OT: Win98se/ME support lifetime extended by Microsoft

[Joachim Trensz]

But if one application goes it can still take the OS with it... If an
application messes with the hardware it can take the OS with it... of
course, if you always use stable applications it doesn't matter, but in my
experience of Win2K, a crashing application practically never affects even
one other application, let alone the OS.

You're right, and I am not saying that W2k isn't better and more
sophisticated. But for certain purposes (games in my case), WinME is
very good, as it's still faster than 2k/XP for this.

Lomac has started turning things around a bit, it's the first sim I've
seen which works better under 2k/XP, probably due to the more
sophisticated memory management there.

But all others sims so far still run faster under ME, which is why I'm
keeping it.

Achim

 

[Darthy]

So some people say but I have installed ME to two systems now and see
no evidence to support that claim. And ME has system restore which
Win98SE doesn't.

Lucky you... Me was pure SHIT.... it was so bad, that the OEM version
of Win98se didn't stop shipping until WinXP came about. Smaller /
smarter PC companies didn't use WinME.

I tried it out, it was PURE horrible useless crap... but it came in
handy for an IBM notebook when its restore CD failed (stupid IBM) to
work - the newer WinME had drivers for it and worked fine.

 

[Darthy]

OK, I'll install GoBack to Win98SE and see how it is. Thx.

There is only one.... GHOST.

That does the job.

 

[Ajay Tanwar]

Joachim Trensz <[email protected]> thought that a good way to threaten
somebody was to light a stick of dynamite, then call the guy and
hold the burning fuse up to the phone and say:

W2k has a clearly better Network stack, but in terms of stability,
it can't get much better than what I've seen from WinME.

Just curious, do you leave your computer running 24/7, or do you shut
down daily?

My Win 2k/XP machines can usually run months without even a restart (or
until the next MS security patch)

 

[Mart]

OK, I'll install GoBack to Win98SE and see how it is. Thx.

I installed GoBack but uninstalled it a few days later...the
constant brief hard disk access drove me crazy.

 

[McCrack]

Joachim Trensz wrote:

I wouldn't agree to what you're saying about stability where WinME is
concerned. I've been using both WinME and W2k since they've been
released, and both systems have been stable for me, to the extent that
I've forgotten what a blue screen looks like - no kidding or bragging
intended, it's really worked this way for me.

W2k has a clearly better Network stack, but in terms of stability, it
can't get much better than what I've seen from WinME.

Achim

Where did I say ME? But even still saying ME is stable flies against all the
reports of what a POS ME is compared to even Win98SE. I did just install ME
two days ago to another HD and I haven't seen any problems yet so I'm not
saying it is a POS, but many people do say it is. What you say to them?

 

[McCrack]

Joachim Trensz wrote:

Lomac has started turning things around a bit, it's the first sim I've
seen which works better under 2k/XP, probably due to the more
sophisticated memory management there.

IL-2 Sturmovik is better on XP too, and again it's probably because of
memory management in XP is better. My comments are all accurate and correct
regarding Win9x compared to XP. XP is a protected OS and Win9x isn't,
that's reason enough to say it is more stable right there.

 

[McCrack]

Joachim Trensz wrote:

I can't confirm that. Everything I have has been getting updated WinME
drivers released together with the 2k/XP drivers every time new drivers
were released.

Achim

You have an Audigy2? I do and on Win98SE and ME I am stuck using the vxd
drivers that come on the cd packaged with the card because the WDM drivers
creative provide for SE and ME cause serious performance problems on those
OS's. WDM drivers are only good for Win2K and XP.

 

[McCrack]

Andrew wrote:

I wouldn't have thought there is a problem with separate installs, as
long as you don't use them concurrently.

According to MS there is. I had two installs of XP and when I got flagged to
call MS for activation on one of them I was told I couldn't have two
installs of XP even if they are used on the same PC. You are supposed to
buy a license for each install. I don't agree with them but that's how it
is.

 

[McCrack]

Ben Pope wrote:

So uninstall ME or 98se and claim some more...

These are separate HDD's with their own OS and not dual boots. Each HDD
needs an OS to be usable. Doh.

"Win2K and WinXP? Sounds like a waste of a hard drive to me. Practically
the same OS but with a GUI update"

Yea, but it looks good on my resume' when I say I am proficient in *all* of
MS's OS's. If I install BeOS just what will I use it for? Answer: not much.

 

[McCrack]

Darthy wrote:

I tried it out, it was PURE horrible useless crap...

Well, I have it working fine here and it seems just as stable as stable as
Win98SE so far. <shrug>

 

[McCrack]

Mart wrote:

I installed GoBack but uninstalled it a few days later...the
constant brief hard disk access drove me crazy.

Well, that doesn't sound good but I'll give it a test run anyway. Isn't
there an option to tell it to only backup once every 48hrs or once a week
or something like that? You can do that in XP by downloading a registry
hack.

 

[McCrack]

Darthy wrote:

There is only one.... GHOST.

That does the job.

Yea, I've got that too.

 

[McCrack]

~misfit~ wrote:

Yeah, what Bill said. GoBack was in the "Best Software 2003" category in
the magazine I think is the best and most accurate.

OK, I'll install it today.

 

[Highlandish]

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Lucky you... Me was pure SHIT.... it was so bad, that the OEM version
of Win98se didn't stop shipping until WinXP came about. Smaller /
smarter PC companies didn't use WinME.

I tried it out, it was PURE horrible useless crap... but it came in
handy for an IBM notebook when its restore CD failed (stupid IBM) to
work - the newer WinME had drivers for it and worked fine.

I got WinME as a copy from a friend, I installed it, most drivers didn't
work, I updated it and I had multiple BSOD's, I formatted and went back to
W98SE, when XP came out I updated to that and honestly I rarely get a crash
at all.

 

[Ragamuffín]

In

I got WinME as a copy from a friend, I installed it, most drivers didn't
work, I updated it and I had multiple BSOD's, I formatted and went back to
W98SE, when XP came out I updated to that and honestly I rarely get a crash
at all.

My first post to this thread here. I've been away. I run a 9600pro
and visit time to time...
I'm have been running ME on this machine for over two years. Have
LOT'S of prgms & games installed. I do some video rendering also at
times, which can be very disrupting to the OS. It's been quite
stable. I find that the biggest problem for me with ME is the
resource limits. So long as I don't do too much at one time,
everything's fine. And I DO multi-task. Most days I have at least 3
instances of Agent open & dl'g, Netscape and/or IE, 2 or 3 instances
of Win Explorer, ACDSee, and I'll be burning a CD at the same time.
No problems.

I do the 'PC work' for the family and I've installed ME on 2
machines for my brothers and they always say "it's working great".
Another sister bought a Gateway about 2 yrs ago with ME installed and
it's still going. They have three kids that 'play on it' besides
themselves and have had no problems out of the ordinary.

I just installed ME on a back-up/testing machine. There was a
shutdown problem caused by the video drivers. (a G400) Swapped it out
for an 8500LE I had and all's well now.

The first thing I do after installing ME is to disable the Restore
feature. I also add a couple of cache tweaks to sys.ini that I found
somewhere on the web. In my experience, Restore is the biggest
problem it has. I use a tool called "System Restore Remover Pro".
Should be still available, check Google. If I need to back-track from
a bad program install, I'll just uninstall the thing and do a Reg
restore from DOS to make sure I'm back to where I was.

That's my 2¢.. Games work great, boots fast, smaller footprint,
familiar GUI, no activation...

Rags