Old cdrom

[Jonny]

Updated circa year 2000 board with a more current 2005 board and cpu/RAM,
replaced hard drive.

Installed XP SP2 on one partition. Copied 98SE from original hard drive to
new one. Installed system commander for dual boot manager.
Stripped drivers updated 98SE drivers, all is fine including cdrom.

Problem is cdrom in XP. Some cds may be visible, and do a partial
installation then quit. XP at that point can't even find a CD media
inserted even though it is inserted. Don't have the same problem in 98SE at
all, even with same CD media.

Tried 3 different cdroms, all circa 98-99 manufacture dates on them. 2 have
results noted previously, one doesn't recognize any CD media in XP. Bios
see all 3 at boot time.

I did replace the old (7 year old) 40 wire ribbon cable with an 80 wire
ribbon cable. All work on other older PCs and in 98SE on the same PC.

My guess is to go back to the 40 wire version ide cable as this is the only
thing in common. Throw me a clue.

 

[Sunny]

Updated circa year 2000 board with a more current 2005 board and cpu/RAM,
replaced hard drive.

Installed XP SP2 on one partition. Copied 98SE from original hard drive to
new one. Installed system commander for dual boot manager.
Stripped drivers updated 98SE drivers, all is fine including cdrom.

Problem is cdrom in XP. Some cds may be visible, and do a partial
installation then quit. XP at that point can't even find a CD media
inserted even though it is inserted. Don't have the same problem in 98SE at
all, even with same CD media.

Tried 3 different cdroms, all circa 98-99 manufacture dates on them. 2 have
results noted previously, one doesn't recognize any CD media in XP. Bios
see all 3 at boot time.

I did replace the old (7 year old) 40 wire ribbon cable with an 80 wire
ribbon cable. All work on other older PCs and in 98SE on the same PC.

My guess is to go back to the 40 wire version ide cable as this is the only
thing in common. Throw me a clue.

Doesn't make any sense, does it?

Obviously the hardware works fine, it's just XP being "picky" :-(

I'm also in the habit of running older hardware, and have seen such
nonsense on several occasions - although I've never run W98 so in my
case it's always been "works in NT4, won't work in XP".

My solutions have always involved trial and error rearranging of devices
on the IDE channels. I don't know why that would make a difference, but
it has solved similar XP issues for me.

HTH

Sunny

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User]

CD drives have a useful life of around four years.. buy a new one..

 

[Guest]

CD players made before 1998 will not read CD-R-RW media... Some CD players
made in 99, 2000 may or may not read depending on the OEM or month of
manufacture.. This is due to the simple fact that at that time, give or take,
CD recording devices were just starting to be affordable and installed in OEM
computers in late 99, 2000.. (A UDF reader may work on some older models,
Linux may support them as well..)
Of course this depended on how much money you wanted to pay for cutting edge
technology then, so it may very a bit.. When CD recorders first hit the
market they were very expensive and media availability was limited and would
only play in the CD recording devices.. Any CD player dated 2001- to present
should be able to read CD-R-RW recordable media.. XP may be finicky with
older devices if they are not on the compatibility list or do not have the XP
logo on the OEM retail box..
If you have a Retail XP installation CD just run the compatibility checkup
Wiz and see if it finds any problems..
j;-j

 

[Jonny]

Let's see, I told you worked fine in 98SE. Same hardware, same PC. Problem
in XP, same PC.

You stated a useful life. Yet I told you it worked in 98SE.

Now you want to throw money at it. Good fix if it works, but doesn't
acknowledge or address the problem. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Are you sure you're an MVP??????????????????
--
Jonny

CD drives have a useful life of around four years.. buy a new one..

 

[Jonny]

Two run circa 98, one May 99.
Using generic XP install from mwave.com as source retailer.
Have tried both burned CDs and pressed CDs of StarWars (for grandkids). XP
installed with a few problems accessing files, finally, all worked out okay
during install.

Thanks for addressing the hardware problems I've noted instead of just
telling me to buy new hardware without a reason.

Doesn't explain why same (same burned CDs) worked fine in 98SE though.

 

[paulmd]

Updated circa year 2000 board with a more current 2005 board and cpu/RAM,
replaced hard drive.

