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Guest

Hi guys, quick question.
I'm about to buy a new operating system for a lap top (ex company) which I
bought to start uni. Apparently I cannot just add it from a mates disk.
So if I need to buy one what is the difference between OEM and retail?
Do I need a specific version, hope this is not too stupid a question...
 
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Tony Luxton

Hi Mark,

OEM stands for "Original Equipment Manufacturer", and *normally* is only
supplied with new machines or components like motherboards. It's a cheaper
licence and is forever tied to the machine it came with. Scrap the machine
and you have to scrap the OS.

The full retail version still is only licensed for *one* machine but that
can be *any* machine. You can install it on a second, if you uninstall it
from the first. IOW, it's yours forever to keep, sell, lend (but see above),
or use as a coaster.

Of course, all this applies to MS Windows. Other OS's have their own terms &
conditions.

HTH Tony.
 
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Guest

Tony Luxton said:
Hi Mark,

OEM stands for "Original Equipment Manufacturer", and *normally* is only
supplied with new machines or components like motherboards. It's a cheaper
licence and is forever tied to the machine it came with. Scrap the machine
and you have to scrap the OS.

The full retail version still is only licensed for *one* machine but that
can be *any* machine. You can install it on a second, if you uninstall it
from the first. IOW, it's yours forever to keep, sell, lend (but see above),
or use as a coaster.

Of course, all this applies to MS Windows. Other OS's have their own terms &
conditions.

HTH Tony.

Ah thanks mate, so I've no worries. The cheaper version would be all I need. Thanks again mate.
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Mark. said:
Hi guys, quick question.
I'm about to buy a new operating system for a lap top (ex company)
which I bought to start uni. Apparently I cannot just add it from a
mates disk. So if I need to buy one what is the difference between
OEM and retail?
Do I need a specific version, hope this is not too stupid a
question...


The OEM version can only legally be sold with hardware, although these days,
any piece of hardware, even a power cord, qualifies. Although if you get a
complete generic OEM version, it contains the same software, it has the
following disadvantages as compared with the retail version:

1. Its license ties it permanently to the first computer it's installed on.
It can never legally be moved to another computer, sold, or given away. This
is the biggest disadvantage, as far as I'm concerned.

2. It can only do a clean installation, not an upgrade.

3. Microsoft provides no support for OEM versions. You can't call them with
a problem, but instead have to get any needed support from your OEM; that
support may range anywhere between good and non-existent. Or you can get
support elsewhere, such as in these newsgroups.

My preference would be to buy a retail Upgrade version rather than an OEM
version. An upgrade usually costs only slightly more than an OEM copy, and
contrary to what many people think, *can* be used to perform a clean
installation (as long as you have a CD of a previous qualifying version to
show it when prompted).
 
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Guest

Mark. said:
Hi guys, quick question.
I'm about to buy a new operating system for a lap top (ex company) which I
bought to start uni. Apparently I cannot just add it from a mates disk.
So if I need to buy one what is the difference between OEM and retail?
Do I need a specific version, hope this is not too stupid a question...
 
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Bruce Chambers

Mark. said:
Hi guys, quick question.
I'm about to buy a new operating system for a lap top (ex company) which I
bought to start uni. Apparently I cannot just add it from a mates disk.


Not unless your mate has a retail license, and is removing the OS from
his computer, no. Just as it has *always* been with *all* Microsoft
operating systems, it's necessary to purchase one WinXP license for each
computer on which it is installed. The only way in which WinXP
licensing differs from that of earlier versions of Windows is that
Microsoft has finally added a copy protection and anti-theft mechanism,
Product Activation, to prevent (or at least make more difficult)
multiple installations using a single license.

So if I need to buy one what is the difference between OEM and retail?


There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so
much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:

1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of non-peripheral
hardware (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC,
although Microsoft has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP)
and are _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed.
An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people
avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even
stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only
legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
transfer ownership of the entire PC.

2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you
have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is
to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM
license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email support
for problems with the OS.

3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard drive.
It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an
in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.

4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature. Further,
such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum of device
drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer feels
necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was designed. To
be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the open market; but,
if you're shopping someplace on-line like eBay, swap meets, or computer
fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's too late.
The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by Microsoft and sold
to small systems builders, don't have this particular problem, though,
and are pretty much the same as their retail counterparts, apart from
the licensing, support, and upgrading restrictions.


Do I need a specific version, hope this is not too stupid a question...


You'd be wise to check with the university to see if they have any
specific operating system requirements, should you need/want to connect
the laptop to the school's network. Odds are, you'll need WinXP Pro;
neither WinXP Home nor WinXP MCE can be made to join a domain.



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POP

Not near as techinically important, and accurate, as the reasons
Bruce gave, but:
OEM operating systems are also often highly customized too,
and, IMO, about 10% of the visible customizations are useful, the
other 90% just crap. They brand-stamp all over the place and
place shells that so badly hides the os that at a glance you're
not even sure what the OS might be. The computer becomes almost
unique in that only that brand becomes familiar to the user.
I used to appreciate both Gateway and Dell for not succumbing
to such crap, but Dell changed their tactics long ago and are as
bad as anyone else now. Last Gateway purchase I made was OK, but
that was three years ago; wouldn't be surprised to see them go
the same route if htey haven't already done so. I actually
purchased a retail os to go with that, from them, and saved a few
bucks, but it still cost more than the oem version.
If you're strictly a user and consider the machine mostly a
throw-away when it's obsoleted and software's no longer easy to
get, then OEM is fine. But if you're inclined to update and try
to keep up with the technology at all, you definitely want to go
retail so you get the control you need to mix & match things the
way you want.
And for the advanced and the guru type users (not saying I'm
one of them necessarily), retail version's the only way to go.
My 2 cents, anyway
Pop
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

POP said:
Not near as techinically important, and accurate, as the reasons
Bruce gave, but:
OEM operating systems are also often highly customized too,


That's true of many OEM copies that come pre-installed on computers, but
it's not true of generic OEM copies that are bought separately (supposedly
with a a piece of hard ware, although not all sellers observe those rules).
Those generic OEM copies are identical to the retail ones, and differ only
in the licensing rules, in that they can't do an upgrade installation, and
that you don't get support from Microsoft.

Since he's talking about buying a copy, it would presumably be such a
generic copy, and the issue you mention wouldn't be pertinent.
 

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