OEM VS. RETAIL FULL VERSION

K

kurttrail

Bruce said:
Greetings --

Don't waste you time trying to carry on a rational discussion with
Kurttrail; he's made up his mind long ago not to be influenced by the
facts.

Show me a fact first, not the unsubstantiated claims of an obviously biased
party.
He doesn't even seem to realize that the very court decisions
and laws that he so frequently quotes completely undermine his own
arguments.

Not after I go on and show what law MS's EULA violates, and show how
unconscionable it's EULA terms are. And what ya'll fail to have seen is
that the particular license term cover the public commercial use of a
database, and in no way, back up the bait and switch quality of turning a
"shrink-wrap license" into a private use software license rewriting
copyright laws in the process.

Again, should IBM just give in to SCO just because they've made some
unsubstantiated claims of IBM violating the UNIX license?

Not one of you chickensh*t MicroDrones will ever answer this, huh?
Many of us have tried to point out Kurt's reading comprehension
problems, but it became clear quite some time ago that he's not really
interested in anything besides mindlessly slamming Microsoft (all the
while hypocritically ignoring other software manufacturers who have
similar licensing and business practices).

Oh I don't ignore the other member of the BSA Trust. Bruce just hides
himself from reading my words, so then he can just make sh*t up about what
he thinks I have said.
So I, at least, keep him
in the kill-file and see his posts only when someone else replies to
him. I do occasionally enter the discussion when it seems appropriate
or necessary to point out the fallacies of his "reasoning" to others
reading the thread.

LOL! How would he really know my "reasoning" since he admittedly doesn't
read all of it? Who is the real hypocrite? Bruce own words show him to be
the hypocrite time & time again.
Didn't you notice how he inevitably resorts to name-calling when
he finally realizes that he isn't going to get another convert to the
"Kurttrail's Kopyright Kult?"

ROFL! I am an equal opportunity offender. When someone acts like a moron,
or a chickensh*t, I am not afraid to point it out. Better than ya'll, just
attacking me, yet leaving my rational & logical opinions to stand all on
their own.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
W

wojo

The part of the EULA that pertains to the topic:

..By installing, copying, downloading, accessing or otherwise
..using the SOFTWARE, you agree to be bound by the terms of this
..EULA. If you do not agree to the terms of this EULA, you may
..not use or copy the SOFTWARE, and you should promptly contact
..Manufacturer for instructions on return of
..the unused product(s) for a refund in accordance with
..Manufacturer's return policies.
..SOFTWARE PRODUCT LICENSE
..The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if
..the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
..computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
..HARDWARE is a computer system component.

The installer agree to the EULA before you ever install the product (by
clicking on the I agree radio button) making it legal and binding under the
law you so love to quote. I don't have to argue any other point with you
because THAT is the one that matters.

Agree or disagree with this EULA it makes no difference. Telling me I am
wrong or Bruce or anybody else that argues the point with you makes no
difference. The fact that it is legal and binding, like it or not, IS the
entire point.

And since I know you would point out the ommision here's the entire EULA:

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This End-User
License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you
(either an individual or a single legal entity) and the
manufacturer ("Manufacturer") of the computer system or
computer system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired
the Microsoft software product(s) identified on the
Certificate of Authenticity ("COA") affixed to the HARDWARE or
on the associated product documentation ("SOFTWARE"). The
SOFTWARE includes Microsoft computer software, and may include
associated media, printed materials, "online" or electronic
documentation, and Internet based services. Note, however,
that any software, documentation, or web services that are
included in the SOFTWARE, or accessible via the SOFTWARE, and
are accompanied by their own license agreements or terms of
use are governed by such agreements rather than this EULA.
The terms of a printed paper EULA, which may accompany the
SOFTWARE, supersede the terms of any on-screen EULA. This
EULA is valid and grants the end-user rights ONLY if the
SOFTWARE is genuine and a genuine Certificate of Authenticity
for the SOFTWARE is included. For more information on
identifying whether your software is genuine, please see
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell.

