Outlook 2003/2007 - use push like PDA?

G

Guest

Ok, I don't get it. MS has setup the capability for my highly mobile
non-secure device to attach to an exchange 2003 sp2 server without the need
for a vpn for calendar, contacts, email etc but what, outlook 2003/2007
aren't secure enough to allow that kind of thing?

I am driving myself nutts right now. I have my Treo700W setup using push
with an exchange server, it's working FLAWLESSLY - LOVE IT...But I can't get
my computer with either Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007 to do the same.

The company I work for has a crappy at best IT department, basically when
they don't feel like doing something their answer to everything is "it's not
supported [take a hike]"...Amazing they keep their jobs yes, but I can't
depend on them for anything, information, config help - nothing.

I know that if my Treo700W can connect/attach in this manner that their has
GOT to be some way for outlook to do it, a reg hack, an addin - SOMETHING...

Anyone?
 
R

Roady [MVP]

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Access your email from outside
the corporation? Ask them what methods they have made available to you and
the related settings;
-VPN
-RPC over HTTP(s)
-OWA
-IMAP
-etc...
 
G

Guest

I thought I was clear on that...Sorry, I am trying to "attach" to the
exchange server in the same or similar method that outlook does when it's on
the same network as an exchange server or through a vpn but without either of
those two criteria. I am quite aware of other connection methods as well.

My question is this, my Treo700W can do this via push - no vpn, not on the
same network and it has no problem getting email, calendar items etc and
keeping them in sync with the server. Ironically, so do Macintosh systems,
they can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being configured for RPC over
HTTP using OWA/OMA - whatever.

My question is, if a Treo700W can do it, and now I'm adding to that, a
Macintosh can also do it via Entourage - why can't Outlook? I can see 2003
not being able to fine, it's new functionality server side with SP2 - I know
that. But Outlook/Office in general are also updated regularly, why wouldn't
this be reflected? Lets leave that question aside and now look at Outlook
2007 - should have at LEAST the functionality that Entourage has right?
Nope...Ok, but it's GOTTA BE more robust than a freaking PDA right? Nope...

So, in summary and from experience, I'm thinking this had to of annoyed
someone else enough to come up with a reg tweak or a 3rd party add in or
something to get around this in Outlook 2003 or 2007 and I'm just looking to
see where that info is if indeed it exists.

Roady said:
What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Access your email from outside
the corporation? Ask them what methods they have made available to you and
the related settings;
-VPN
-RPC over HTTP(s)
-OWA
-IMAP
-etc...

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
Ok, I don't get it. MS has setup the capability for my highly mobile
non-secure device to attach to an exchange 2003 sp2 server without the
need
for a vpn for calendar, contacts, email etc but what, outlook 2003/2007
aren't secure enough to allow that kind of thing?

I am driving myself nutts right now. I have my Treo700W setup using push
with an exchange server, it's working FLAWLESSLY - LOVE IT...But I can't
get
my computer with either Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007 to do the same.

The company I work for has a crappy at best IT department, basically when
they don't feel like doing something their answer to everything is "it's
not
supported [take a hike]"...Amazing they keep their jobs yes, but I can't
depend on them for anything, information, config help - nothing.

I know that if my Treo700W can connect/attach in this manner that their
has
GOT to be some way for outlook to do it, a reg hack, an addin -
SOMETHING...

Anyone?
 
G

Guest

I thought I was clear on that...Sorry, I am trying to "attach" to the
exchange server in the same or similar method that outlook does when it's on
the same network as an exchange server or through a vpn but without either of
those two criteria. I am quite aware of other connection methods as well.

My question is this, my Treo700W can do this via push - no vpn, not on the
same network and it has no problem getting email, calendar items etc and
keeping them in sync with the server. Ironically, so do Macintosh systems,
they can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being configured for RPC over
HTTP using OWA/OMA - whatever.

My question is, if a Treo700W can do it, and now I'm adding to that, a
Macintosh can also do it via Entourage - why can't Outlook? I can see 2003
not being able to fine, it's new functionality server side with SP2 - I know
that. But Outlook/Office in general are also updated regularly, why wouldn't
this be reflected? Lets leave that question aside and now look at Outlook
2007 - should have at LEAST the functionality that Entourage has right?
Nope...Ok, but it's GOTTA BE more robust than a freaking PDA right? Nope...

