(OT) How to cook an egg with 2 mobile phones....

[John Jay Smith]

opinions, and your opinions are facts.

Not so, we all have very limited perception of our universe. However some
people
are closer to the truth than others. I have understood some specific things
about how our world
works that you have not.
You may know 1000 other things I don't... its ok..... I do not claim I know
everything...
I know very little... but I am trying searching, learning all the time on a
daily basis.

I am very flexible to what my opinion is. It can change if I have new data.
Even the things I may say are true, I know that my opinion may change if I
find out something
new tomorrow. My knowledge is dynamic, not full of preconceived ideas or
information
that has been fed to me.

Do the same.

 

[Al Klein]

Not so, we all have very limited perception of our universe. However some
people
are closer to the truth than others. I have understood some specific things
about how our world
works that you have not.

For instance, you "understand" that cellphone radiation, like
microwave oven radiation, is dangerous.

That's your opinion, John, you have no facts to back it up, and I have
facts to refute it.

I know very little... but I am trying searching, learning all the time on a
daily basis.

No, you're trying to find facts to back up your beliefs - that's not
learning.

I am very flexible to what my opinion is. It can change if I have new data.

I gave you data - you rejected it outright. You're not interested in
data that contradict your "knowledge", regardless of your claim that
you are - your actions speak louder than your words.

 

[John Jay Smith]

I gave you data - you rejected it outright. You're not interested in

data that contradict your "knowledge", regardless of your claim that
you are - your actions speak louder than your words.

whats the use?.. this guy........ ahh.. forget it!!!!

 

[Terry Russell]

One problem - cell phones don't transmit on the resonant frequency of
the water molecule, so the basic assumption - that cellular radiation
does something similar to microwave oven radiation - is total
nonsense. But since they said something like it, you believe it.

"1 hour a day X 365 days a year = 365 hours
365 hours X 3 watts (a cellular phone transmits a MAXIMUM of 0.2
watts, and almost all of that goes somewhere other than into your
body) = 1095 watts in one year
1095 watts X 10 years = 10959 watts."

thats average not maximum

Back in 1990 or so I was building what would now be called packet radio,
and for licensing purposes power output and safety standards were a problem,
low power meant simpler licensing but limited power meant limited range and
reliability, .

The power was peak as measured at 1metre and based on a presumption of
a low number of transmitters in the environment.
Then along came mobiles , the safety standard was redefined to be average
power over a few minutes and bumped up ten fold.
Mobiles got better coverage by packing more power into shorter bursts at
higher frequencies.

Nowadays you have 10 times higher power held next to your head
and possibility of dozens of transmitters within a few metres, and exposure
to hundreds and thousands at longer ranges at public events.

I don't know if it is safe now, in total driving home from the pub is
almost certainly more dangerous than spending the evening with everyone
chatting away to friends in the pub ( and why do you see 4 people sitting at
the same table all talking to
someone else on the phone ???)
but I don't think they would have passed the licensing tests 20 years ago.

 

[Daniel Mandic]

I'm a skeptic - I don't believe fantastic claims without fantastic
evidence. I certainly don't accept them with no evidence at all.

Hi Al!


An Egg is special.

Why do it explode, when putting it into a microwave?



I believe that story. Although, a Handy is absolutely antique and
unnecessary, IMO. Battery driven




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Hi Al!



You see how effective Usenet is?

You wrote so much.....



Cell phones are unnecessary and antique. I can only laugh when someone
says, that this is the latest technology.

All at all, I dislike that apparatures. The radio smog is already
totally out of control and ruled by brain-disabled quasi-modernizers
(gasers).



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[brett.shand]

You think microwaved eggs are a scam? This is not:

http://bob3160.googlepages.com/ziplockomlet.html

and I wish it was

Brett

 

[Daniel Mandic]

You think microwaved eggs are a scam? This is not:

http://bob3160.googlepages.com/ziplockomlet.html

and I wish it was

Brett

O.K. looks nice, but why in plastic



Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

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You think microwaved eggs are a scam? This is not:

http://bob3160.googlepages.com/ziplockomlet.html

and I wish it was

Whatever those things are, they are /not/ omelettes!

