OT: Microsoft office 2007 sp2 update

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p.mc

Hi...sorry it's a bit off topic but I couldn't find a Office 2007 NG.

Anyhow, I've just updated Microsoft office 2007 through windows update site,
and I then noticed there was 14 instances of the SP2 on my "Absolute
Uninstaller" program, but in "Add and remove" it just shows the one
instance!

Is that normal?
 
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Bill in Co.

p.mc said:
Hi...sorry it's a bit off topic but I couldn't find a Office 2007 NG.

microsoft.office.public.misc ? (one example)
I seriously doubt if there is a group devoted to just one version of Office.
 
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p.mc

Bill in Co. said:
microsoft.office.public.misc ? (one example)
I seriously doubt if there is a group devoted to just one version of
Office.


Hi Bill

I don't have that particular NG on my albasani news server.
 
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Jose

Hi...sorry it's a bit off topic but I couldn't find a Office 2007 NG.

Anyhow, I've just updated Microsoft office 2007 through windows update site,
and I then noticed there was 14 instances of the SP2 on my "Absolute
Uninstaller" program, but in "Add and remove" it just shows the one
instance!

Is that normal?

I have Office 2007 Enterprise SP2 and I just installed that Absolute
Uninstaller (yes, I am a daredevil) and it behaves like what you
describe - 14 of the same for Office SP2.

There are also several Microsoft things that show up multiple times
and I trust my Add/Remove Programs more and think Absolute Uninstaller
is tetched in the head.

The thing about these third party uninstallers - they seem to merely
present the same information in a different way that is sometimes more
appealing to the eye but behind the scenes, they run the same
uninstall process as Add/Remove Programs - it just looks different.

I know this for a fact with Revo Unisntaller and now the same with
Absolute (if you dig a little) tells me the same thing, which is it
does nothing more than Windows would normally do from Add/Remove
Programs (but it's purtier).

Plus I don't want anything done for me "autmoatically" and their
product has several typ[ographical errors in it.

Now I'll see if it can clean up after itself or if I have to do that
too.

Zero stars.
 
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DL

Well configure your newsreader to msnews.microsoft.com, a free/public news
server account
 
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p.mc

I did have msnenews server at one time but albasani does the MS ng's also,
but obviously not all of them. Anyhow "Jose" kindly supported me so thanks
for your effort.
 
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p.mc

Hi...sorry it's a bit off topic but I couldn't find a Office 2007 NG.

Anyhow, I've just updated Microsoft office 2007 through windows update
site,
and I then noticed there was 14 instances of the SP2 on my "Absolute
Uninstaller" program, but in "Add and remove" it just shows the one
instance!

Is that normal?

I have Office 2007 Enterprise SP2 and I just installed that Absolute
Uninstaller (yes, I am a daredevil) and it behaves like what you
describe - 14 of the same for Office SP2.

There are also several Microsoft things that show up multiple times
and I trust my Add/Remove Programs more and think Absolute Uninstaller
is tetched in the head.

The thing about these third party uninstallers - they seem to merely
present the same information in a different way that is sometimes more
appealing to the eye but behind the scenes, they run the same
uninstall process as Add/Remove Programs - it just looks different.

I know this for a fact with Revo Unisntaller and now the same with
Absolute (if you dig a little) tells me the same thing, which is it
does nothing more than Windows would normally do from Add/Remove
Programs (but it's purtier).

Plus I don't want anything done for me "autmoatically" and their
product has several typ[ographical errors in it.

Now I'll see if it can clean up after itself or if I have to do that
too.

Zero stars.
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Hi Jose thanks for that, it's eased my mind a lot. I don't know wether it
has to do with the SP2 installing diffrently from SP1? were as SP2 installs
seperately or something I read...maybe divisible by 14??

But thanks anyway
 
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Bill in Co.

p.mc said:
I have Office 2007 Enterprise SP2 and I just installed that Absolute
Uninstaller (yes, I am a daredevil) and it behaves like what you
describe - 14 of the same for Office SP2.