So, in summary and from experience, I'm thinking this had to of annoyed
someone else enough to come up with a reg tweak or a 3rd party add in or
something to get around this in Outlook 2003 or 2007 and I'm just looking to
see where that info is if indeed it exists.

Roady said:
What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Access your email from outside
the corporation? Ask them what methods they have made available to you and
the related settings;
-VPN
-RPC over HTTP(s)
-OWA
-IMAP
-etc...

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
Ok, I don't get it. MS has setup the capability for my highly mobile
non-secure device to attach to an exchange 2003 sp2 server without the
need
for a vpn for calendar, contacts, email etc but what, outlook 2003/2007
aren't secure enough to allow that kind of thing?

I am driving myself nutts right now. I have my Treo700W setup using push
with an exchange server, it's working FLAWLESSLY - LOVE IT...But I can't
get
my computer with either Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007 to do the same.

The company I work for has a crappy at best IT department, basically when
they don't feel like doing something their answer to everything is "it's
not
supported [take a hike]"...Amazing they keep their jobs yes, but I can't
depend on them for anything, information, config help - nothing.

I know that if my Treo700W can connect/attach in this manner that their
has
GOT to be some way for outlook to do it, a reg hack, an addin -
SOMETHING...

Anyone?
 
R

Roady [MVP]

"they (Entourage) can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being configured
for RPC over HTTP using OWA/OMA"
Incorrect; OWA has to be configured in order for push email to work.

In some cases (depends on a variety of security settings and configurations)
you can use the HTTP account type to connect to the Exchange server.

The fact that your company offers Push Email access but not any other type
of outside access makes me think they are overlooking it and have some other
server misconfigurations as well. When offering remote access you usually do
this for several protocols and not just Push Email and thus making
(superior)VPN or HTTP over RPC the preferred connenction method over Push
Email which is mainly designed for mobile devices.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
I thought I was clear on that...Sorry, I am trying to "attach" to the
exchange server in the same or similar method that outlook does when it's
on
the same network as an exchange server or through a vpn but without either
of
those two criteria. I am quite aware of other connection methods as well.

My question is this, my Treo700W can do this via push - no vpn, not on the
same network and it has no problem getting email, calendar items etc and
keeping them in sync with the server. Ironically, so do Macintosh systems,
they can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being configured for RPC over
HTTP using OWA/OMA - whatever.

My question is, if a Treo700W can do it, and now I'm adding to that, a
Macintosh can also do it via Entourage - why can't Outlook? I can see 2003
not being able to fine, it's new functionality server side with SP2 - I
know
that. But Outlook/Office in general are also updated regularly, why
wouldn't
this be reflected? Lets leave that question aside and now look at Outlook
2007 - should have at LEAST the functionality that Entourage has right?
Nope...Ok, but it's GOTTA BE more robust than a freaking PDA right?
Nope...

So, in summary and from experience, I'm thinking this had to of annoyed
someone else enough to come up with a reg tweak or a 3rd party add in or
something to get around this in Outlook 2003 or 2007 and I'm just looking
to
see where that info is if indeed it exists.

Roady said:
What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Access your email from outside
the corporation? Ask them what methods they have made available to you
and
the related settings;
-VPN
-RPC over HTTP(s)
-OWA
-IMAP
-etc...

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
Ok, I don't get it. MS has setup the capability for my highly mobile
non-secure device to attach to an exchange 2003 sp2 server without the
need
for a vpn for calendar, contacts, email etc but what, outlook 2003/2007
aren't secure enough to allow that kind of thing?

I am driving myself nutts right now. I have my Treo700W setup using
push
with an exchange server, it's working FLAWLESSLY - LOVE IT...But I
can't
get
my computer with either Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007 to do the same.

The company I work for has a crappy at best IT department, basically
when
they don't feel like doing something their answer to everything is
"it's
not
supported [take a hike]"...Amazing they keep their jobs yes, but I
can't
depend on them for anything, information, config help - nothing.

I know that if my Treo700W can connect/attach in this manner that their
has
GOT to be some way for outlook to do it, a reg hack, an addin -
SOMETHING...

Anyone?
 
G

Guest

In response to the first portion, mis-understanding there...they are using
OWA/OMA (whatever) via HTTP in Entourage without RPC over HTTP being
enabled/configured on the server. I guess I missed a comma or something there
to faciliate that mis-understanding.

Anyway, I'm not looking for MS supported "work arounds"...I just know often
folks on the MS newsgroups know of ways around certain things...Just looking
for one on this as again, it strikes me as definetely possible if Entourage
and a PDA can do it that there may be some way to get outlook to do it.

