3-1333.

Note that it isn't a capacity issue as such - it has to do with
whether there are 8 chips soldered to a single side of the module,
or 16 chips with 8 chips soldered per side. DS modules have double
the address bus loading. (Try the 2N setting, a.k.a. 2T command rate
setting, for example.)

That means it'll take a bit of tweaking to reach DDR3-1333. The
conditions won't be quite the same as with two sticks, but starting
with two sticks and tuning, might be instructive (you'd run into
fewer outright failures using two sticks).

Articles like this cheat, by using only two single sided DIMMs, and
reach the higher speeds that way. You have to expect some kind of
limit when driving a heavier loading.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3156

So far, I haven't seen any 8GB test results in these Anandtech
articles.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3098

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I guess my biggest problem in trying to incrementally test this, is
that i'm not really that up on what settings to change and what their
values are doing.. and what the safe limits on each should be..

I'm at the point where i'm thinking i should just take the 667mhz
value and stick with it, but it feels like a huge waste of potential,
though the benchmarks with that memory speed and 3.61 Overclocked, are
decent.. passmark rating of about 2250, though memory speed tests were
in the less than what they should be range obviously.. i forget
exactly, i think about 4000 in everest, where at 1233 it was more like
7000-8000 (on reads and writes).. I'm pretty sure my DDR2 1066 ram did
about the same if not better..

So to gain a few extra slots with my config i've spent $300 to get to
this level

And my CPU temps even with arctic cooler 7 are still about 48C idle,
56C max load.. slightly above where they should be (ambient temp of
about 80 at the altitude where i have the cpu sitting on the shelf)..

That qvl list doesnt really show 8GB combinations.. this brings me
back to my original question that i guess noone out there is running
8GB at that level perhaps (with this board or with OCZ ram maybe)..

I may continue to experiment.. but another deterrant is the fact that
when it bombs it freezes vista probably corrupting files.. so when i
test i will disable my data array and boot up only the C OS drive..
then run prime95 till she freezes (i cant get memtest to crash it yet
but the OS froze overnight at my 1233 test setting)..

 

[Shadow39]

I definitely suggest working incrementally. For example, determining
how far two sticks will work, Then swap in the other two sticks, and
see how they work.

The QVL can tell you a lot about where the limitation is. There is
also a copy of the QVL in the user manual.

P5E3 Deluxe (X38 based
motherboard)http://www.asus.com.tw/886/download/products/1872/1872_10.pdf

P5E3 Premium (X48 based
motherboard)http://www.asus.com.tw/886/download/products/2069/2069_10.pdf

The same pattern emerges in both QVLs. At highest speed, only
two single-sided sticks work. As you drop down in speed,
a condition is reached, where four SS sticks work. With the
odd occurrence of four DS sticks working. And that is at DDR3-1333.

Note that it isn't a capacity issue as such - it has to do with
whether there are 8 chips soldered to a single side of the module,
or 16 chips with 8 chips soldered per side. DS modules have double
the address bus loading. (Try the 2N setting, a.k.a. 2T command rate
setting, for example.)

That means it'll take a bit of tweaking to reach DDR3-1333. The
conditions won't be quite the same as with two sticks, but starting
with two sticks and tuning, might be instructive (you'd run into
fewer outright failures using two sticks).

Articles like this cheat, by using only two single sided DIMMs, and
reach the higher speeds that way. You have to expect some kind of
limit when driving a heavier loading.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3156

So far, I haven't seen any 8GB test results in these Anandtech
articles.

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3098

Paul- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I guess my biggest problem in trying to incrementally test this, is
that i'm not really that up on what settings to change and what their
values are doing.. and what the safe limits on each should be..

I'm at the point where i'm thinking i should just take the 667mhz
value and stick with it, but it feels like a huge waste of potential,
though the benchmarks with that memory speed and 3.61 Overclocked, are
decent.. passmark rating of about 2250, though memory speed tests were
in the less than what they should be range obviously.. i forget
exactly, i think about 4000 in everest, where at 1233 it was more like
7000-8000 (on reads and writes).. I'm pretty sure my DDR2 1066 ram did
about the same if not better..