There are also several Microsoft things that show up multiple times
and I trust my Add/Remove Programs more and think Absolute Uninstaller
is tetched in the head.

The thing about these third party uninstallers - they seem to merely
present the same information in a different way that is sometimes more
appealing to the eye but behind the scenes, they run the same
uninstall process as Add/Remove Programs - it just looks different.

I know this for a fact with Revo Unisntaller

I don't think it's the same. Revo Uninstaller goes behind the scenes and
searches much more thoroughly through the registry and on the HD than the
Add/Remove option does.
and now the same with
Absolute (if you dig a little) tells me the same thing, which is it
does nothing more than Windows would normally do from Add/Remove
Programs (but it's purtier).

I don't think so!
 
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Jose

I don't think it's the same.   Revo Uninstaller goes behind the scenes and
searches much more thoroughly through the registry and on the HD than the
Add/Remove option does.


I don't think so!

Okay - I'll rephrase...

Revo includes/adds optional steps and processes before and after the
uninstall that is not part of
the standard Add/Remove Programs, but the actual uninstall mechanism
is identical to Add/Remove
Programs.

The Revo optional steps and processes do not include anything you
could not do yourself using the
standard Windows tools and procedures that come with XP. Revo puts a
nice looking front end on
things and can appear more appealing to some eyes.

Revo comes with other tools that have nothing to do with uninstalling
programs. Many of the standard
XP tools are merely repackaged with a presentation that could make
them easier to comprehend, but
the same end results can be achieved using standard XP tools.

I do not believe Revo does anything for me I cannot do myself. It is
a just a bundler and repackager
of things you already have. There is nothing "wrong" with it.

Absolute Uninstalled is still tetched in the head. At least Revo only
shows the Office SP2 once!
 
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Bruce Chambers

p.mc said:
Hi...sorry it's a bit off topic but I couldn't find a Office 2007 NG.

Anyhow, I've just updated Microsoft office 2007 through windows update
site, and I then noticed there was 14 instances of the SP2 on my
"Absolute Uninstaller" program, but in "Add and remove" it just shows
the one instance!

Is that normal?


Shouldn't you be directing that question to the makers of "Absolute
Installer?" After all, it's /their/ product that is providing the
bizarre results, not Windows or Office.


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Help us help you:


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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

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killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
 
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Bill in Co.

Jose said:
Okay - I'll rephrase...

Revo includes/adds optional steps and processes before and after the
uninstall that is not part of
the standard Add/Remove Programs, but the actual uninstall mechanism
is identical to Add/Remove Programs.

How do you know that for a fact? Or is that based on an assumption that
it has to be?
The Revo optional steps and processes do not include anything you
could not do yourself using the
standard Windows tools and procedures that come with XP.

Such as?? (specifically, and I don't just mean regedit)

I'm thinking of all the obscure registry and file references it finds, for
example, with some of its options (some of which may not be as safe to use
in practice).
 
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p.mc

Bruce Chambers said:
Shouldn't you be directing that question to the makers of "Absolute
Installer?" After all, it's /their/ product that is providing the bizarre
results, not Windows or Office.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375

Well I actually think it has something to do with Office having 9 programs
and 5 tools = 14. So therefore "AU" is actually showing the individual
updates in SP2. Anyhow I'm not bothered about it now as that's my theory,
and I vaguely remember reading something along the lines that the SP2 did
indeed install seperately whilst SP1 did it in one go. wereas before I
thought it was a fault whilst updating...ie multiple instances and I needed
to remove 13 of them.

Thanks for the advice though.
 
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Bill in Co.

Jose said:
Okay - I'll rephrase...

Revo includes/adds optional steps and processes before and after the
uninstall that is not part of
the standard Add/Remove Programs, but the actual uninstall mechanism
is identical to Add/Remove Programs.