 

[Al Klein]

An Egg is special.

Why do it explode, when putting it into a microwave?

Steam pressure. Cellular phones don't operate at the resonant
frequency of the water molecule, so where's the connection?

 

[Al Klein]

You think microwaved eggs are a scam? This is not:

http://bob3160.googlepages.com/ziplockomlet.html

Relevance?

 

[Daniel Mandic]

Steam pressure. Cellular phones don't operate at the resonant
frequency of the water molecule, so where's the connection?

Time.

Power lines are also not dangerous when not touching, but it is known
that it raises the risks for cancer when living nearby.

The biggest problem is, that handys and their nets have inter-tacted
frequencies, simulating (disturbing,) the wave-frequency, we Human use
to interact with Universe.

2nd. The Battery Innovation/Technology is year 1800´something. That's
pure antique stuff! Even older than automobiles...
3rd The production of cellies is dangerous to some people on the World,
e.g. Arsen poisened areas. So, IMO is no direct danger needed or being
proved, the secondary effects are enough for me.


4th: Internet, Usenet can give much better conversation than that
crackling cell-phones. With some arrangement and foreseeing at
home/office with phone and internet, I can live good w/o a handy.




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic


P.S.: Yes. Steam pressure.

P.P.S.: Do you know the story about the radio operator, and his melting
choccolate in the vest pocket? He have been flowed through, with the
known dangerous microwave (it's radiation, correctly). But he didn't
die in a small amount of time, taking a bath in a menbig microwave-oven
would lead to death in a minute.

 

[Al Klein]

Al Klein wrote:

Power lines are also not dangerous when not touching, but it is known
that it raises the risks for cancer when living nearby.

There was a very large study done on that in the county in which I
live. The results weren't statistically significant. I haven't read
of any double-blind study in which the results WERE significant.

The biggest problem is, that handys and their nets have inter-tacted
frequencies, simulating (disturbing,) the wave-frequency, we Human use
to interact with Universe.

We use 800 or 1900 MHz to do ANYTHING? Sorry, no, life operates on
MUCH lower frequencies.

2nd. The Battery Innovation/Technology is year 1800´something. That's
pure antique stuff! Even older than automobiles...
So?

3rd The production of cellies is dangerous to some people on the World,
e.g. Arsen poisened areas. So, IMO is no direct danger needed or being
proved, the secondary effects are enough for me.

how does that relate to danger when using them? If there's a problem
manufacturing them (and I think you're conflating the manufacturing
process with the disposal process) then we correct the manufacturing
process. You don't fix a broken arm by putting a cast on someone
else's leg.

4th: Internet, Usenet can give much better conversation than that
crackling cell-phones.

Really? How do I get a small, hand-held connection to the internet in
my car? Or when I'm walking down the street?

P.S.: Yes. Steam pressure.

P.P.S.: Do you know the story about the radio operator, and his melting
choccolate in the vest pocket?

Chocolate melts at about 99 degrees F - hardly a dangerous
temperature.

He have been flowed through, with the
known dangerous microwave (it's radiation, correctly).

You're confusing radiation at the resonant frequency of the water
molecule with all radiation again. Not all radiation is the same.

But he didn't
die in a small amount of time, taking a bath in a menbig microwave-oven
would lead to death in a minute.

So would trying to live at the bottom of a lake, but drinking a glass
of water - the same water - isn't dangerous. Banning cell phones
because 2.45 GHz radiation may be dangerous is like banning water
because you can drown in it.

 

[Dewey Edwards]

Ok it is fake, and funny..

however...as (also) an animator, I helped create a documentary about the
effects of mobile phones on the human head. Indeed heating occurred in the
brain in the area near the ear, and on the eye.

Please poost a URL of your work..