So to gain a few extra slots with my config i've spent $300 to get to
this level

And my CPU temps even with arctic cooler 7 are still about 48C idle,
56C max load.. slightly above where they should be (ambient temp of
about 80 at the altitude where i have the cpu sitting on the shelf)..

That qvl list doesnt really show 8GB combinations.. this brings me
back to my original question that i guess noone out there is running
8GB at that level perhaps (with this board or with OCZ ram maybe)..

I may continue to experiment.. but another deterrant is the fact that
when it bombs it freezes vista probably corrupting files.. so when i
test i will disable my data array and boot up only the C OS drive..
then run prime95 till she freezes (i cant get memtest to crash it yet
but the OS froze overnight at my 1233 test setting)..

 

[Robin Bignall]

I guess my biggest problem in trying to incrementally test this, is
that i'm not really that up on what settings to change and what their
values are doing.. and what the safe limits on each should be..

I have a P5E3 deluxe with four OCZ 1GB Gold Edition Memory DDR3
1333MHz modules. I don't overclock and accepted the defaults in the
BIOS. It works fine.

I'm at the point where i'm thinking i should just take the 667mhz
value and stick with it, but it feels like a huge waste of potential,
though the benchmarks with that memory speed and 3.61 Overclocked, are
decent.. passmark rating of about 2250, though memory speed tests were
in the less than what they should be range obviously.. i forget
exactly, i think about 4000 in everest, where at 1233 it was more like
7000-8000 (on reads and writes).. I'm pretty sure my DDR2 1066 ram did
about the same if not better..

So to gain a few extra slots with my config i've spent $300 to get to
this level

And my CPU temps even with arctic cooler 7 are still about 48C idle,
56C max load.. slightly above where they should be (ambient temp of
about 80 at the altitude where i have the cpu sitting on the shelf)..

I used the standard Intel cooler and CPU (3x3 Gig Core2duo) temps were
fine (22 C to 38 C) but had problems with a high m/b temp (creeping up
to 60 C). I installed an extra fan in the middle position of my Antec
P180 case, but it had to run full blast to get the m/b down to 45 C. I
replaced the Intel with an Akasa AK-925 Revo CPU Cooler (a bit pricey)
which has a fan with a horizontal axis that pulls air over the m/b,
and all fans are now set to minimum.

 

[markm75]

I guess my biggest problem in trying to incrementally test this, is
that i'm not really that up on what settings to change and what their
values are doing.. and what the safe limits on each should be..

I'm at the point where i'm thinking i should just take the 667mhz
value and stick with it, but it feels like a huge waste of potential,
though the benchmarks with that memory speed and 3.61 Overclocked, are
decent.. passmark rating of about 2250, though memory speed tests were
in the less than what they should be range obviously.. i forget
exactly, i think about 4000 in everest, where at 1233 it was more like
7000-8000 (on reads and writes).. I'm pretty sure my DDR2 1066 ram did
about the same if not better..

So to gain a few extra slots with my config i've spent $300 to get to
this level

And my CPU temps even with arctic cooler 7 are still about 48C idle,
56C max load.. slightly above where they should be (ambient temp of
about 80 at the altitude where i have the cpu sitting on the shelf)..

That qvl list doesnt really show 8GB combinations.. this brings me
back to my original question that i guess noone out there is running
8GB at that level perhaps (with this board or with OCZ ram maybe)..

I may continue to experiment.. but another deterrant is the fact that
when it bombs it freezes vista probably corrupting files.. so when i
test i will disable my data array and boot up only the C OS drive..
then run prime95 till she freezes (i cant get memtest to crash it yet
but the OS froze overnight at my 1233 test setting)..
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Are you running the voltage for your ram at stock settings? With 8 gigs of
ram on that board, you should bump the voltage up a little.
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Ill have to double check, but i think i have the ram set to 1.85 as of
now.. (i tweaked settings again, going to try prime95, wondering if
the freezing could actually be because the cpu temp gets too high and
not the ram).. i think the NB voltage is at 1.51 at this point.. these
are the two values i'm really not sure what to set them at..

