OT: Missing MVP's

[Nancy Jackman]

Addition to my last:

O.K.

I looked at it.

But it seems to require logging in with a Windows Live Mail ID to a
"special" server.

No?

If so, why would anyone want to do that and open oneself up to all sorts of
invasive techniques by hackers and government agents.

Do you REALLY think the General Public is so GULLIBLE?

Well, SOME folks certainly ARE. So you DO have some evidence for their
gullibility.

Microsoft even has a disclaimer that tells us the "Community Forums NNTP
bridge" is not really a MS product -- or you're logging into a SERVER that
is NOT a MS APPLICATION....

Or something of the sort...

It's Aesopian.

Someone at MS should learn to be a better MARKETER...

With TRANSPARENCY.

Nancy

"Nancy Jackman" wrote in message

Yes, but it's just yet another little software program of uncertain pedigree
and value to clutter things up.

If it has no real advantages why go through the time-wasted of installing it
and then removing it?

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message

"Microsoft has what they call an nntp Bridge
available to do this, but even better is the "Community Forums NNTP
bridge," which you get for free here:
<http://communitybridge.codeplex.com>

Why is it "even better"?

Try it and see for yourself. It's free and you don't have to make any
real commitment to it.

As with many things, I recommend trying the alternatives (especially
when they are all free, as they are here) and deciding for yourself
which you like better.

I'm not trying to talk you into anything, just inviting you to try
both choices.

 

[Sunny]

Addition to my last:

O.K.

I looked at it.

But it seems to require logging in with a Windows Live Mail ID to a
"special" server.

No?

If so, why would anyone want to do that and open oneself up to all sorts
of
invasive techniques by hackers and government agents.

Do you REALLY think the General Public is so GULLIBLE?

Well, SOME folks certainly ARE. So you DO have some evidence for their
gullibility.

Microsoft even has a disclaimer that tells us the "Community Forums NNTP
bridge" is not really a MS product -- or you're logging into a SERVER
that
is NOT a MS APPLICATION....

Or something of the sort...

It's Aesopian.

What is "Aesopian" ?

 

[...winston]

Ever watch the Rocky and Bullwinkle show ? (i.e. Aesop and Son)

The reference in this thread is most likely relative to fictional accounts of Aesop being associated with telling fables.
In the end, Aesop supposedly met his maker by being tossed off a cliff.
- Myth or reality...that debate has been ongoing for decades.

You can read more about Aesop here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesop

--
....winston
ms-mvp mail

"Sunny" wrote in message What is "Aesopian" ?


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[Jim]

On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 21:32:42 +0100, Cheng Heng <Cheng.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

Yes, but it's just yet another little software program of uncertain pedigree
and value to clutter things up.

If it has no real advantages why go through the time-wasted of installing it
and then removing it?

I think it has a decided advantage, but you are free to make your own
choice.

 

[Magnus]

You're dating yourself prehistoric, lol

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

But I don't understand why anyone would choose to leave this NNTP based
format if most of us still have access to these newsgroups on another
server.

Two reasons:

1. Because, without their being Microsoft newsgroups, traffic gets
lower and lower (which is already happening on many of these
newsgroups). As that happens, it's not worth the time and effort to
periodically check and find there's nothing there.

2. The existing newsgroups cover no version of Windows past Vista. As
more and more people move to Windows 7, there are fewer and fewer
questions about the older versions. Not to mention that my skills with
the older versions I no longer use get poorer and poorer as time goes
on, and I forget their details. It's the same reason I haven't
participated in Windows 98 newsgroups for a *long* time.

It just seems to me to be a much better format for these specific
topic discussions than the web-based forums are.

Absolutely! I'm with you 100%. Unfortunately Microsoft disagrees with
us.

I guess the only good reason I can think of ... is for discussions of the
newer operating systems and applications that are coming out, since there
won't be any newly created microsoft newsgroups anymore, right?

Right (see my point 2 above).

 

[(PeteCresswell)]

Per Bill in Co:

But I don't understand why anyone would choose to leave this NNTP based
format if most of us still have access to these newsgroups on another
server. It just seems to me to be a much better format for these specific
topic discussions than the web-based forums are.

I am eagerly awaiting the spawning of multiple Alt.Microsoft...
NGs...... -)

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Thank God and Greyound they're gone.

Spoken like a true troll.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

I think [NNTP Bridge] has a decided advantage...

But only if you sync your newsreader with your forums immediately before you
start posting replies.

If you compose your replies while working offline, you're at a distinct
advantage and whatever info you eventually post may well have been
superseded by other replies to the thread posted after you last synchronized
with the forum. [Trust me on this, Ken.]

