OUTLOOK EXPRESS

[DWIGHT CALKINS]

I HAVE UPDATED MY COMPUTERS OPERATING SOFTWARE FROM ME TO
XP PROFESSTIONAL. I HAVE ALSO DOWNLOAD SP1 PATCH. MY
PROBLEM IS I CAN NOT RUN OUTLOOK EXPRESS. THE THE
MESSAGE IS "OUTLOOK EXPRESS COULD NOT BE STARTED BECAUSE
MSOE.DLL COULD NOT BE INITIALIZED. HOW DO I FIX THIS
PROBLEM.

(e-mail address removed)

 

[Tom Foolery]

First, turn off your CAPS LOCK, as this is paramount to shouting in
newsgroup traffic!! Then, go to this site:

http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/errors.htm

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP IE/OE]

I HAVE UPDATED MY COMPUTERS OPERATING SOFTWARE FROM ME TO
XP PROFESSTIONAL. I HAVE ALSO DOWNLOAD SP1 PATCH. MY
PROBLEM IS I CAN NOT RUN OUTLOOK EXPRESS. THE THE
MESSAGE IS "OUTLOOK EXPRESS COULD NOT BE STARTED BECAUSE
MSOE.DLL COULD NOT BE INITIALIZED. HOW DO I FIX THIS
PROBLEM.

(e-mail address removed)

From http://www.fjsmjs.com/OE/directdb.htm

Errors in DIRECTDB.DLL or MSOE.DLL generally indicate corruption in the
message store.
Start by moving Folders.dbx to an empty Windows folder. Note: the DBX
files are hidden in Win2K, WinXP and Win2K3. You will lose your folder
hierarchy and the lists of newsgroups on the news servers, but it might get
you into OE.

If that doesn't do it then move all of the DBX files to the same folder as
Folders.dbx. You should now get into OE. Try importing the messages from
the folder you moved the DBX files to. If you can't, you can use this tool
to extract the messages:

DBXtract (free):
http://www.oehelp.com/DBXtract/

Note: It can take a long time (days with really large folders).

The messages can then be dragged from the Windows folder back into a folder
in an open instance of OE.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP IE/OE
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Reply to Newsgroup. I won't answer email
Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

 

[Unnamed]

First, turn off your CAPS LOCK, as this is paramount to shouting in

Sorry to be picky but 1) I am sure you mean "tantamount" and 2) No-one likes
a net cop.

Remember, it is "newusers" on the end.

 

[Tom Foolery]

Tantamount. O.K. But I hope you will agree that to write a msg in all caps
is "frowned upon". Just trying to educate the new user, not being a "net
cop". I had to learn, just like you. Thanks for your response. I mean it!

 

[Unnamed]

Tantamount. O.K. But I hope you will agree that to write a msg in all caps
is "frowned upon".

I agree that it IS frowned upon by the NETCOPS. The simple fact is that
every single day there are new users to Internet and you are definitely
going to find a lot of them doing ALL caps. It isnt a bad thing at all
unless you are a Netcop. You can just say "Would you mind not using all caps
for me, please, because it makes it harder for me to read" and achieve the
same purpose without being a netcop. I find new users all the time and I
also find they respond better to that than orders in general.

Just trying to educate the new user, not being a "net
cop". I had to learn, just like you. Thanks for your response. I mean it!

No, it didnt come across that way, honestly. The term "shouting" for all
caps really isnt true if you think about it. Besides, Usenet is an anarchy.
While MS provide this particular news server, I dont suppose they are going
to cut the access of someone to the server because of all caps. Do you?

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP IE/OE]

I agree that it IS frowned upon by the NETCOPS. The simple fact is
that every single day there are new users to Internet and you are
definitely going to find a lot of them doing ALL caps. It isnt a bad
thing at all unless you are a Netcop. You can just say "Would you
mind not using all caps for me, please, because it makes it harder
for me to read" and achieve the same purpose without being a netcop.
I find new users all the time and I also find they respond better to
that than orders in general.