Roady said:
"they (Entourage) can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being configured
for RPC over HTTP using OWA/OMA"
Incorrect; OWA has to be configured in order for push email to work.

In some cases (depends on a variety of security settings and configurations)
you can use the HTTP account type to connect to the Exchange server.

The fact that your company offers Push Email access but not any other type
of outside access makes me think they are overlooking it and have some other
server misconfigurations as well. When offering remote access you usually do
this for several protocols and not just Push Email and thus making
(superior)VPN or HTTP over RPC the preferred connenction method over Push
Email which is mainly designed for mobile devices.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
I thought I was clear on that...Sorry, I am trying to "attach" to the
exchange server in the same or similar method that outlook does when it's
on
the same network as an exchange server or through a vpn but without either
of
those two criteria. I am quite aware of other connection methods as well.

My question is this, my Treo700W can do this via push - no vpn, not on the
same network and it has no problem getting email, calendar items etc and
keeping them in sync with the server. Ironically, so do Macintosh systems,
they can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being configured for RPC over
HTTP using OWA/OMA - whatever.

My question is, if a Treo700W can do it, and now I'm adding to that, a
Macintosh can also do it via Entourage - why can't Outlook? I can see 2003
not being able to fine, it's new functionality server side with SP2 - I
know
that. But Outlook/Office in general are also updated regularly, why
wouldn't
this be reflected? Lets leave that question aside and now look at Outlook
2007 - should have at LEAST the functionality that Entourage has right?
Nope...Ok, but it's GOTTA BE more robust than a freaking PDA right?
Nope...

So, in summary and from experience, I'm thinking this had to of annoyed
someone else enough to come up with a reg tweak or a 3rd party add in or
something to get around this in Outlook 2003 or 2007 and I'm just looking
to
see where that info is if indeed it exists.

Roady said:
What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Access your email from outside
the corporation? Ask them what methods they have made available to you
and
the related settings;
-VPN
-RPC over HTTP(s)
-OWA
-IMAP
-etc...

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Ok, I don't get it. MS has setup the capability for my highly mobile
non-secure device to attach to an exchange 2003 sp2 server without the
need
for a vpn for calendar, contacts, email etc but what, outlook 2003/2007
aren't secure enough to allow that kind of thing?

I am driving myself nutts right now. I have my Treo700W setup using
push
with an exchange server, it's working FLAWLESSLY - LOVE IT...But I
can't
get
my computer with either Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007 to do the same.

The company I work for has a crappy at best IT department, basically
when
they don't feel like doing something their answer to everything is
"it's
not
supported [take a hike]"...Amazing they keep their jobs yes, but I
can't
depend on them for anything, information, config help - nothing.

I know that if my Treo700W can connect/attach in this manner that their
has
GOT to be some way for outlook to do it, a reg hack, an addin -
SOMETHING...

Anyone?
 
R

Roady [MVP]

Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding ;-)

No reg-hack or whatsoever will change the protocol implementation of
Outlook. AFAIK there are no 3rd party connectors available to implement the
Entourage method of dealing with the connection. As I said you can try using
the HTTP mail account type. For the location use;
http://owa.domain.com/exchange/mailboxname/

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
In response to the first portion, mis-understanding there...they are using
OWA/OMA (whatever) via HTTP in Entourage without RPC over HTTP being
enabled/configured on the server. I guess I missed a comma or something
there
to faciliate that mis-understanding.

Anyway, I'm not looking for MS supported "work arounds"...I just know
often
folks on the MS newsgroups know of ways around certain things...Just
looking
for one on this as again, it strikes me as definetely possible if
Entourage
and a PDA can do it that there may be some way to get outlook to do it.

Roady said:
"they (Entourage) can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being
configured
for RPC over HTTP using OWA/OMA"
Incorrect; OWA has to be configured in order for push email to work.

In some cases (depends on a variety of security settings and
configurations)
you can use the HTTP account type to connect to the Exchange server.

The fact that your company offers Push Email access but not any other
type
of outside access makes me think they are overlooking it and have some
other
server misconfigurations as well. When offering remote access you usually
do
this for several protocols and not just Push Email and thus making
(superior)VPN or HTTP over RPC the preferred connenction method over Push
Email which is mainly designed for mobile devices.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
I thought I was clear on that...Sorry, I am trying to "attach" to the
exchange server in the same or similar method that outlook does when
it's
on
the same network as an exchange server or through a vpn but without
either
of
those two criteria. I am quite aware of other connection methods as
well.

