On-Board Sound or Sound Card?

[CBFalconer]

Somewhere on teh interweb BluePlanet typed:

And should never be used. Usenet was designed as a plain text
environment.


Isn't the place where you should insert 'IMO' (that's "In My
Opinion" for you newbies).


Yes there is. Usenet (non-binary groups like this one) was
designed to be plain text and there are those of us who like it
that way. It's safe and fast. ISP all over are dropping usenet
support due to the high bandwidth and the low user-base.
Anything other than plain text exacerbates this problem.


But it does affect him, for the reasons given above, and more.


Mate, (and I use the term loosely) if you want to see pretty
colours or anything other than plain text I suggest you go to
one of the many web forums that deal with hardware. Some of
them even leech and mirror usenet. Straight usenet obviously
isn't for you.

Well said. Among all the other things there are newsreaders that
cannot handle anything other than plain text. Others can be set to
reject it. This is why I try to object to any html seen, and I
think the efforts have been paying off.

 

[CBFalconer]

*That's* because most ISPs put their news-servers in back in 1995,
when it was a popular service, and have never looked at them again.

Why should they? The system worked then, and it works now.

 

[Rookie]

For playing 2 channel audio or software-generated
environmental effects in 2 channel audio, the difference in
processing overhead is negligible. For gaming environmental
sound effects like with EAX, the difference can be much
larger.

I noticed this with dvd and midi playback mainly.

 

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

Why should they? The system worked then, and it works now.

It's a reply to Kony saying "running their news servers beyond
capacity". Amazing how things change over 12 years, even something as
old fashioned as Usenet.

Even on a "text-only" server, a few stealth binary groups running with
yEnc encoding that isn't recognised by an older version of news-server
software can completely overrun the available disk space.

Cheers - Jaimie

 

[Trevor Best]

It's a reply to Kony saying "running their news servers beyond
capacity". Amazing how things change over 12 years, even something as
old fashioned as Usenet.

Even on a "text-only" server, a few stealth binary groups running with
yEnc encoding that isn't recognised by an older version of news-server
software can completely overrun the available disk space.

Hint: You're talking to someone running Windows 98 there

 

[kony]

It's a reply to Kony saying "running their news servers beyond
capacity". Amazing how things change over 12 years, even something as
old fashioned as Usenet.

Even on a "text-only" server, a few stealth binary groups running with
yEnc encoding that isn't recognised by an older version of news-server
software can completely overrun the available disk space.

Cheers - Jaimie

Maybe, but it seems more like you're playing devil's
advocate here, that normally what happens is there are no
binaries and it's just the # of users and bandwidth
exceeding the server capability.

Total capacity can also effect retention time. If their
HDDs were half empty storing 30 days (or whatever) of posts,
odds are far better they would increase or at least continue
supporting that time period, and possibly also carry more
groups up until the capacity of the system were more fully
exploited.

It's not so much incoming data amounts that matter, it's the
client load. Having more stored is not necessarily equal to
more load, because if it is text based a human can only
read it so fast... until other factors cause multiple times
as much client time like embedded HTML that takes longer to
download, not just more space to store.

 

[Derek]

I noticed this with dvd and midi playback mainly.

Its very noticable if you use the environmental audio on SB's while
gaming.I f you are at the edge of the envelope frame rate wise enabling EAX
can send the FR to the toilet I found out while benchmarking a SB L!VE it
took a drop in FR of about 20% making the game only just playable a later
upgrade in the processor balanced this out.
Derek

 

[CBFalconer]

Hint: You're talking to someone running Windows 98 there

Yup. Along with Ubuntu 6.06. Notice the lack of wastage upgrading
Windoze. Running First Edition too.

 

[/Tx2]

On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:04:54 -0000 BluePlanet
from the village of (e-mail address removed)
felt we might be interested in the following...

He happily provided both plain text and HTML, perhaps you should use a
competent newsreader?

You dumb ****.

 

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh interweb kony typed:

Untrue, many don't even carry binary groups and are running
their news servers beyond capacity already.

Exactly. My ISP offers a basic text-only usenet portal, no binaries groups
and often binary posts stripped from non-binary groups. If I want binaries
(which I don't) I'd have to pay something like $US10/month for a different
providor.

For instance, I can't see the post that you are replying to Kony. I don't
know if that's because Jaimie used HTML and it was dropped before it got to
me?

Cheers,

 

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh interweb CBFalconer typed:

Well said. Among all the other things there are newsreaders that
cannot handle anything other than plain text. Others can be set to
reject it. This is why I try to object to any html seen, and I
think the efforts have been paying off.

Good man. I often don't even see posts that are anything other than plain
text as that's the service my providor offers; Plain text only. I'm more
than happy with that.

 

[kony]

Exactly. My ISP offers a basic text-only usenet portal, no binaries groups
and often binary posts stripped from non-binary groups. If I want binaries
(which I don't) I'd have to pay something like $US10/month for a different
providor.

For instance, I can't see the post that you are replying to Kony. I don't
know if that's because Jaimie used HTML and it was dropped before it got to
me?

Cheers,

I dont' know why your server didn't get that message, it was
in plain text with no HTML.

 

[CBFalconer]

.... snip ...


I dont' know why your server didn't get that message, it was in
plain text with no HTML.

That is a fundamental characteristic of Usenet. There are no
message delivery guarantees. That allows it to be efficient. The
actual overall reliability is a good indication of the underlying
Internet reliability.

 

[~misfit~]

Somewhere on teh interweb kony typed:

I dont' know why your server didn't get that message, it was
in plain text with no HTML.

Odd. However, usenet propogation works in mysterious ways. I've had things
like this happen before. <shrug>

 

[Daniel James]

Anyone using a client that doesn't support multipart messages needs
to upgrade - there's no need for messages to be purely plain text.

I think it's for the individual user to decide what software he uses.

When reading a newsgroup whose charter explicitly states that HTML (among
other things is *forbidden* a user has the right to expect that he has no
need to use a newsreader that can read HTML.

The charter's here:
http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.comp.homebuilt.html#uk.comp.homebuilt

It doesn't just say that postings have to be readable in plain text, it
says that HTML is forbidden and that posts must be in plain text.

If you think that that's excessively restricting, campaign to get the
charter changed (I confidently predict that you will not succeed). Don't
just tell people that it's OK to ignore the charter because it's "based on
a standard defined in 1987" because that way leads to anarchy and chaos.

Cheers,
Daniel.

 

[Jaimie Vandenbergh]

Somewhere on teh interweb kony typed: [snip]
For instance, I can't see the post that you are replying to Kony. I don't
know if that's because Jaimie used HTML and it was dropped before it got to
me?

Gawd, no. I despise HTML in Usenet. I'm not playing devil's advocate
or anything here, I was specifically objecting to the statement that
HTML==high bandwidth therefore causes ISPs to drop user support.

Cheers - Jaimie

 

[CBFalconer]

.... snip ...

The charter's here:
http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.comp.homebuilt.html#uk.comp.homebuilt

It doesn't just say that postings have to be readable in plain text,
it says that HTML is forbidden and that posts must be in plain text.

You should also bear in mind that this thread is cross-posted. You
do not know that every news-server carrying one group also carries
the other. Thus, for compatibility, you should ensure that the
message is as simple as possible. That means no html. Pure text,
please.