Also.. speedfan reports temps about 5 degrees cooler than coretemp
does..
IE: right now in bios i'm reading 49C for cpu (40C for motherboard)..

What could be the reason for a cpu installed incorrectly, ie: not
sure what could be wrong, except for maybe amounts of arctic silver..
though against conventional wisdom, putting more than just a thin
layer on the cpu, actually brought the temps down a few C...

 

[markm75]

Ill have to double check, but i think i have the ram set to 1.85 as of
now.. (i tweaked settings again, going to try prime95, wondering if
the freezing could actually be because the cpu temp gets too high and
not the ram).. i think the NB voltage is at 1.51 at this point.. these
are the two values i'm really not sure what to set them at..

Also.. speedfan reports temps about 5 degrees cooler than coretemp
does..
IE:  right now in bios i'm reading 49C for cpu (40C for motherboard)..

What could be the reason for a cpu installed incorrectly, ie:  not
sure what could be wrong, except for maybe amounts of arctic silver..
though against conventional wisdom, putting more than just a thin
layer on the cpu, actually brought the temps down a few C...- Hide quotedtext -

- Show quoted text -

I still cant get this to run stable, even at 800mhz ddr3 on this p5e3
deluxe:

IE: i run prime95, come back hours later only to find the usb is dead
on the machine.. keyboard off, screen frozen.. I'm still assuming this
is a stability issue with the ram on the machine, but i had the ram
set as low as 800mhz when this happens..

Would running prime95 with temps at about 64 max.. cause things to
fail just by being at that temp..

I'm about ready to get rid of this motherboard and ram combo

 

[markm75]

I have a P5E3 deluxe with four OCZ 1GB Gold Edition Memory DDR3
1333MHz modules.  I don't overclock and accepted the defaults in the
BIOS.  It works fine.








I used the standard Intel cooler and CPU (3x3 Gig Core2duo) temps were
fine (22 C to 38 C) but had problems with a high m/b temp (creeping up
to 60 C).  I installed an extra fan in the middle position of my Antec
P180 case, but it had to run full blast to get the m/b down to 45 C. I
replaced the Intel with an Akasa AK-925 Revo CPU Cooler (a bit pricey)
which has a fan with a horizontal axis that pulls air over the m/b,
and all fans are now set to minimum.



--
Robin
(BrE)
Herts, England- Hide quoted text -

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I still cant get this to run stable, even at 800mhz ddr3 on this p5e3
deluxe:

IE: i run prime95, come back hours later only to find the usb is
dead
on the machine.. keyboard off, screen frozen.. I'm still assuming
this
is a stability issue with the ram on the machine, but i had the ram
set as low as 800mhz when this happens..


Would running prime95 with temps at about 64 max.. cause things to
fail just by being at that temp..


I'm about ready to get rid of this motherboard and ram combo

 

[Paul]

I still cant get this to run stable, even at 800mhz ddr3 on this p5e3
deluxe:

IE: i run prime95, come back hours later only to find the usb is dead
on the machine.. keyboard off, screen frozen.. I'm still assuming this
is a stability issue with the ram on the machine, but i had the ram
set as low as 800mhz when this happens..

Would running prime95 with temps at about 64 max.. cause things to
fail just by being at that temp..

I'm about ready to get rid of this motherboard and ram combo

That doesn't sound entirely like a RAM problem. If there was
an error in RAM, in something critical, I'd expect to see a
blue screen. A freeze on the other hand, means a double bus
fault, or a driver stuck in a loop. Maybe something else is
wrong with that system.

If you run with one stick of RAM, do you pass Prime95 ?
Test the sticks one at a time.

Can you pass Prime95 under any conditions ? Are you running
the multithreaded version ?

Try to simplify the hardware configuration, removing extraneous
hardware, and see whether the symptoms change or not.

The CPU is protected at two levels, for temperature issues.
If you go over 70C, the processor "throttles", and the clock
is gated internally. That reduces the compute rate, and should
cause the temperature to drop to a safe level.