Installed XP SP2 on one partition. Copied 98SE from original hard drive to
new one. Installed system commander for dual boot manager.
Stripped drivers updated 98SE drivers, all is fine including cdrom.

Problem is cdrom in XP. Some cds may be visible, and do a partial
installation then quit. XP at that point can't even find a CD media
inserted even though it is inserted. Don't have the same problem in 98SE at
all, even with same CD media.

Tried 3 different cdroms, all circa 98-99 manufacture dates on them. 2 have
results noted previously, one doesn't recognize any CD media in XP. Bios
see all 3 at boot time.

I did replace the old (7 year old) 40 wire ribbon cable with an 80 wire
ribbon cable. All work on other older PCs and in 98SE on the same PC.

My guess is to go back to the 40 wire version ide cable as this is the only
thing in common. Throw me a clue.

I can throw you a couple of questions.

1) Is this a clean install of XP?
2) Do you play games that may have aggressive copy protection?
3) is there a pattern of CDs that won't work? Burns vs factory?
4) have you checked for Virii or spyware?

Yes I have seen some old CDroms not play nice with 80 wire cables. A 6
year old CDROM will not have performance benifits from the 80wire
cable.So there's really no reason to use one.


I've seen plenty of ancient 4x cdroms work perfectly fine. And I've
also seen that the faster drives don't seem as long.

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User]

Jonny

Like it or not, optical drives have a useful life of around four years.. if
you get more, then good for you.. cleaning the lens with a CD lens cleaner
disc can sometimes overcome problems, but if an optical drive continues NOT
to read some files, then it is time to replace it.. optical drives are cheap
enough these days, and way faster than they were four to five years ago..
personally, I see no purpose in keeping a slow and unreliable CD drive in a
system..

I also fail top see how replacing an old, unreliable CD drive with a new one
does not address the problem.. but whatever..

--
Mike Hall
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User

Let's see, I told you worked fine in 98SE. Same hardware, same PC.
Problem in XP, same PC.

You stated a useful life. Yet I told you it worked in 98SE.

Now you want to throw money at it. Good fix if it works, but doesn't
acknowledge or address the problem. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Are you sure you're an MVP??????????????????

 

[Jonny]

HELLO, MCFLY, HELLO. I SAID IT WORKS IN 98SE. Therefore, not hardware.
Try again dork, definitely not an MVP. Can't read either.

 

[Jonny]

Clean install. New partition, made and formatted by XP install Cd.
No games played on this thing yet, new install of XP w/SP2 that's it.
Had more luck with XP install CD, and a CD with installation apps I
burned/made on another PC w/98SE and Nero 5.5. StarWars CDs (2) original
pressed versions, flaky. AOL trial version 9.0 even worse (for daughter).

Based on previous advice by an NON-MVP, I bought a Sony 16X DVD +/- dual
layer DVD burner. All is well now. The former cdrom worked fine on the PC
prior to upgrading to new mobo/cpu/RAM/hard drive. So tend to believe
his/her contentions about 98/99 or pre these years and post 2000 cd readers
(rationale/reason). Grandkids have StarWars game installed and working now.
Daughter is estatic about a DVD player on her PC. My pocketbook wasn't that
bad off as Office Depot had at register rebate and additional mail in
rebate. Came with Nero to boot.

Thanks to the thinking and reasoning folks here.

No viruses or spyware. NAV 2004 installed fresh with updates. Windows XP
SP2 firewall is on of course to get the big ole NAV 2004 updates on phone
modem.

Still curious why a cdrom would work fine in 98SE, yet XP have problems
using it. Maybe Bill G. can take some time out to answer? Volunteers
(MVPs) appear useless in this arena for people with thought process
requiring evidence, not unproven assertions.

XP problems - install StarWars game - would install the smaller files
quickly, then stall on the last 3 major files. May or may not succeed. If
successful, crash on the 2nd major file on the 2nd CD. XP, at that point,
could not find cd media at all. Including removing and reinsering the
media. AOL CD would crash almost anyplace. NAV 2004, even though disabled,
would be have to be removed and reinstalled after the AOL gambit attempt.