By installing, copying, downloading, accessing or otherwise
using the SOFTWARE, you agree to be bound by the terms of this
EULA. If you do not agree to the terms of this EULA, you may
not use or copy the SOFTWARE, and you should promptly contact
Manufacturer for instructions on return of
the unused product(s) for a refund in accordance with
Manufacturer's return policies.
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The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if
the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

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rights, provided you comply with all of the terms and
conditions of this EULA:
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provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access, display
and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER.
The SOFTWARE may not be used by more than one (1) processor
at any one time on the COMPUTER, unless a higher number is
indicated on the Certificate of Authenticity. You may permit
a maximum of five (5) ("Connection Maximum") computers or
other electronic devices (each a "Device") to connect to the
COMPUTER to utilize one or more of the following services of
the SOFTWARE: File services, Print services, Internet
Information services, and remote access (including connection
sharing and telephony services). The five (5) Connection
Maximum includes any indirect connections made through
"multiplexing" or other software or hardware which pools or
aggregates connections. Except as otherwise permitted herein,
you may not use the Device to use, access, display or run the
SOFTWARE, the SOFTWARE's User Interface or other executable
software residing on the COMPUTER. This ten connection
maximum does not apply to any other uses of the Product.
* Software as a Component of the Computer - Transfer. THIS
LICENSE MAY NOT BE SHARED, TRANSFERRED TO OR
USED CONCURRENTLY ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS.
The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single
integrated product and may only be used with the COMPUTER. If
the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE, you may not use
the SOFTWARE. You may permanently transfer all of your rights
under this EULA only as part of a permanent sale or transfer
of the COMPUTER, provided you retain no copies, if you
transfer the SOFTWARE (including all component parts, the
media, any upgrades, this EULA and the Certificate of
Authenticity), and the recipient agrees to the terms of this
EULA. If the SOFTWARE is an upgrade, any transfer must also
include all prior versions of the SOFTWARE.
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CONTAINS TECHNOLOGICAL MEASURES THAT ARE
DESIGNED TO PREVENT UNLICENSED OR ILLEGAL USE
OF THE SOFTWARE. The license rights granted under this EULA
are limited to the first thirty (30) days after you first run
the SOFTWARE unless you supply information required to
activate your licensed copy in the manner described during the
setup sequence (unless Manufacturer has activated for you).
You can activate the SOFTWARE through the use of the Internet
or telephone; toll charges may apply. You may also need to
reactivate the SOFTWARE if you modify your HARDWARE or alter
the SOFTWARE. MS, Microsoft Corporation and its subsidiaries
will use those measures to confirm you have a legally licensed
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the SOFTWARE, you are not allowed to install the SOFTWARE or
future SOFTWARE updates. MS, Microsoft Corporation and its
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information from your computer during this process.
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("Secure Content") so that their intellectual property,
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Portions of this Software and third party applications such as
media players use DRM to play Secure Content ("DRM Software").
If the DRM Software's security has been compromised, owners of
Secure Content ("Secure Content Owners") may request that
Microsoft Licensing, Inc. ("MS"), Microsoft Corporation or
their subsidiaries revoke the DRM Software's right to copy,
display and/or play Secure Content. Revocation does not alter
the DRM Software's ability to play unprotected content. A
list of revoked DRM Software is sent to your computer whenever
you download a license for Secure Content from the Internet.
You therefore agree that MS, Microsoft Corporation or their
subsidiaries may, in conjunction with such license, also
download revocation lists onto your computer on behalf of
Secure Content Owners. MS, Microsoft Corporation or their
subsidiaries will not retrieve any personally identifiable
information, or any other information, from your computer by
downloading such revocation lists. Secure Content Owners may
also require you to upgrade some of the DRM components in this
Software ("DRM Upgrades") before accessing their content.
When you attempt to play such content, Microsoft DRM Software
will notify you that a DRM Upgrade is required and then ask
for your consent before the DRM Upgrade is downloaded. Third
party DRM Software may do the same. If you decline the
upgrade, you will not be able to access content that requires
the DRM Upgrade; however, you will still be able to access
unprotected content and Secure Content that does not require
the upgrade.
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PURPOSES AND TO REINSTALL THE SOFTWARE ON THE
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LEND OR OTHERWISE TRANSFER THE CD OR BACK-UP
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software which provides similar functionality for a similar
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any limit on the number of Device connections and without
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the license agreement accompanying the applicable product or
contact the applicable licensor to determine whether use of
the product with Remote Assistance, or NetMeeting is
permitted without an additional license. As used above,
a session means the experience delivered by the SOFTWARE
similar to when a user is using the input, output and
display peripherals attached to the COMPUTER.
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Corporation and their affiliates may collect and use technical
information gathered in any manner as part of the product
support services provided to you, if any, related to the
SOFTWARE. MS, Microsoft Corporation and their affiliates may
use this information solely to improve their products or to
provide customized services or technologies to you. MS,
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information to others, but not in a form that personally
identifies you.
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the Internet gaming or update features within the SOFTWARE, it
