OT: Google has made searching the USENET archive difficult


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John Doe

Anybody else remember, a long time ago when searching the USENET
archive produced a list of most relevant groups? That was a good way to
determine which group was best to post a question to.

Finding information in the USENET archive has become more and more
difficult since Google took over.

On the Google Groups advanced search page, we can choose Google Groups,
but search results include mostly moderated, non-USENET groups.

Sometimes search results include a small fraction of the results the
same search includes at another time.

Uhg. This is a good example when a sale (of the USENET archive) should
not have gone to the highest bidder.
 
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Jon Danniken

John Doe said:
Anybody else remember, a long time ago when searching the USENET
archive produced a list of most relevant groups? That was a good way to
determine which group was best to post a question to.

Finding information in the USENET archive has become more and more
difficult since Google took over.

On the Google Groups advanced search page, we can choose Google Groups,
but search results include mostly moderated, non-USENET groups.

Sometimes search results include a small fraction of the results the
same search includes at another time.

Uhg. This is a good example when a sale (of the USENET archive) should
not have gone to the highest bidder.
Google has been steadily and continually destroying the original
Deja-interface to usenet archives ever since they took over eight or nine
years ago.

It started with the page format, destroying the original flow of usenet in
favor of a jumbled mess. At various times after that, they have restricted
access to the archives themselves.

If they would have just thrown a couple of google ads up on the side of the
page, that would have been okay, but instead they have effectively destroyed
what was once a very valuable and useful tool for researching
peer-contributed information.

Shame on Google.

Jon
 
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Paul

Jon said:
Google has been steadily and continually destroying the original
Deja-interface to usenet archives ever since they took over eight or nine
years ago.

It started with the page format, destroying the original flow of usenet in
favor of a jumbled mess. At various times after that, they have restricted
access to the archives themselves.

If they would have just thrown a couple of google ads up on the side of the
page, that would have been okay, but instead they have effectively destroyed
what was once a very valuable and useful tool for researching
peer-contributed information.

Shame on Google.

Jon
One thing I consider kinda funny, is if I search using my email address,
then click my "profile", the 20000+ posts are shown broken down by year.

Yet, if I search for my own posts, now I'm getting only 179 hits from the
deja.com based search. And anything recently posted, forget finding it.

That makes it useless for reusing old posts, finding previous answers
and so on.

Pure crap.

I guess Google feels they can make more money, pointing people to the
Tomshardware fine collection of purchased web sites.

Paul
 
P

Peter

Google has been steadily and continually destroying the original
Deja-interface to usenet archives ever since they took over eight or nine
years ago.

It started with the page format, destroying the original flow of usenet in
favor of a jumbled mess. At various times after that, they have restricted
access to the archives themselves.

If they would have just thrown a couple of google ads up on the side of the
page, that would have been okay, but instead they have effectively destroyed
what was once a very valuable and useful tool for researching
peer-contributed information.

Shame on Google.
Yep, used to use it frequently. It was a fantastic resource of
information. Even had it as my mainpage at one time. Not any more. A
complete waste.
 
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Michael Cecil

Yep, used to use it frequently. It was a fantastic resource of
information. Even had it as my mainpage at one time. Not any more. A
complete waste.
"Don't be evil" my ass.
 
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Peter

?This finds some of your recent posts:
www.Google.COM/search?q=%22Peter-pete%22&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7

I'm more indexed than you are:
www.Google.COM/search?q=%22Jeff_Relf%22|%22Jeff-Relf%22&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
Google.COM/search?q="Jeff_Relf"|"Jeff-Relf"&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
Google.COM/groups?q="Jeff_Relf"|"Jeff-Relf"&sitesearch=google.com&scoring=d

Likely, this is because
Google doesn't munge the "Jeff_Relf" in my eMail address:
_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid
Not sure of the point you're trying to make. If you search on my name
in Author you get plenty of posts.
 
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geoff

Google has been steadily and continually destroying the original
Deja-interface to usenet archives ever since they took over eight or nine
years ago.
I agree and when they first started to make the change they had a 'tell us
what you think' link. I told them that they are idiots but it seems that
management changed and the 'new management' is going to make 'improvements'.

That is why nothing is forever, new management comes in and needs to leave
their mark by fixing things that were never broken.

