Orphaned Files from chkdsk NOW are missing

[Guest]

ok so here it is in a nutshell....

I have a Maxtor 160 gig HD (just bought) set to NTFS as well as security settings set to admin, myself and system. I transfered my files from 40 gig HD also set to NTFS, then I formatted my system, On final restart windows XP ran chkdsk, I let it happen (my first mistake) chkdsk reported orphaned files on my 160 gig HD as well as a bunch of other info I didn't recocnized. when it was completed (1 hr later) about 35% of my files were gone, missing, hidden not sure which. The file structure is the same just my files are gone.... I have tried data recovery software using the 40 gig HD for restoring as well as install (this is my Main HD) but the files that were missing did not show up at all. Windows XP from that point on was acting funny (and I do not mean ha ha ha) it shut down on it's own, reported corrupt folders, so I formatted it again (my second Mistake). SO in the end I have a 160 gig HD with about 85 gig of files (the same size before all this happened) and yet I have about 50 gig I can access. If you have any suggestion/Questions ect. I would gladly buy you a coffee (tim Hortons only). SO much for the nutshell

Thank you

Chase

 

[WinGuy]

What exact method did you use to clone the old 40G HDD to the new 160G HDD?
You needed to use the Maxtor utility (the CD that came with the new 160G
drive or a floppy created using that CD or the utility downloaded from their
website, or a similar utility that came or is available for the 40G HDD. You
can not use any Windows copy functions to clone a HDD, because the HDD
sectors must be recalculated during the clone process, and if you did that
then you are now probably out of luck unless you had a separate backup such
as is possible to make using Symantec Ghost. The Maxtor HDD Copy (clone)
utility, and Ghost, verifies that the clone occurred properly (else they
report otherwise). If this is your problem then you probably must do a fresh
and clean install of Windows, and then copy any salvagable user (Not
Windows) created files to the new installation; you'd have to reinstall
software too, do all updates, etc. as you'd have a brand new system at that
point.

ok so here it is in a nutshell....

I have a Maxtor 160 gig HD (just bought) set to NTFS as well as security

settings set to admin, myself and system. I transfered my files from 40 gig
HD also set to NTFS, then I formatted my system, On final restart windows XP
ran chkdsk, I let it happen (my first mistake) chkdsk reported orphaned
files on my 160 gig HD as well as a bunch of other info I didn't recocnized.
when it was completed (1 hr later) about 35% of my files were gone, missing,
hidden not sure which. The file structure is the same just my files are
gone.... I have tried data recovery software using the 40 gig HD for
restoring as well as install (this is my Main HD) but the files that were
missing did not show up at all. Windows XP from that point on was acting
funny (and I do not mean ha ha ha) it shut down on it's own, reported
corrupt folders, so I formatted it again (my second Mistake). SO in the end
I have a 160 gig HD with about 85 gig of files (the same size before all
this happened) and yet I have about 50 gig I can access. If you have any
suggestion/Questions ect. I would gladly buy you a coffee (tim Hortons
only). SO much for the nutshell

 

[Guest]

no cloning was done. I simply copy and pasted the files from the 40 to the 160 gig HD so I would be able to format the 40 and do a fresh install of Windows XP.

 

[Guest]

No clone was done I simply copied and pasted the files so I could format the 40 gig and re-install windows XP. even at this point everytime I restart my system I have to hit any key so as to avoid chkdsk from doing it again (chkdsk is still reporting errors on the 160 gig HD) there are folders it (chkdsk) says: The file or folder is corrupted and unreadable. Would it have anything to do with the security settings? Maybe when I formatted my system I should have allowed "everyone" security access?

 

[WinGuy]

No clone was done I simply copied and pasted the files so I could format

the 40 gig and re-install windows XP. even at this point everytime I
restart my system I have to hit any key so as to avoid chkdsk from doing it
again (chkdsk is still reporting errors on the 160 gig HD) there are folders
it (chkdsk) says: The file or folder is corrupted and unreadable. Would it
have anything to do with the security settings? Maybe when I formatted my
system I should have allowed "everyone" security access?

To reiterate from my previous message about this issue:

A copy & paste methodology simply will not work as a method of making a
bootable backup copy (a clone) of an entire HDD and there is now no way at
all to recover from your procedural error, since you no longer have the
original C drive. The methodology you used, reinstall of Windows and then
copy of system and program files to that new installation, simply will not
work. That's a fact. With your new 160 gig HDD, Maxtor provided you with a
very special utility on an included CD for the specific purpose of making a
bootable copy of an existing HDD. You were supposed to use that utility to
make a bootable copy of your entire old HDD over to the new one, and it
would have just worked when you removed the old drive and made the new drive
be drive C. There was no need to reinstall Windows at all, it would have
just worked but you'd have had a bigger HDD for drive C. Maxtor provided
you with clear and written documentation explaining how to use the utility
CD provided with your new HDD, and the CD has on it documentation that fully
explains how to properly make a bootable copy of a HDD.