is necessary to use certain COMPUTER system, hardware, and
software information to implement the features. By using
these features, you explicitly authorize MS, Microsoft
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information solely to improve our products or to provide
customized services or technologies to you. MS or Microsoft
Corporation may disclose this information to others, but not
in a form that personally identifies you.
* Internet-Based Services Components. The SOFTWARE contains
components that enable and facilitate the use of
certain Internet-based services. You acknowledge and agree
that MS, Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may
automatically check the version of the SOFTWARE and/or its
components that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades or
supplements to the SOFTWARE that may be automatically
downloaded to your COMPUTER.
* Language Version Selection. (i) Manufacturer may have
elected to provide you with a one-time selection of two or
more language versions of the SOFTWARE as part of the SOFTWARE
setup process. In such event, you are licensed to use only
one (1) of the language versions provided. Once you have used
a language version, you are not licensed to use any of the
other language versions that Manufacturer may have included
with the COMPUTER. (ii) Notwithstanding the preceding, if
Manufacturer has elected to provide you with a Multilingual
User Interface ("MUI") for certain language versions with
additional language version support of the SOFTWARE, the
preceding limitation to select and use only one language
version of the SOFTWARE shall not apply, so long as (A) you
acknowledge that the MUI, and the language support contained
therein, is a part of the SOFTWARE, (B) you only use the MUI
with the SOFTWARE, and (C) you comply with all of the other
terms and conditions of this EULA.
* Operating System Selection. Manufacturer may have elected
to provide you with a selection of Microsoft operating system
software for the COMPUTER. As part of the setup process for
the SOFTWARE you may be given a one-time option to select one
(1) Microsoft operating system. Upon selection, the one (1)
Microsoft operating system selected by you will be set up on
the COMPUTER, and the other Microsoft operating system (s) not
selected by you will be automatically and permanently deleted
from the hard disk of the COMPUTER and thereafter you are
licensed to use only the one (1) Microsoft operating system
selected. If the COMPUTER is accompanied by more than one (1)
COA for a Microsoft operating system, you are licensed to use
each Microsoft operating system(s) for which a COA is
provided.
* ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE/SERVICES. The terms of
this EULA apply to Microsoft updates, supplements, add-on
components, or Internet-based services components of the
SOFTWARE ("Supplemental Components") that Manufacturer, MS,
Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may provide to you
or make available to you after the date you obtain your
initial copy of the SOFTWARE, unless other terms are provided
along with such Supplemental Components. If other terms are
not provided along with such Supplemental Components and the
Supplemental Components are provided to you by MS, Microsoft
Corporation or their subsidiaries then you will be licensed by
such entity under the same terms and conditions of this EULA,
except that (i) MS, Microsoft Corporation or their
subsidiaries providing the Supplemental Components will be the
licensor with respect to such Supplemental Components in lieu
of the "Manufacturer" for the purposes of the EULA, and (ii)
TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE
LAW, THE SUPPLEMENTAL COMPONENTS AND ANY (IF
ANY) SUPPORT SERVICES RELATED TO THE
SUPPLEMENTAL COMPONENTS ARE PROVIDED AS IS
AND WITH ALL FAULTS. ALL OTHER DISCLAIMERS,
LIMITATION OF DAMAGES, AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
PROVIDED BELOW AND/OR OTHERWISE WITH THE
SOFTWARE SHALL APPLY TO SUCH
SUPPLEMENTAL COMPONENTS.
Manufacturer, MS, Microsoft Corporation and their
subsidiaries reserves the right to discontinue any
Microsoft Internet-based services provided to you or made
available to you through the use of the SOFTWARE.
This EULA does not grant you any rights to use the
Windows Media Format Software Development Kit ("WMFSDK")
components contained in the SOFTWARE to develop a software
application that uses Windows Media technology. If you wish
to use the WMFSDK to develop such an application, visit
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/imedia/windowsmedia
/sdk/wmsdk.asp, accept a separate license for the WMFSDK,
download the appropriate WMFSDK, and install it on your system.
* Limitations on Reverse Engineering, Decompilation and
Disassembly. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or
disassemble the SOFTWARE, except and only to the extent that
such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law
notwithstanding this limitation.
* Separation of Components. The SOFTWARE is licensed as a
single product. Its component parts may not be separated for
use on more than one COMPUTER.
* Single EULA. The package for the SOFTWARE may contain
multiple versions of this EULA, such as multiple translations
and/or multiple media versions (e.g., in the user
documentation and in the software). In this case, you are
only licensed to use the SOFTWARE for which a COA is provided.
* Termination. Without prejudice to any other rights,
Manufacturer or MS may cancel this EULA if you do not abide by
the terms and conditions contained herein. In such event, you
must destroy all copies of the SOFTWARE and all of its
component parts.
* Trademarks. This EULA does not grant you any rights in
connection with any trademarks or service marks of
Manufacturer, MS or its suppliers (including Microsoft Corporation).
3. UPGRADES. If the SOFTWARE is labeled as an upgrade, you
must be properly licensed to use a product identified by
MS or Microsoft Corporation as being eligible for the
upgrade in order to use the SOFTWARE ("Eligible Product").
For the purpose of upgrade(s) only, "HARDWARE" shall mean
the computer system or computer system component with
which you received the Eligible Product. SOFTWARE labeled
as an upgrade replaces and/or supplements (and may
disable, if upgrading a Microsoft software product) the
Eligible Product which came with the HARDWARE. After
upgrading, you may no longer use the SOFTWARE that formed
the basis for your upgrade eligibility (unless otherwise
provided). You may use the resulting upgraded product
only in accordance with the terms of this EULA and only
with the HARDWARE. If the SOFTWARE is an upgrade of a
component of a package of software programs that you
licensed as a single product, the SOFTWARE may be used and
transferred only as part of that single product package
and may not be separated for use on more than one computer.

4. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. All title
and intellectual property rights in and to the SOFTWARE
(including but not limited to any images, photographs,
animations, video, audio, music, text and "applets,"
incorporated into the SOFTWARE), the accompanying printed
materials, and any copies of the SOFTWARE, are owned by
MS or its suppliers (including Microsoft Corporation).
The SOFTWARE is licensed, not sold. All title and
intellectual property rights in and to the content that
is not contained in the SOFTWARE, but which may be
accessed through use of the SOFTWARE is the property of
the respective content owner and may be protected by
applicable copyright or other intellectual property laws
and treaties. Use of any on-line services which may be
accessed through the SOFTWARE may be governed by the
respective terms of use relating to such services. If
this SOFTWARE contains documentation that is provided
only in electronic form, you may print one copy of such
electronic documentation. You may not copy the printed
materials accompanying the SOFTWARE.

5. PRODUCT SUPPORT. SOFTWARE support for the
SOFTWARE is not provided by MS, Microsoft Corporation, or
their affiliates or subsidiaries. For product support,
please refer to Manufacturer's support number provided in
the documentation for the HARDWARE. Should you have any
questions concerning this EULA, or if you desire to
contact Manufacturer for any other reason, please refer to
the address provided in the documentation for the HARDWARE.

6. LINKS TO THIRD PARTY SITES. You may link
to third party sites through the use of the SOFTWARE.
The third party sites are not under the control of MS or
Microsoft Corporation, and MS or Microsoft Corporation
are not responsible for the contents of any third party
sites, any links contained in third party sites, or any
changes or updates to third party sites. MS or Microsoft
Corporation are not responsible for webcasting or any
other form of transmission received from any third party
sites. MS or Microsoft Corporation are providing these
links to third party sites to you only as a convenience,
and the inclusion of any link does not imply an
endorsement by MS or Microsoft Corporation of the third
party site.

7. EXPORT RESTRICTIONS. You acknowledge that
the SOFTWARE is subject to U.S. export jurisdiction. You
agree to comply with all applicable international and
national laws that apply to the products, including the
U.S. Export Administration Regulations, as well as end
-user, end-use and destination restrictions issued by U
.S. and other governments. For additional information,
see http://www.microsoft.com/exporting/.