No, it didnt come across that way, honestly. The term "shouting" for
all caps really isnt true if you think about it. Besides, Usenet is
an anarchy. While MS provide this particular news server, I dont
suppose they are going to cut the access of someone to the server
because of all caps. Do you?

1. Tom DID offer help.

2. ALL CAPS IS HARDER TO READ.

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP IE/OE
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Reply to Newsgroup. I won't answer email
Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

 

[Unnamed]

1. Tom DID offer help.

No, he actually DID "Netcop".

2. ALL CAPS IS HARDER TO READ.

Then stop posting that way! Easily done!

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP IE/OE]

No, he actually DID "Netcop".

You didn't read his whole message. He referenced this:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/errors.htm

Then stop posting that way! Easily done!

That was supposed to be a demonstration. Calling it shouting is
eneffective, while giving a real reason is (a bit) more effective.

Besides, you're just as much a netcop for calling him on it. I guess that
makes me one, too. <G>

--
Frank Saunders, MS-MVP IE/OE
http://www.fjsmjs.com
Reply to Newsgroup. I won't answer email
Protect Your PC
http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/

 

[Unnamed]

You didn't read his whole message. He referenced this:
http://insideoe.tomsterdam.com/problems/errors.htm

You selectively read his message. He is TELLING people in "newusers" not to
post using all caps because "that is shouting". THAT is being a NETCOP.
There is nothing worse than being new to something and having the more
experienced acting as if they have the right to tell you what to do. I
remember MY first days on Internet in 1990 and I suffered less of those
ridiculous experiences than people have to go through today. If help is to
be offered, then offer it and make suggestions. Dont TELL people what to do
from a lofty pedestal just BECAUSE you DO happen to know more (I dont mean
YOU, personally, BTW).

That was supposed to be a demonstration. Calling it shouting is
eneffective, while giving a real reason is (a bit) more effective.

Well re-read his message. He called it shouting and told the person not to
do it. 1) If the person wants to post ALL CAPS, there is no rule saying he
cant. Calling it SHOUTING is ridiculous because, just like space, in
newsgroup postings on the MS server, "no-once can hear you scream!" and it
is basically a pointless term to a new person, something you get a lot of,
in here. 2) I sincerely doubt that MS is going to contact the ISP of the
person using ALL CAPS and have them banned from contacting the MS news
server "under penalty" of some sort. So, telling people not to use ALL CAPS
is, once again, useless. 3) If you say to someone "If wouldnt mind NOT
posting in ALL CAPS in future because I find all caps hard to read, it would
be appreciated by myself and maybe others" or similar, you get a hell of a
lot further than just TELLING them what they *HAVE* to do. Once again, this
is a NEW users newsgroup.

Besides, you're just as much a netcop for calling him on it. I guess that
makes me one, too. <G>

Nope. Read my message to him.

 

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

You selectively read his message. He is TELLING people in "newusers"
not to post using all caps because "that is shouting". THAT is being
a NETCOP. There is nothing worse than being new to something and
having the more experienced acting as if they have the right to tell
you what to do. I remember MY first days on Internet in 1990 and I
suffered less of those ridiculous experiences than people have to go
through today. If help is to be offered, then offer it and make
suggestions. Dont TELL people what to do from a lofty pedestal just
BECAUSE you DO happen to know more (I dont mean YOU, personally, BTW).


Well re-read his message. He called it shouting and told the person
not to do it. 1) If the person wants to post ALL CAPS, there is no
rule saying he cant. Calling it SHOUTING is ridiculous because, just
like space, in newsgroup postings on the MS server, "no-once can hear
you scream!" and it is basically a pointless term to a new person,
something you get a lot of, in here. 2) I sincerely doubt that MS is
going to contact the ISP of the person using ALL CAPS and have them
banned from contacting the MS news server "under penalty" of some
sort. So, telling people not to use ALL CAPS is, once again, useless.
3) If you say to someone "If wouldnt mind NOT posting in ALL CAPS in
future because I find all caps hard to read, it would be appreciated
by myself and maybe others" or similar, you get a hell of a lot
further than just TELLING them what they *HAVE* to do. Once again,
this is a NEW users newsgroup.