You must start all over and install Windows absolutely from scratch, install
your programs, do updates, etc. Except for user created data files, your
procedural error has resulted in an unrecoverable loss of your old
installation of Windows and all the programs that were installed on it. I'm
very sorry, but that's just the way things are, unless you have the original
and unmodified in any way drive C installation still available or a properly
created bootable copy (clone) of it.

 

[WinGuy]

I did not transfer Windows XP to new HD just the stuff I have been saving

ex. family pictures, MP3, Digital camera movies, my documents, and
downloaded stuff. I did NOT nor did I want to transfer Windows XP to the
new HD......

Oh, definitely been going along with incorrect understanding of the problem,
then. :\

Then you're talking about file corruption having occurred with the user data
files that you copied to your new installation. The installation was working
fine before you did that. You have not copied any program or system files to
your new installation, only what you mentioned above. You may still need to
perform a repair installation of Windows in any case, and then do all the
updates again.

Are you using ZoneAlarm 5.x? If so, uninstall it (or disable it under
Services and Startup via MSCONFIG) for now (just stay off the internet until
you at least turn on XP firewall for each connection you have showing in My
Network Places), then run chkdsk again, reboot. Does the problem remain? If
not, get an earlier (non 5.x) version of ZoneAlarm or contact ZoneLabs for a
fix.

Next, and do this anyway and regardless, boot to the CD and enter the
Recovery Console. Use the command chkdsk C: /R and when it's finished
type exit so the machine will reboot, let it do so normally. It will
take quite a while for chkdsk to do its thing, because it will check the
entire HDD for bad sectors too. The bigger the HDD the longer it takes. Note
that the command has a space character between the chkdsk and the C: and the
/R parts. Do the same for any other HDD's you have in the computer.

In BIOS, make sure (if the option exists) that S.M.A.R.T. is enabled. It's
purpose is to detect a failing HDD before it fails completely. Problems
should show up in the Event Viewer if you use S.M.A.R.T., but not
necessarily immediately so check it once in a while. It is possible you are
suffering a manufacturing phenomenon known as "infant mortality" as relates
to your HDD. This can also be caused by HDD jumpers set in conflict with
BIOS settings. Some newer large capacity drives require *2* jumpers (per
their instructions) to define as being master, slave, or cable selected;
else while they seem to be working ok they really are not.

 

[Brian K]

Can you see the missing files if you untick "Hide protected operating system
files"?

Brian

I did not transfer Windows XP to new HD just the stuff I have been saving

ex. family pictures, MP3, Digital camera movies, my documents, and
downloaded stuff. I did NOT nor did I want to transfer Windows XP to the
new HD......

 

[Brian K]

And a dot in "Show hidden files and folders".

 

[Guest]

Brian

I have tryed both of those when I first noticed the problem and I could not find the files or the folders (sometimes I also recieved the error corupted folder)

 

[Brian K]

OK. I'm still a little confused. How did you get 85GB of files on your large
HD when you were copying from a 40GB HD?

I had a similar problem on one of my computers last year and I'm trying to
remember how I recovered the orphaned files.

Brian

Brian

I have tryed both of those when I first noticed the problem and I could

not find the files or the folders (sometimes I also recieved the error
corupted folder)

 

[Brian K]

One other question. How did you partition your large HD. What software?

Brian

I have tryed both of those when I first noticed the problem and I could

not find the files or the folders (sometimes I also recieved the error
corupted folder)

 

[Guest]

I hade the 160 gig HD for about a week, whenever I downloaded something I downloaded it to there 85 gig is the accumulation of those files as well as from the 40 gig HD
I used windows XP (Computer Management) to partition it as well as format it.

 

[Brian K]

My only thought is to try BartPE and see if it can reveal your missing
files. If you don't have it you can make one in 15 minutes. Don't worry
about adding the plugins for your first CD. Use the A43 app on the CD (it's
like Windows Explorer).

http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/

Brian

I hade the 160 gig HD for about a week, whenever I downloaded something I

downloaded it to there 85 gig is the accumulation of those files as well as
from the 40 gig HD

 

[Guest]

Thanks for your help guys, I will try all of them....

Chase