8. U.S. GOVERNMENT LICENSE RIGHTS. All
SOFTWARE PRODUCT provided to the U.S.
Government pursuant to solicitations issued on or after
December 1, 1995 is provided with the commercial rights
and restrictions described elsewhere herein. All
SOFTWARE provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to
solicitations issued prior to December 1, 1995 is
provided with RESTRICTED RIGHTS as provided for in FAR,
48 CFR 52.227-14 (JUNE 1987) or FAR, 48 CFR 252.227-7013
(OCT 1988), as applicable.

9. ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS. FOR THE LIMITED
WARRANTIES, LIMITATION OF LIABILITY, AND
OTHER SPECIAL PROVISIONS, PLEASE REFER TO
THE ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS PROVIDED BELOW
AND/OR OTHERWISE WITH THE SOFTWARE. SUCH
LIMITED WARRANTIES, LIMITATION OF
LIABILITY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS ARE AN
INTEGRAL PART OF THIS EULA.

APPENDIX
WARRANTY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
FOR
AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND OR PAPUA NEW GUINEA

EXPRESS LIMITED WARRANTY

CONSUMER RIGHTS. Consumers may have the benefit of certain
rights or remedies pursuant to the Trade Practices Act and
similar state and territory laws in Australia or the Consumer
Guarantees Act in New Zealand, in respect of which certain
liability may not be excluded.

LIMITED EXPRESS WARRANTY. Manufacturer
warrants that: (a) the SOFTWARE will perform substantially in
accordance with the accompanying Product Manual(s) for a
period of 90 days from the date of receipt; and (b) any
Microsoft hardware accompanying SOFTWARE will be free from
defects in materials and workmanship under normal use and
service for a period of 1 year from the date of receipt.

CUSTOMER REMEDIES. To the maximum extent permitted under
applicable law, Manufacturer's and its supplier's entire
liability and your exclusive remedy under the express warranty
is, at Manufacturer's option, either (a) return of the
price paid; or (b) repair or replacement of the SOFTWARE or
Microsoft hardware which does not meet the warranty and which
is returned to Manufacturer with a copy of your receipt. The
warranty is void if failure of the SOFTWARE or Microsoft
hardware has resulted from accident, abuse or misapplication.
Any replacement SOFTWARE and/or Microsoft hardware will be
warranted for the remainder of the original warranty period or
30 days, whichever is longer.

LIMITATION OF LIABILITY. To the maximum
extent permitted by applicable law, any conditions or
warranties imposed or implied by law are hereby excluded.
Consumers may nevertheless have the benefit of certain rights
or remedies pursuant to the Trade Practices Act and similar
state and territory laws in Australia or the Consumer
Guarantees Act in New Zealand, in respect of which liability
may not be excluded. Insofar as such liability may not be
excluded, then to the maximum extent permitted by law, such
liability is limited, at the exclusive option of
Manufacturer, to either (a) replacement of the SOFTWARE (and
any accompanying hardware supplied); or (b) correction of
defects in the SOFTWARE; or (c) payment of the cost of having
defects in the SOFTWARE (and any accompanying hardware
supplied).

EXCLUSION OF LIABILITY/DAMAGES. The
following is without prejudice to any rights you may have at
law which cannot legally be excluded or restricted. You
acknowledge that no promise, representation, warranty or
undertaking has been made or given by Manufacturer and/or
Microsoft Corporation (or related company of either) to any
person or company on its behalf in relation to the
profitability of or any other consequences or benefits to be
obtained from the delivery or use of the SOFTWARE and any
accompanying Microsoft hardware, software, manuals or written
materials. You have relied upon your own skill and judgement
in deciding to acquire the SOFTWARE and any accompanying
hardware, manuals and written materials for use by you.
Except as and to the extent provided in this agreement,
neither Manufacturer and/or Microsoft Corporation (or related
company of either) will in any circumstances be liable for any
other damages whatsoever (including, without limitation,
damages for loss of business, business interruption, loss of
business information or other indirect or consequential loss)
arising out of the use or inability to use or supply or non
-supply of the SOFTWARE and any accompanying hardware and
written materials. Manufacturer's and/or Microsoft
Corporation (or related company of either) total liability
under any provision of this agreement is in any case limited
to the amount actually paid by you for the SOFTWARE and/or
Microsoft hardware.