But how do you know that for a fact? Or is that based on an assumption
that
it has to be that way?
The Revo optional steps and processes do not include anything you
could not do yourself using the
standard Windows tools and procedures that come with XP.

Such as?? (specifically, and I don't just mean regedit)

I'm thinking of all the obscure registry and file references it finds, for
example, with some of its options (some of which may not be as safe to use
in practice).
 
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Jose

 But how do you know that for a fact?    Or is that based on an assumption
that
it has to be that way?


 Such as??   (specifically, and I don't just mean regedit)

 I'm thinking of all the obscure registry and file references it finds,for
example, with some of its options (some of which may not be as safe to use
in practice).

I do not rely on Revo for anything but have installed and uninstalled
it many times to help other people with problems, to try to understand
how it works and to see if there is any benefit or value to it.

I have done the same with Absolute Uninstaller and many other cleanup,
fix up, tune up applications - all sorts of things. They are just
fancy front ends to things you can already do with Windows. I try
"unsafe" things on purpose all the time. I have tried lots and lots
of registry cleaners for example to compare them to see which one
really finds the most entries that don't need to be there and I will
track them down. I have no fear of trying Absolute Uninstaller or
just about anything else within reason.

If I had not actually installed Absolute and tried in on an Office
2007 SP2 system, who would do it to see the same thing that the OP was
seeing and then ask Absolute to explain it (no reply yet). The OP has
a good thought with the 9+5 theory. I will let Absolute sort it out
or explain it.

What happens when you uninstall is the same as Add/Remove Programs,
but Revo does include some other things to click on that will report
the obscure registry entry (an MRU or ADP here and there) and I have
not tried to uninstall everything with Revo, but I have tried a
compare of Add/Remove and Revo and so far it has not found any obscure
thing that I cannot find myself if I just take a look.

I figure if somebody at Revo knows how to write a program to search
for and display an obscure or leftover registry entry , unreferenced
folders, files, dlls, etc., I can figure out the same thing myself.
Some human being had to sit down and figure out how to do it and what
it all means to write the code to produce the report of such things.

Revo can find things faster than me and produce a nice report, but it
doesn't do anything I can't do myself. I can find a lot of things
Revo misses too.

I can tell you with certainty using side by side comparisons that Revo
is not as good in it's reporting of registry leftovers as some other
products. It does just a fair job and is "okay" to me but it does
centralize a lot of boring routine things into a user friendly GUI.
It can't even uninstall itself without leaving things behind. A lot
of products don't do a good job either. but not everybody will notice
or care about the little things that bother me.

Cleaning up uninstall leftovers does not seem to be the forte of the
VS Revo Group. Their focus is to fancy up some nice GUI and sell it.
It is a makes you feel good because it looks good product.

That is what they do, and there is nothing wrong with that. It is all
a good idea.
 
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Jose

Well I actually think it has something to do with Office having 9 programs
and 5 tools = 14. So therefore "AU" is actually showing the individual
updates in SP2. Anyhow I'm not bothered about it now as that's my theory,
and I vaguely remember reading something along the lines that the SP2 did
indeed install seperately whilst SP1 did it in one go. wereas before I
thought it was a fault whilst updating...ie multiple instances and I needed
to remove 13 of them.

Thanks for the advice though.

I provided some details to the support people at Glary Utilities (the
folks that make Absolute Uninstaller) about the way the MS Office 2007
SP2 information is represented in their uninstaller and how it is
different from Add/Remove Programs.

Here is part of what they had to say:

Dear user,

This maybe a small bug. I will transferred your letter to our
engineers. If it does exist, we will improve our product.
Thanks for your support.
 
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vmanes

In Windows Add and Remove, do you check the Show Updates box at the top?


Hi...sorry it's a bit off topic but I couldn't find a Office 2007 NG.

Anyhow, I've just updated Microsoft office 2007 through windows update site,
and I then noticed there was 14 instances of the SP2 on my "Absolute
Uninstaller" program, but in "Add and remove" it just shows the one
instance!

Is that normal?
 

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