Nope. Read my message to him.

Using plain text to try and get a point across is difficult. The result is
that you use certain things like emoticons to enhance and add emotion to the
message. posting in all caps has always been the way to express a raised
voice (yelling) and always will be.

For people who have been using newsgroups for many years like Frank and
others, this means something. There are many regulars here who will simply
pass by any messages posted in all caps which means that the OP has a
slimmer chance of getting an answer.

What Tom did for the OP was a service, not anything derogatory. Calling him
what you percieve as a derogatory name is uncalled for in this context. If
anyone in this thread deserves the title of netcop, it is you since you seem
to want to aggressively dictate the rules to conform to your own way of
doing things.

--
Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP-Windows Shell/User

Please reply to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://www.mvps.org

 

[Its only me]

Why dont you GET A ****ING LIFE?

Sorry to be picky but 1) I am sure you mean "tantamount" and 2) No-one likes
a net cop.

Remember, it is "newusers" on the end.

 

[Unnamed]

Using plain text to try and get a point across is difficult. The result is
that you use certain things like emoticons to enhance and add emotion to the
message. posting in all caps has always been the way to express a raised
voice (yelling) and always will be.

Only to the Netcops who want things to be a certain way and that is that -
or - to someone who runs a server and has the right to force that to be the
case. In the latter case, fair enough. If they run it then they have the
right to foce that.

For people who have been using newsgroups for many years like Frank and
others, this means something. There are many regulars here who will simply
pass by any messages posted in all caps which means that the OP has a
slimmer chance of getting an answer.

That is because they are being elitist. If they just stopped, for a moment,
to remember their first days, they wouldnt look down their noses at newbies.

What Tom did for the OP was a service, not anything derogatory. Calling him
what you percieve as a derogatory name is uncalled for in this context. If

He was being a netcop and telling the poster to post in his fashion and
nothing else. That isnt anything but a Netcop. Pointing this Netcop attitude
out to him is not being a netcop myself nor being derogatory. It is actually
letting him know that on a newsgroup where there is no rule to do that or be
kicked off, no-one has the right to tell people to do anything. Usenet
always will be an anarchy until someone buys it and controls all of it. I
know of only one person who could theoretically do that and I know he
wouldnt contemplate that waste of money.

anyone in this thread deserves the title of netcop, it is you since you seem
to want to aggressively dictate the rules to conform to your own way of
doing things.

Again, you have the bull by the balls. I pointed out being a netcop is
nasty. You perceive a change to the way you like things to be nasty and you
make no space for newbies or the fact that Usenet runs as it will and not
the way you want it. In short, grow up!

 

[Ronnie Vernon MVP]

Only to the Netcops who want things to be a certain way and that is
that - or - to someone who runs a server and has the right to force
that to be the case. In the latter case, fair enough. If they run it
then they have the right to foce that.


That is because they are being elitist. If they just stopped, for a
moment, to remember their first days, they wouldnt look down their
noses at newbies.


He was being a netcop and telling the poster to post in his fashion
and nothing else. That isnt anything but a Netcop. Pointing this
Netcop attitude out to him is not being a netcop myself nor being
derogatory. It is actually letting him know that on a newsgroup where
there is no rule to do that or be kicked off, no-one has the right to
tell people to do anything. Usenet always will be an anarchy until
someone buys it and controls all of it. I know of only one person who
could theoretically do that and I know he wouldnt contemplate that
waste of money.


Again, you have the bull by the balls. I pointed out being a netcop is
nasty. You perceive a change to the way you like things to be nasty
and you make no space for newbies or the fact that Usenet runs as it
will and not the way you want it. In short, grow up!