My question is this, my Treo700W can do this via push - no vpn, not on
the
same network and it has no problem getting email, calendar items etc
and
keeping them in sync with the server. Ironically, so do Macintosh
systems,
they can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being configured for RPC
over
HTTP using OWA/OMA - whatever.

My question is, if a Treo700W can do it, and now I'm adding to that, a
Macintosh can also do it via Entourage - why can't Outlook? I can see
2003
not being able to fine, it's new functionality server side with SP2 - I
know
that. But Outlook/Office in general are also updated regularly, why
wouldn't
this be reflected? Lets leave that question aside and now look at
Outlook
2007 - should have at LEAST the functionality that Entourage has right?
Nope...Ok, but it's GOTTA BE more robust than a freaking PDA right?
Nope...

So, in summary and from experience, I'm thinking this had to of annoyed
someone else enough to come up with a reg tweak or a 3rd party add in
or
something to get around this in Outlook 2003 or 2007 and I'm just
looking
to
see where that info is if indeed it exists.

:

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Access your email from
outside
the corporation? Ask them what methods they have made available to you
and
the related settings;
-VPN
-RPC over HTTP(s)
-OWA
-IMAP
-etc...

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Ok, I don't get it. MS has setup the capability for my highly mobile
non-secure device to attach to an exchange 2003 sp2 server without
the
need
for a vpn for calendar, contacts, email etc but what, outlook
2003/2007
aren't secure enough to allow that kind of thing?

I am driving myself nutts right now. I have my Treo700W setup using
push
with an exchange server, it's working FLAWLESSLY - LOVE IT...But I
can't
get
my computer with either Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007 to do the same.

The company I work for has a crappy at best IT department, basically
when
they don't feel like doing something their answer to everything is
"it's
not
supported [take a hike]"...Amazing they keep their jobs yes, but I
can't
depend on them for anything, information, config help - nothing.

I know that if my Treo700W can connect/attach in this manner that
their
has
GOT to be some way for outlook to do it, a reg hack, an addin -
SOMETHING...

Anyone?
 
G

Guest

Ehh - no worky...sucks...I'll find a way eventually, I always do :)

Roady said:
Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding ;-)

No reg-hack or whatsoever will change the protocol implementation of
Outlook. AFAIK there are no 3rd party connectors available to implement the
Entourage method of dealing with the connection. As I said you can try using
the HTTP mail account type. For the location use;
http://owa.domain.com/exchange/mailboxname/

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
In response to the first portion, mis-understanding there...they are using
OWA/OMA (whatever) via HTTP in Entourage without RPC over HTTP being
enabled/configured on the server. I guess I missed a comma or something
there
to faciliate that mis-understanding.

Anyway, I'm not looking for MS supported "work arounds"...I just know
often
folks on the MS newsgroups know of ways around certain things...Just
looking
for one on this as again, it strikes me as definetely possible if
Entourage
and a PDA can do it that there may be some way to get outlook to do it.

Roady said:
"they (Entourage) can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being
configured
for RPC over HTTP using OWA/OMA"
Incorrect; OWA has to be configured in order for push email to work.

In some cases (depends on a variety of security settings and
configurations)
you can use the HTTP account type to connect to the Exchange server.

The fact that your company offers Push Email access but not any other
type
of outside access makes me think they are overlooking it and have some
other
server misconfigurations as well. When offering remote access you usually
do
this for several protocols and not just Push Email and thus making
(superior)VPN or HTTP over RPC the preferred connenction method over Push
Email which is mainly designed for mobile devices.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
I thought I was clear on that...Sorry, I am trying to "attach" to the
exchange server in the same or similar method that outlook does when
it's
on
the same network as an exchange server or through a vpn but without
either
of
those two criteria. I am quite aware of other connection methods as
well.

My question is this, my Treo700W can do this via push - no vpn, not on
the
same network and it has no problem getting email, calendar items etc
and
keeping them in sync with the server. Ironically, so do Macintosh
systems,
they can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being configured for RPC
over
HTTP using OWA/OMA - whatever.