.. . . but I think this pales compared to what will happen in 2010 and beyond
when digital technology will give providers much finer grain of control
whether it be on our computers, or TV, phones/cells, etc. and after we are
more controlled, we can all tell each other how great it is.

--g
 
J

John Doe

By the way, Jeff, What causes your fixation on weirdness?
Just curious.
 
J

John Doe

Everything about your posts reeks of weirdness, Jeff. Most of your
weirdness has nothing to do with the way Xnews interprets your
posts. If you are trying to be a spokesman for USENET (instead of
just a freakish troll), Jeff, please stop trying.
 
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John Doe

(Subject line restored to the original correct)


You(John Doe) came at me whining, I gave you solutions. I'm as
happy as a clam at high-tide; you could be too, but you'll have to
use a better newsReader, xNews doesn't cut it.
I did not come at you, Jeff, and I did not come whining. I am
willing to pay for read-only USENET archive service. Such a service,
maybe nonprofit, would probably be inexpensive to run. Hopefully
some entrepreneur will get the idea, maybe fresh or maybe taken from
a different USENET archive.

Finding out whether anything like that already exists was part of my
reason for posting. I will do that periodically, even though everyone
on USENET probably would be notified if it were to happen.
 
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Doesn't have easy access to the parent post;
i.e. it won't downLoad the parent post via a click.
Works for everybody else. What happens when you try it?
 
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John Doe

Anyone have a better example of someone who thinks he is home on
USENET, at the same time he makes posting look like rocket science?
 
J

John Doe

<snip weird complaints about Xnews>

I doubt anyone would want to be around anything you feel comfortable
with, Jeff.
 
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sunnia

Anybody else remember, a long time ago when searching the USENET
archive produced a list of most relevant groups? That was a good way to
determine which group was best to post a question to.

Finding information in the USENET archive has become more and more
difficult since Google took over.

On the Google Groups advanced search page, we can choose Google Groups,
but search results include mostly moderated, non-USENET groups.

Sometimes search results include a small fraction of the results the
same search includes at another time.

Uhg. This is a good example when a sale (of the USENET archive) should
not have gone to the highest bidder.
Earth’s Seven Layers

Quranic and Prophetic Miracle
Author: Abdul Daem Al-Kaheel
Translation: Nassim JamalEddin Dhaher
Revised by : Magdy Abd Al-Shafy



I hope you don’t mind receiving my letter. It is short but full
of information


When scientists started to probe the valleys of Earth and in order to
know its structure and constituents,
they found that tales and myths that dominated in the earlier
centuries have no scientific basis. After scientists discovered that
the earth is egg-shaped , they suggested that the core of this ball
has a nucleus, and its ****l is a very thin crust when compared to the
Earth’s size, and between these two layers, there is a third, known as
the mantle . this was the knowledge of the early scientists.
Development of Scientific Facts
The Three Layer -Theory did not last for so long due to recent
discoveries in Geology. Recent measurements and experiments showed
that the material comprising the nucleus of the Earth is under very
high pressure, three million times more than that on the surface of
the Earth.
Under such pressure, matter transforms into solid state, this in turn
makes Earth’s core very solid,This core is surrounded by a liquid
layer of very high temperature. This means that there are two layers
in Earth’s core and not one.Two layers; one solid in the center
surrounded by another liquid layer.
Thereafter measuring devices advanced and presented to scientists a
clear distinction among Earth’s inner layers. If we were to descend
under the earth’s crust we would find another layer of very hot
stones , which is the stone cover or wrap. After that come three other
distinct layers of varying density, pressure and temperature.
Therefore scientists found themselves classifying the layers of Earth
into seven layers, not more. The figure shows these layers with their
dimensions (some are out of scale) according to what scientists have
recently found using methods like earthquake measuring devices and the
study of Earth’s magnetic field, among other techniques. These studies
and discoveries are being taught to these scientists’ students in
universities.