Isn't this exactly what you are doing? Trying to force people to accept and
conform to your perceptions and rules? Kinda like the anti-violence
protestor that shoots the soldier. This puts you in the same category as a
"netcop." (whatever that means)

You seem to be saying that newsgroups should be a free for all with no
rules?

--
Ronnie Vernon
Microsoft MVP-Windows Shell/User

Please reply to the newsgroup so all may benefit.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://www.mvps.org

 

[Unnamed]

Isn't this exactly what you are doing? Trying to force people to accept and
conform to your perceptions and rules? Kinda like the anti-violence
protestor that shoots the soldier. This puts you in the same category as a
"netcop." (whatever that means)

You seem to be saying that newsgroups should be a free for all with no
rules?

You seem to be advocating "do it my way or get out"

 

[Rifleman]

You seem to be advocating "do it my way or get out"

It is Usenet etiquette and just plain common courtesy to adhere to the
customs of each group. Thus the Netscape groups have a custom of bottom
posting, as do MOST decent technical groups. Other groups vary.

 

[Unnamed]

as

It is Usenet etiquette and just plain common courtesy to adhere to the
customs of each group. Thus the Netscape groups have a custom of bottom
posting, as do MOST decent technical groups. Other groups vary.

A) Netscape doesn't control Usenet so anything they put there is actually on
topic only by accident.

B) "Usenet etiquette" doesn't exist. Whether someone complies with what YOU
happen to think is right, or not, is purely up to the person. Thus, Usenet
is an anarchy.

C) Telling someone to comply to what you may think is right - eg, in this
case posting in all CAPS being considered not right - is being a NET COP.
Replying to them saying that it is considered bad taste and asking them if
they wouldn't mind NOT using all caps is an altogether different and polite
thing. TELLING them to conform is being a NETCOP.

Whether someone WANTS to post all caps or not is purely beside the point.
The truth is that they could post disgusting binaries here if they wished.
What gets posted on a private server is up to the owner of the server, in
this case MS. If they don't specifically tell you "Don't post all caps or
lose your access" and enforce it, then there is no reason for others to act
as if THEY owned the server, either.

What people arguing about this opposite to me forget is that the end of the
name in this newsgroup is "newusers" and they really need to keep that in
mind, be helpful and stop jumping on people. Are they so arrogant in their
knowledge, nowadays, that they forget their own first days or are they so
young they cant remember them?

 

[Sharon F]

Telling someone to comply to what you may think is right - eg, in this
case posting in all CAPS being considered not right - is being a NET COP.

I think it's a service to give a newbie a clue about general netiquette. At
least I regarded it as such when I first started participating. An
informative "by the way" is a friendly way to do that and will help to make
that new person's continued use of newsgroups more pleasant.

If you want to see newbies (or anyone for that matter) seriously raked over
the coals for all caps, top posting, invalid headers - whatever - spend
about 5 minutes in one of the alt.comp* groups. You can find excellent
information in those groups but you will also find that tolerance for
netiquette mistakes is much lower.

 

[Its only me]

What is the big deal about so called "top posting"? When you hit the reply
to group button, the cursor is automatically placed at the TOP of the
message. If top posting is considered SO EVIL, why not make the cursor
appear at the end of a message?

 

[Robyn]

What is top posting, please?
Robyn

Telling someone to comply to what you may think is right - eg, in this
case posting in all CAPS being considered not right - is being a NET COP.

I think it's a service to give a newbie a clue about general netiquette. At
least I regarded it as such when I first started participating. An
informative "by the way" is a friendly way to do that and will help to make
that new person's continued use of newsgroups more pleasant.

If you want to see newbies (or anyone for that matter) seriously raked over
the coals for all caps, top posting, invalid headers - whatever - spend
about 5 minutes in one of the alt.comp* groups. You can find excellent
information in those groups but you will also find that tolerance for
netiquette mistakes is much lower.