My question is, if a Treo700W can do it, and now I'm adding to that, a
Macintosh can also do it via Entourage - why can't Outlook? I can see
2003
not being able to fine, it's new functionality server side with SP2 - I
know
that. But Outlook/Office in general are also updated regularly, why
wouldn't
this be reflected? Lets leave that question aside and now look at
Outlook
2007 - should have at LEAST the functionality that Entourage has right?
Nope...Ok, but it's GOTTA BE more robust than a freaking PDA right?
Nope...

So, in summary and from experience, I'm thinking this had to of annoyed
someone else enough to come up with a reg tweak or a 3rd party add in
or
something to get around this in Outlook 2003 or 2007 and I'm just
looking
to
see where that info is if indeed it exists.

:

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Access your email from
outside
the corporation? Ask them what methods they have made available to you
and
the related settings;
-VPN
-RPC over HTTP(s)
-OWA
-IMAP
-etc...

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Ok, I don't get it. MS has setup the capability for my highly mobile
non-secure device to attach to an exchange 2003 sp2 server without
the
need
for a vpn for calendar, contacts, email etc but what, outlook
2003/2007
aren't secure enough to allow that kind of thing?

I am driving myself nutts right now. I have my Treo700W setup using
push
with an exchange server, it's working FLAWLESSLY - LOVE IT...But I
can't
get
my computer with either Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007 to do the same.

The company I work for has a crappy at best IT department, basically
when
they don't feel like doing something their answer to everything is
"it's
not
supported [take a hike]"...Amazing they keep their jobs yes, but I
can't
depend on them for anything, information, config help - nothing.

I know that if my Treo700W can connect/attach in this manner that
their
has
GOT to be some way for outlook to do it, a reg hack, an addin -
SOMETHING...

Anyone?
 
G

Guest

ehh, didn't work...

Roady said:
Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding ;-)

No reg-hack or whatsoever will change the protocol implementation of
Outlook. AFAIK there are no 3rd party connectors available to implement the
Entourage method of dealing with the connection. As I said you can try using
the HTTP mail account type. For the location use;
http://owa.domain.com/exchange/mailboxname/

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
In response to the first portion, mis-understanding there...they are using
OWA/OMA (whatever) via HTTP in Entourage without RPC over HTTP being
enabled/configured on the server. I guess I missed a comma or something
there
to faciliate that mis-understanding.

Anyway, I'm not looking for MS supported "work arounds"...I just know
often
folks on the MS newsgroups know of ways around certain things...Just
looking
for one on this as again, it strikes me as definetely possible if
Entourage
and a PDA can do it that there may be some way to get outlook to do it.

Roady said:
"they (Entourage) can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being
configured
for RPC over HTTP using OWA/OMA"
Incorrect; OWA has to be configured in order for push email to work.

In some cases (depends on a variety of security settings and
configurations)
you can use the HTTP account type to connect to the Exchange server.

The fact that your company offers Push Email access but not any other
type
of outside access makes me think they are overlooking it and have some
other
server misconfigurations as well. When offering remote access you usually
do
this for several protocols and not just Push Email and thus making
(superior)VPN or HTTP over RPC the preferred connenction method over Push
Email which is mainly designed for mobile devices.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
I thought I was clear on that...Sorry, I am trying to "attach" to the
exchange server in the same or similar method that outlook does when
it's
on
the same network as an exchange server or through a vpn but without
either
of
those two criteria. I am quite aware of other connection methods as
well.

My question is this, my Treo700W can do this via push - no vpn, not on
the
same network and it has no problem getting email, calendar items etc
and
keeping them in sync with the server. Ironically, so do Macintosh
systems,
they can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being configured for RPC
over
HTTP using OWA/OMA - whatever.

My question is, if a Treo700W can do it, and now I'm adding to that, a
Macintosh can also do it via Entourage - why can't Outlook? I can see
2003
not being able to fine, it's new functionality server side with SP2 - I
know
that. But Outlook/Office in general are also updated regularly, why
wouldn't
this be reflected? Lets leave that question aside and now look at
Outlook
2007 - should have at LEAST the functionality that Entourage has right?
Nope...Ok, but it's GOTTA BE more robust than a freaking PDA right?
Nope...

So, in summary and from experience, I'm thinking this had to of annoyed
someone else enough to come up with a reg tweak or a 3rd party add in
or
something to get around this in Outlook 2003 or 2007 and I'm just
looking
to
see where that info is if indeed it exists.

:

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Access your email from
outside
the corporation? Ask them what methods they have made available to you
and
the related settings;
-VPN
-RPC over HTTP(s)
-OWA
-IMAP
-etc...