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

But I don't understand why anyone would choose to leave this NNTP based
format if most of us still have access to these newsgroups on another
server. It just seems to me to be a much better format for these specific
topic discussions than the web-based forums are...

I can guarantee you that I have had an infinitely better success rate in the
forums than I've ever had in newsgroups. While it's true that there are
plenty of "once & done" OPs (and trolls) in the forums as well, more forum
OPs actually stick with their threads to the bitter end than newsgroup OPs.

Perhaps it's because Alerts (i.e., email notifications of replies to a
thread) actually work via the forum interface?

 

[...winston]

One reason that minimizes my use of the bridge.



--
....winston
ms-mvp mail

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message

I think [NNTP Bridge] has a decided advantage...

But only if you sync your newsreader with your forums immediately before you
start posting replies.

If you compose your replies while working offline, you're at a distinct
advantage and whatever info you eventually post may well have been
superseded by other replies to the thread posted after you last synchronized
with the forum. [Trust me on this, Ken.]

 

[Bruce Hagen]

I use the bridge to quickly pick & choose the ones I'll reply to, but so
the actual posting in the forum.
--
~Bruce

One reason that minimizes my use of the bridge.



--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message

I think [NNTP Bridge] has a decided advantage...

But only if you sync your newsreader with your forums immediately before
you start posting replies.

If you compose your replies while working offline, you're at a distinct
advantage and whatever info you eventually post may well have been
superseded by other replies to the thread posted after you last
synchronized with the forum. [Trust me on this, Ken.]

 

[Don Dewiel]

+1
--
Don

One reason that minimizes my use of the bridge.



--
...winston
ms-mvp mail

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message

I think [NNTP Bridge] has a decided advantage...

But only if you sync your newsreader with your forums immediately before
you start posting replies.

If you compose your replies while working offline, you're at a distinct
advantage and whatever info you eventually post may well have been
superseded by other replies to the thread posted after you last
synchronized with the forum. [Trust me on this, Ken.]

 

[Db]

the problem with following
anyone is that you would
have to smell what they
walk away from.

--
--
db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

DatabaseBen, Retired Professional

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx

 

[Art [artfudd] Folden]

"What is "Aesopian" ?"

It is a word used by people who wish to convey that they think they know more than the
average bear, or otherwise convey that the referred to commentary is somewhat ambiguous.


Art [artfudd] Folden
--
"Sunny" wrote in message

Addition to my last:

O.K.

I looked at it.

But it seems to require logging in with a Windows Live Mail ID to a "special" server.

No?

If so, why would anyone want to do that and open oneself up to all sorts of
invasive techniques by hackers and government agents.

Do you REALLY think the General Public is so GULLIBLE?

Well, SOME folks certainly ARE. So you DO have some evidence for their
gullibility.

Microsoft even has a disclaimer that tells us the "Community Forums NNTP
bridge" is not really a MS product -- or you're logging into a SERVER that
is NOT a MS APPLICATION....

Or something of the sort...

It's Aesopian.

What is "Aesopian" ?

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

I smell fish.

the problem with following
anyone is that you would
have to smell what they
walk away from.

 

[glee]

I can guarantee you that I have had an infinitely better success rate
in the forums than I've ever had in newsgroups. While it's true that
there are plenty of "once & done" OPs (and trolls) in the forums as
well, more forum OPs actually stick with their threads to the bitter
end than newsgroup OPs.

Perhaps it's because Alerts (i.e., email notifications of replies to a
thread) actually work via the forum interface?

That's odd....considering that before Microsoft "quit" newsgroups, forum
posts were being sent to the newsgroups as well as appearing on the
forums...so there should have been no difference. Are you saying that
replies to forum posts that were made via the newsgroups weren't being
included in the email notifications in the forum posts? That's the only
way I can see that would account for a difference.

I stopped posting via the forums because I was not getting notifications
of replies, no one posting seemed to be able to find their posts for
follow-up, and posts were being 'marked as the answer' that did not
resolve the poster's issue. I assume the first two issues have been
solved? I know the last issue still exists because I see it regularly
when a search about an issue leads me to a MS forum thread.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I think [NNTP Bridge] has a decided advantage...

But only if you sync your newsreader with your forums immediately before you
start posting replies.

If you compose your replies while working offline, you're at a distinct
advantage and whatever info you eventually post may well have been
superseded by other replies to the thread posted after you last synchronized
with the forum. [Trust me on this, Ken.]

I trust you, Bear (I trust you on almost everything). And I'm aware
that what you say is correct. Nevertheless, it's something that I
don't overly worry about. Some of what I post may turn out be
superseded, or even wrong, as a result, but the alternative of doing
it directly on the web is so much slower that I have no interest in
doing it. I'll live with the problem you mention.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

OK, and thanks for the insights, Ken.

You're welcome. Glad to help.