Figure showing Earth’s seven layers, notice that the crust is very
thin followed by mantle of varying thickness, then came the core
comprised of a liquid and finally a seventh solid nucleus.
Scientists have found that the atom is also comprised of seven layers
or levels, and this proves the uniformity of creation, where Earth has
seven layers and atoms have seven layers as well. This creation
therefore is ruled by only one creator.
Earth’s seven layers vary greatly in structure, density, temperature
and material. Therefore one cannot consider that Earth has only one
layer as people anciently thought. Here we find that the idea of the
Earth having layers is fairly recent and wasn’t presented or brought
forward at the time when the Quran was being revealed. Those
discoveries are what the Twenty First century -scientists tell us,
What then does the book of Allah tell us?
In the Company of the Noble Quran
The Holy Quran, God’s word , talks to us about the seven Heavens and
also seven layers of Earth in the Quranic verses:
God says in the Holy Quran in this regard what means “Who has created
the seven heavens one above another…” [Al-Mulk 3]
God says in the Holy Quran in this regard what means “It is Allah Who
has created seven heavens and of the earth the like thereof
(i.e. seven).” [Attalaq 12]
The first verse has specified two traits for the heavens which are:
their number which is seven, their organization, which is into
layers , one on the of top of the other and this is according to the
Quranic interpretation books and Arabic language dictionaries. As for
the second verse, it confirms that Earth is similar to the Heavens
from the part of the verse that says “…and of the earth the like
thereof”, where since the Heavens are layers, then Earth is comprised
of layers as well, and since the Heavens are seven, therefore Earth’s
layers are seven as well.

Here we need to pause and elaborate on Allah’s choice of words in the
word: “Tibaqa” – which means layers one on top of another, and this is
what scientists have recently discovered that Earth is comprised of
layers, this in turn leads us to conclude that Al-Qur`an defined
Earth’s shape, of layers, and it (Al-Quran) has also specified the
number of these layers, seven. Henceforth Al-Qur`an chose a very
specific word to describe Earth’s composition, so Al-Qur`an preceded
the Twenty First Century scientists in mentioning Earths facts
fourteen centuries ago. Isn’t this an overwhelming
?Quranic miracle
If we contemplate 0n the Noble Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon
him) Hadeeth (sayings), we find one Hadeeth that confirms this fact of
Earth’s seven overlapping layers. Prophet Mohammad (peace and
blessings be upon him) says: “whomever oppressed someone a hand span’s
distance from the Earth, gets surrounded by seven overlapping
layers”[Bukhari 2321], the Hadeeth is telling us that Allah will
punish those who oppress in Earth by being encircled and surrounded by
seven Earthly layers. This definition for the word “Tawaqa” that was
used in the Hadeeth is as found in Arabic Language Dictionaries.
The question here is: Isn’t this a great prophetic miracle? doesn’t
this Hadeeth specify the number of Earth’s layers which are seven, and
also mentions their nature of being overlapped or surrounding each
other?From the word encircled used in the Hadeeth, we can deduce
circular shapes and in three dimensions we can deduce spherical
shapes.
Henceforth The Noble Qur’an and Prophetic Sunnah (traditions of the
Prophet) preceded modern science to this scientific fact. In addition
Al-Qur’an gave us the precise naming for the structure of Earth using
the word “Tibaqa” or layers, and it has given us the accurate number
for these layers which is seven, while scientists spent long years and
changed their theories several times to come up with scientific
theories previously mentioned in The Quran and Sunnah. Glory be to
Allah the Greatest who said in his exalted book: “And on the earth are
signs for those who have Faith with certainty, And also in your
ownselves. Will you not then see?” [Athariyat, 20,21]




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metspitzer

This finds some of your recent posts:
 www.Google.COM/search?q=%22Peter-pete%22&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7

I'm more indexed than you are:
 www.Google.COM/search?q=%22Jeff_Relf%22|%22Jeff-Relf%22&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
 Google.COM/search?q="Jeff_Relf"|"Jeff-Relf"&sitesearch=google.com&as_qdr=d7
 Google.COM/groups?q="Jeff_Relf"|"Jeff-Relf"&sitesearch=google.com&scoring=d

Likely, this is becauseGoogledoesn't munge the "Jeff_Relf" in my eMail address:
  _@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid
I changed my name to something semi unique for just that reason. You
have to have a unique name to search for.

Either a unique name or a unique signature.
 
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John Doe

....
Google and Usenet Newsgroups more difficult? How is this
something new? Google has always favored it's own groups to
Usenet Newsgroups.
Over time, the problem has become worse.
 

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