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Ok, I don't get it. MS has setup the capability for my highly mobile
non-secure device to attach to an exchange 2003 sp2 server without
the
need
for a vpn for calendar, contacts, email etc but what, outlook
2003/2007
aren't secure enough to allow that kind of thing?

I am driving myself nutts right now. I have my Treo700W setup using
push
with an exchange server, it's working FLAWLESSLY - LOVE IT...But I
can't
get
my computer with either Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007 to do the same.

The company I work for has a crappy at best IT department, basically
when
they don't feel like doing something their answer to everything is
"it's
not
supported [take a hike]"...Amazing they keep their jobs yes, but I
can't
depend on them for anything, information, config help - nothing.

I know that if my Treo700W can connect/attach in this manner that
their
has
GOT to be some way for outlook to do it, a reg hack, an addin -
SOMETHING...

Anyone?
 
R

Roady [MVP]

What happens when you try?
What error message do you receive?
Tried toggling SPA?

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
Ehh - no worky...sucks...I'll find a way eventually, I always do :)

Roady said:
Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding ;-)

No reg-hack or whatsoever will change the protocol implementation of
Outlook. AFAIK there are no 3rd party connectors available to implement
the
Entourage method of dealing with the connection. As I said you can try
using
the HTTP mail account type. For the location use;
http://owa.domain.com/exchange/mailboxname/

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
In response to the first portion, mis-understanding there...they are
using
OWA/OMA (whatever) via HTTP in Entourage without RPC over HTTP being
enabled/configured on the server. I guess I missed a comma or something
there
to faciliate that mis-understanding.

Anyway, I'm not looking for MS supported "work arounds"...I just know
often
folks on the MS newsgroups know of ways around certain things...Just
looking
for one on this as again, it strikes me as definetely possible if
Entourage
and a PDA can do it that there may be some way to get outlook to do it.

:

"they (Entourage) can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being
configured
for RPC over HTTP using OWA/OMA"
Incorrect; OWA has to be configured in order for push email to work.

In some cases (depends on a variety of security settings and
configurations)
you can use the HTTP account type to connect to the Exchange server.

The fact that your company offers Push Email access but not any other
type
of outside access makes me think they are overlooking it and have some
other
server misconfigurations as well. When offering remote access you
usually
do
this for several protocols and not just Push Email and thus making
(superior)VPN or HTTP over RPC the preferred connenction method over
Push
Email which is mainly designed for mobile devices.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
I thought I was clear on that...Sorry, I am trying to "attach" to the
exchange server in the same or similar method that outlook does when
it's
on
the same network as an exchange server or through a vpn but without
either
of
those two criteria. I am quite aware of other connection methods as
well.

My question is this, my Treo700W can do this via push - no vpn, not
on
the
same network and it has no problem getting email, calendar items etc
and
keeping them in sync with the server. Ironically, so do Macintosh
systems,
they can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being configured for
RPC
over
HTTP using OWA/OMA - whatever.

My question is, if a Treo700W can do it, and now I'm adding to that,
a
Macintosh can also do it via Entourage - why can't Outlook? I can
see
2003
not being able to fine, it's new functionality server side with
SP2 - I
know
that. But Outlook/Office in general are also updated regularly, why
wouldn't
this be reflected? Lets leave that question aside and now look at
Outlook
2007 - should have at LEAST the functionality that Entourage has
right?
Nope...Ok, but it's GOTTA BE more robust than a freaking PDA right?
Nope...

So, in summary and from experience, I'm thinking this had to of
annoyed
someone else enough to come up with a reg tweak or a 3rd party add
in
or
something to get around this in Outlook 2003 or 2007 and I'm just
looking
to
see where that info is if indeed it exists.

:

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Access your email from
outside
the corporation? Ask them what methods they have made available to
you
and
the related settings;
-VPN
-RPC over HTTP(s)
-OWA
-IMAP
-etc...

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Ok, I don't get it. MS has setup the capability for my highly
mobile
non-secure device to attach to an exchange 2003 sp2 server
without
the
need
for a vpn for calendar, contacts, email etc but what, outlook
2003/2007
aren't secure enough to allow that kind of thing?

I am driving myself nutts right now. I have my Treo700W setup
using
push
with an exchange server, it's working FLAWLESSLY - LOVE IT...But
I
can't
get
my computer with either Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007 to do the
same.