If the heatsink falls off, and the temp hits 90C (even with the
CPU throttling), then the THERMTRIP signal from the processor will
shut off the power supply. So you cannot burn the processor.

The different generations of processor, have the temperature
thresholds set to different values. For exact values, check
the datasheet for the processor being used.

If you're not making any progress, you may have to return more
than one of the items to your vendor.

Paul

 

[markm75]

That doesn't sound entirely like a RAM problem. If there was
an error in RAM, in something critical, I'd expect to see a
blue screen. A freeze on the other hand, means a double bus
fault, or a driver stuck in a loop. Maybe something else is
wrong with that system.

If you run with one stick of RAM, do you pass Prime95 ?
Test the sticks one at a time.

Can you pass Prime95 under any conditions ? Are you running
the multithreaded version ?

Try to simplify the hardware configuration, removing extraneous
hardware, and see whether the symptoms change or not.

The CPU is protected at two levels, for temperature issues.
If you go over 70C, the processor "throttles", and the clock
is gated internally. That reduces the compute rate, and should
cause the temperature to drop to a safe level.

If the heatsink falls off, and the temp hits 90C (even with the
CPU throttling), then the THERMTRIP signal from the processor will
shut off the power supply. So you cannot burn the processor.

The different generations of processor, have the temperature
thresholds set to different values. For exact values, check
the datasheet for the processor being used.

If you're not making any progress, you may have to return more
than one of the items to your vendor.

    Paul

I downloaded the x64 version of prime95, i think its multithreaded, it
loads up all cores at 100%.. i'm running the blended test.. what is a
pass.. ie: 24 hours with no errors or failures? So far on yet another
set of memory settings i've gone 8 hours no issues..

Any idea why coretemp reads more like the bios, the temperature.. i'd
prefer to use speedfan though.

Honestly, when i was installing the board, i was worried i may have
scratched one of the lines on the board, when putting in a graphics
card, i had trouble with the bracket on the rear, it may have struck
the board on putting it in, not sure if that could be the whole usb
freeze thing...

I'll try seperate memory and pulling all extraneous cards later on..

The other thing is the pci slot, i have a capture card there, it
literally pushes up against the first memory stick a little, not sure
if this could be affecting things, this will be the first card to get
pulled when i try that (unless prime95 doesnt crash).

So do you think my coretemp under load of say 65C should be attempted
to get it down any, or just leave it be? I was leaning towards trying
a water cooler, but i cant understand why this arctic cooler wouldnt
do the trick, even with ambients at 27C or so.

Here were the two coolers i was thinking of,

cpu water cooler block http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835118043

or..

There is this one that one person recommended.. not sure what
justifies the $122 price (vs $45 above):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835108100

 

[david]

So do you think my coretemp under load of say 65C should be attempted to
get it down any, or just leave it be? I was leaning towards trying a
water cooler, but i cant understand why this arctic cooler wouldnt do
the trick, even with ambients at 27C or so.

65C under load is not too bad.

 

[markm75]

65C under load is not too bad.

Since i cant run stable, and still slightly hot.. i decided to replace
the arctic cooler (45cfm) with these two:
$37 72-99 CFM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233003

(and using this fan inplace of the one it comes with: 110CFM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835185060 )

I'm hoping this will be a better performer than the arctic cooler 7..
and also i have ordered the retention bracket for better mounting..

 

[markm75]

Since i cant run stable, and still slightly hot.. i decided to replace
the arctic cooler (45cfm) with these two:
$37 72-99 CFMhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835233003

(and using this fan inplace of the one it comes with: 110CFMhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835185060)

I'm hoping this will be a better performer than the arctic cooler 7..
and also i have ordered the retention bracket for better mounting..

I should add, i was able to run OCCT mixed mode for 2hrs without a
crash, however, just before this, i tried it for the first time and
the system froze (no usb glitch though).. puzzled here.. prime95
failed after 10 hours.. i guess ill re-run the occt mixed mode for
like 8 hours and see if it tanks