 

[Daniel Mandic]

We use 800 or 1900 MHz to do ANYTHING? Sorry, no, life operates on
MUCH lower frequencies.

1400MHz? I cannot recall the exact name/phenomenon to that frequency,
but it is present.

I think they (cells) operate too strong (remembering the typical
distortion you have, shortly before the call is ringing... but it
wasn't me, I don't have a handy, No it was a neighbour in an approx.
distance of 30M air-line, shouting: "Yes, who is?" - mad. Normally you
get the distortions when operating a cell-phone in a near distance to a
TV-Set, for example)

crap


You're confusing radiation at the resonant frequency of the water
molecule with all radiation again. Not all radiation is the same.

It is, wave is just the marketing-name. It sounds better and not so
dangerous




Best Regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[Al Klein]

1400MHz? I cannot recall the exact name/phenomenon to that frequency,
but it is present.

I'd like a reference to that.

I think they (cells) operate too strong (remembering the typical
distortion you have, shortly before the call is ringing.

You're talking about TDMA pulse interference to audio circuits. Humans
don't have electrical audio circuits to be interfered with. Even if we
did, do you see speakers burning up because someone had a cell phone
ring near one?

It is, wave is just the marketing-name. It sounds better and not so
dangerous

No, actually 2.45 GHz and 1.9 GHz *don't* have the same effects. The
water molecule only has a single resonance frequency, and it's not any
frequency cell phones operate on. But you get more "radiation" from a
battery powered electric shaver or some stereo headphones than you do
from a cell phone, so if all radiation is the same, we ought to see
brain cancer figures taking a giant leap around the time electricity
was first ushered into out homes. We don't.

 

[Daniel Mandic]

I'd like a reference to that.

It will be repeated. I saw it in a documentary....


http://www.sternenkojote.de/seti.html, for now.

Something about the naturally radiation of hydrogen, between
1400-1800MHz etc.



Kind regards,

Daniel Mandic

 

[John Jay Smith]

Seti fools...

they are listening at that frequency... because they assume aliens would
accept that frequency as
a universal frequency because it is the one from helium that is the most
abundant element.

as if aliens will use simple radio waves that travel at the speed of light,
while there are other
technologies that can achieve instantaneous communication. Yes faster than
the speed of light...

Instantaneous as Tesla's experiments confirmed.

Furthermore seti scientist like Carl sagan made fun of people that supported
ufo's

how stupid can you be? You have them in your back yard yet you insist
looking for them
with the wrong method thousands or millions of light-years away.

they would be better off sending SMSs to cavemen.

 

[Al Klein]

It will be repeated. I saw it in a documentary....


http://www.sternenkojote.de/seti.html, for now.

Something about the naturally radiation of hydrogen, between
1400-1800MHz etc.

I'm aware of the resonant frequency of the hydrogen molecule. But how
is this related to the hydrogen in human beings, which a) isn't
molecular and b) isn't excited, so has nothing to do with any
frequency?

 

[Al Klein]

Seti fools...

they are listening at that frequency.

Not quite - they're listening at the water hole.

because they assume aliens would
accept that frequency as
a universal frequency because it is the one from helium that is the most
abundant element.

1) Hydrogen is the most abundant element.

2) The waterhole isn't the resonant frequency of either hydrogen or
helium.

3) It's a natural slot for communications, whether you're human or
not. It has to do with physics (which is universal) not species.

as if aliens will use simple radio waves that travel at the speed of light,
while there are other
technologies that can achieve instantaneous communication. Yes faster than
the speed of light...

Such as?

Instantaneous as Tesla's experiments confirmed.

URL? (BTW, Einstein confirmed that no information can travel faster
than the speed of light.)

Furthermore seti scientist like Carl sagan made fun of people that supported
ufo's

Which has nothing to do with SETI, which he supported.

how stupid can you be?

Stupid enough to claim that because "3" and "coffee" can both be
written with a pencil they're the same thing?