The company I work for has a crappy at best IT department,
basically
when
they don't feel like doing something their answer to everything
is
"it's
not
supported [take a hike]"...Amazing they keep their jobs yes, but
I
can't
depend on them for anything, information, config help - nothing.

I know that if my Treo700W can connect/attach in this manner that
their
has
GOT to be some way for outlook to do it, a reg hack, an addin -
SOMETHING...

Anyone?
 
G

Guest

Either endless authentication prompts, try putting domain in, or not etc keep
getting them endlessly or it says could not contact exchange server - tried
toggling spa, same thing.

Roady said:
What happens when you try?
What error message do you receive?
Tried toggling SPA?

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
Ehh - no worky...sucks...I'll find a way eventually, I always do :)

Roady said:
Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding ;-)

No reg-hack or whatsoever will change the protocol implementation of
Outlook. AFAIK there are no 3rd party connectors available to implement
the
Entourage method of dealing with the connection. As I said you can try
using
the HTTP mail account type. For the location use;
http://owa.domain.com/exchange/mailboxname/

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
In response to the first portion, mis-understanding there...they are
using
OWA/OMA (whatever) via HTTP in Entourage without RPC over HTTP being
enabled/configured on the server. I guess I missed a comma or something
there
to faciliate that mis-understanding.

Anyway, I'm not looking for MS supported "work arounds"...I just know
often
folks on the MS newsgroups know of ways around certain things...Just
looking
for one on this as again, it strikes me as definetely possible if
Entourage
and a PDA can do it that there may be some way to get outlook to do it.

:

"they (Entourage) can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being
configured
for RPC over HTTP using OWA/OMA"
Incorrect; OWA has to be configured in order for push email to work.

In some cases (depends on a variety of security settings and
configurations)
you can use the HTTP account type to connect to the Exchange server.

The fact that your company offers Push Email access but not any other
type
of outside access makes me think they are overlooking it and have some
other
server misconfigurations as well. When offering remote access you
usually
do
this for several protocols and not just Push Email and thus making
(superior)VPN or HTTP over RPC the preferred connenction method over
Push
Email which is mainly designed for mobile devices.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
I thought I was clear on that...Sorry, I am trying to "attach" to the
exchange server in the same or similar method that outlook does when
it's
on
the same network as an exchange server or through a vpn but without
either
of
those two criteria. I am quite aware of other connection methods as
well.

My question is this, my Treo700W can do this via push - no vpn, not
on
the
same network and it has no problem getting email, calendar items etc
and
keeping them in sync with the server. Ironically, so do Macintosh
systems,
they can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being configured for
RPC
over
HTTP using OWA/OMA - whatever.

My question is, if a Treo700W can do it, and now I'm adding to that,
a
Macintosh can also do it via Entourage - why can't Outlook? I can
see
2003
not being able to fine, it's new functionality server side with
SP2 - I
know
that. But Outlook/Office in general are also updated regularly, why
wouldn't
this be reflected? Lets leave that question aside and now look at
Outlook
2007 - should have at LEAST the functionality that Entourage has
right?
Nope...Ok, but it's GOTTA BE more robust than a freaking PDA right?
Nope...

So, in summary and from experience, I'm thinking this had to of
annoyed
someone else enough to come up with a reg tweak or a 3rd party add
in
or
something to get around this in Outlook 2003 or 2007 and I'm just
looking
to
see where that info is if indeed it exists.

:

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Access your email from
outside
the corporation? Ask them what methods they have made available to
you
and
the related settings;
-VPN
-RPC over HTTP(s)
-OWA
-IMAP
-etc...

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Ok, I don't get it. MS has setup the capability for my highly
mobile
non-secure device to attach to an exchange 2003 sp2 server
without
the
need
for a vpn for calendar, contacts, email etc but what, outlook
2003/2007
aren't secure enough to allow that kind of thing?

I am driving myself nutts right now. I have my Treo700W setup
using
push
with an exchange server, it's working FLAWLESSLY - LOVE IT...But
I
can't
get
my computer with either Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007 to do the
same.

The company I work for has a crappy at best IT department,
basically
when
they don't feel like doing something their answer to everything
is
"it's
not
supported [take a hike]"...Amazing they keep their jobs yes, but
I
can't
depend on them for anything, information, config help - nothing.

I know that if my Treo700W can connect/attach in this manner that
their
has
GOT to be some way for outlook to do it, a reg hack, an addin -
SOMETHING...