NAV2004 was installed from burned CD previously mentioned. Was downloaded
from Symantec as a purchase. Its primary use PC has been retired. so, put
it on my daughter's PC.

With DVD burner previously mentioned, StarWars Game installed fine from the
same 2 CDs previously mentioned. No quirks, burps. It just did it. Game
plays fine. AOL? Leaving that up to daughter dear. Recommending Earthlink
to her, lesser evil of the two.

Used DriveImage 7.0 imaging (boot CD) to restore prior installation of XP
and NAV after AOL 9.0 trashed NAV 2004. Source of image was firewire hard
drive.

 

[paulmd]

Clean install. New partition, made and formatted by XP install Cd.
No games played on this thing yet, new install of XP w/SP2 that's it.
Had more luck with XP install CD, and a CD with installation apps I
burned/made on another PC w/98SE and Nero 5.5. StarWars CDs (2) original
pressed versions, flaky. AOL trial version 9.0 even worse (for daughter).

Based on previous advice by an NON-MVP, I bought a Sony 16X DVD +/- dual
layer DVD burner. All is well now. The former cdrom worked fine on the PC
prior to upgrading to new mobo/cpu/RAM/hard drive. So tend to believe
his/her contentions about 98/99 or pre these years and post 2000 cd readers
(rationale/reason). Grandkids have StarWars game installed and working now.
Daughter is estatic about a DVD player on her PC. My pocketbook wasn't that
bad off as Office Depot had at register rebate and additional mail in
rebate. Came with Nero to boot.

Thanks to the thinking and reasoning folks here.

No viruses or spyware. NAV 2004 installed fresh with updates. Windows XP
SP2 firewall is on of course to get the big ole NAV 2004 updates on phone
modem.

Still curious why a cdrom would work fine in 98SE, yet XP have problems
using it. Maybe Bill G. can take some time out to answer? Volunteers
(MVPs) appear useless in this arena for people with thought process
requiring evidence, not unproven assertions.

<and there was much shippage>

I'm not sure why XP would not like a CDROM drive that 98 said was fine.
THe only thing I can think of is DMA support, which is usually turned
OFF in 98 (you have to manually enable it), It's something to check,
anyway, if that old CDROM hasn't met its maker yet.

DMA support is controlled in different spots in 98, as in 2000/XP. In
98 it is controlled with the device, ant in 2000/XP it is with the IDE
channel. Both in the device manager.

 

[Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User]

XP does not tolerate hardware that may not be all that it could.. Win 9x/ME
was not so fussy.. (note. kfa)..

Please try to be more civil.. it really doesn't hurt..

 

[Jonny]

<and there was much shippage>

I'm not sure why XP would not like a CDROM drive that 98 said was fine.
THe only thing I can think of is DMA support, which is usually turned
OFF in 98 (you have to manually enable it), It's something to check,
anyway, if that old CDROM hasn't met its maker yet.

DMA support is controlled in different spots in 98, as in 2000/XP. In
98 it is controlled with the device, ant in 2000/XP it is with the IDE
channel. Both in the device manager.

XP defaulted to PIO mode with the old CDROM. I tried multiword2 (MW2) DMA
available on the secondary controller for it, no change in perfomance or
reliability.

 

[Jonny]

Just expect more evidence from an MVP. I don't believe that is
unreasonable. I know you're a volunteer. Am used to more fluency from the
seasoned MVPs. There's a few others that tweak me because of the same
reason.

Bear in mind a tacit response from an MPV with no foundation may tweak some
seasoned users seeking information. Yet, may be much more tolerant of other
responses from others. Another words, I expect more from an MVP that
advertises that title.

 

[paulmd]

XP defaulted to PIO mode with the old CDROM. I tried multiword2 (MW2) DMA
available on the secondary controller for it, no change in perfomance or
reliability.

 

[paulmd]

XP defaulted to PIO mode with the old CDROM. I tried multiword2 (MW2) DMA
available on the secondary controller for it, no change in perfomance or
reliability.

Sometimes it's just one of those things where you have to shake your
head and wonder at what the problem was. In any case, it appears to be
flaky hardware. Did reverting to 40 wire cabling make any difference?