Anyone?
 
R

Roady [MVP]

As the username you must use your full mail address associated with that
account.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
Either endless authentication prompts, try putting domain in, or not etc
keep
getting them endlessly or it says could not contact exchange server -
tried
toggling spa, same thing.

Roady said:
What happens when you try?
What error message do you receive?
Tried toggling SPA?

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Scott said:
Ehh - no worky...sucks...I'll find a way eventually, I always do :)

:

Thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding ;-)

No reg-hack or whatsoever will change the protocol implementation of
Outlook. AFAIK there are no 3rd party connectors available to
implement
the
Entourage method of dealing with the connection. As I said you can try
using
the HTTP mail account type. For the location use;
http://owa.domain.com/exchange/mailboxname/

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
In response to the first portion, mis-understanding there...they are
using
OWA/OMA (whatever) via HTTP in Entourage without RPC over HTTP being
enabled/configured on the server. I guess I missed a comma or
something
there
to faciliate that mis-understanding.

Anyway, I'm not looking for MS supported "work arounds"...I just
know
often
folks on the MS newsgroups know of ways around certain things...Just
looking
for one on this as again, it strikes me as definetely possible if
Entourage
and a PDA can do it that there may be some way to get outlook to do
it.

:

"they (Entourage) can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being
configured
for RPC over HTTP using OWA/OMA"
Incorrect; OWA has to be configured in order for push email to
work.

In some cases (depends on a variety of security settings and
configurations)
you can use the HTTP account type to connect to the Exchange
server.

The fact that your company offers Push Email access but not any
other
type
of outside access makes me think they are overlooking it and have
some
other
server misconfigurations as well. When offering remote access you
usually
do
this for several protocols and not just Push Email and thus making
(superior)VPN or HTTP over RPC the preferred connenction method
over
Push
Email which is mainly designed for mobile devices.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
I thought I was clear on that...Sorry, I am trying to "attach" to
the
exchange server in the same or similar method that outlook does
when
it's
on
the same network as an exchange server or through a vpn but
without
either
of
those two criteria. I am quite aware of other connection methods
as
well.

My question is this, my Treo700W can do this via push - no vpn,
not
on
the
same network and it has no problem getting email, calendar items
etc
and
keeping them in sync with the server. Ironically, so do Macintosh
systems,
they can connect via HTTP WITHOUT the server being configured for
RPC
over
HTTP using OWA/OMA - whatever.

My question is, if a Treo700W can do it, and now I'm adding to
that,
a
Macintosh can also do it via Entourage - why can't Outlook? I can
see
2003
not being able to fine, it's new functionality server side with
SP2 - I
know
that. But Outlook/Office in general are also updated regularly,
why
wouldn't
this be reflected? Lets leave that question aside and now look at
Outlook
2007 - should have at LEAST the functionality that Entourage has
right?
Nope...Ok, but it's GOTTA BE more robust than a freaking PDA
right?
Nope...

So, in summary and from experience, I'm thinking this had to of
annoyed
someone else enough to come up with a reg tweak or a 3rd party
add
in
or
something to get around this in Outlook 2003 or 2007 and I'm just
looking
to
see where that info is if indeed it exists.

:

What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Access your email
from
outside
the corporation? Ask them what methods they have made available
to
you
and
the related settings;
-VPN
-RPC over HTTP(s)
-OWA
-IMAP
-etc...

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003
http://www.howto-outlook.com/
Outlook FAQ, HowTo, Downloads, Add-Ins and more

-----
Ok, I don't get it. MS has setup the capability for my highly
mobile
non-secure device to attach to an exchange 2003 sp2 server
without
the
need
for a vpn for calendar, contacts, email etc but what, outlook
2003/2007
aren't secure enough to allow that kind of thing?

I am driving myself nutts right now. I have my Treo700W setup
using
push
with an exchange server, it's working FLAWLESSLY - LOVE
IT...But
I
can't
get
my computer with either Outlook 2003 or Outlook 2007 to do the
same.

The company I work for has a crappy at best IT department,
basically
when
they don't feel like doing something their answer to
everything
is
"it's
not
supported [take a hike]"...Amazing they keep their jobs yes,
but
I
can't
depend on them for anything, information, config help -
nothing.

I know that if my Treo700W can connect/attach in this manner
that
their
has
GOT to be some way for outlook to do it, a reg hack, an
addin -
SOMETHING...

Anyone?
 

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