This agreement is governed by the laws of New South Wales,
Australia or, where supplies are made in New Zealand, by the
laws of New Zealand.

APPENDIX
WARRANTY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
FOR
ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, WALES AND IRELAND

LIMITED WARRANTY

LIMITED WARRANTY. Manufacturer warrants that (a) the
SOFTWARE will perform substantially in accordance with the
accompanying written materials for a period of ninety (90)
days from the date of receipt, and (b) any Microsoft hardware
accompanying the SOFTWARE will be free from defects in
materials and workmanship under normal use and service for a
period of one (1) year from the date of receipt. Any implied
warranties on the SOFTWARE and Microsoft hardware are limited
to ninety (90) days and one (1) year, respectively.
Some states/jurisdictions do not allow limitations on duration
of an implied warranty, so the above limitation may not apply to you.

CUSTOMER REMEDIES. Manufacturer's and its suppliers' entire
liability and your exclusive remedy shall be, at
Manufacturer's option, either (a) return of the price paid, or
(b) repair or replacement of the SOFTWARE or hardware that
does not meet this Limited Warranty and which is returned to
Manufacturer with a copy of your receipt. This Limited
Warranty is void if failure of the SOFTWARE or hardware has
resulted from accident, abuse, or misapplication. Any
replacement SOFTWARE or hardware will be warranted for the
remainder of the original warranty period or thirty (30) days,
whichever is longer.

NO OTHER WARRANTIES. To the maximum extent permitted by
applicable law, Manufacturer and its suppliers disclaim all
other representations, warranties, conditions or other terms,
either express or implied, including, but not limited to
implied warranties amd/or conditions of merchantability and
fitness for a particular purpose, with regard to the SOFTWARE,
the accompanying written materials, and any accompanying
hardware. This limited warranty gives you specific legal
rights. You may have others which vary from state
/jurisdiction to state/jurisdiction.

NO LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. To
the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, in no event
shall Manufacturer or its suppliers be liable for any damages
whatsoever (including without limitation, direct or indirect
damages for personal injury, loss of business profits,
business interruption, loss of business information, or any
other pecuniary loss) arising out of the use of or inability
to use this product, even if Manufacturer has been advised of
the possibility of such damages. In any case, Manufacturer's
and its suppliers' entire liability under any provision of
this agreement shall be limited to the amount actually paid by
you for the SOFTWARE and/or Microsoft hardware. Because some
states/jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion or limitation
of liability for consequential or incidental damages, the
above limitation may not apply to you.

SPECIAL PROVISIONS

Reverse Engineering: If you acquired the SOFTWARE in the
European Community, you may not reverse engineer, decompile,
or dissassemble the SOFTWARE except to the extent and for the
express purposes authorized by applicable law.

This Software License Agreement is governed by the laws
of England.

APPENDIX
WARRANTY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
FOR
CANADA

LIMITED WARRANTY

LIMITED WARRANTY. Manufacturer warrants that (a) the
SOFTWARE will perform substantially in accordance with the
accompanying written materials for a period of ninety (90)
days from the date of receipt, and (b) any Microsoft hardware
accompanying the SOFTWARE will be free from defects in
materials and workmanship under normal use and service for a
period of one (1) year from the date of receipt. Any implied
warranties or conditions on the SOFTWARE and Microsoft
hardware are limited to ninety (90) days and one (1) year,
respectively. Some states/jurisdictions do not allow
limitations on duration of an implied warranty, so the above
limitation may not apply to you.

CUSTOMER REMEDIES. Manufacturer's and its suppliers' entire
liability and your exclusive remedy shall be, at
Manufacturer's option, either (a) return of the price paid, or
(b) repair or replacement of the SOFTWARE or hardware that
does not meet this Limited Warranty and which is returned to
Manufacturer with a copy of your receipt. This Limited
Warranty is void if failure of the SOFTWARE or hardware has
resulted from accident, abuse, or misapplication. Any
replacement SOFTWARE or hardware will be warranted for the
remainder of the original warranty period or thirty (30) days,
whichever is longer.

NO OTHER WARRANTIES. To the maximum extent permitted by
applicable law, Manufacturer and its suppliers disclaim all
other warranties, either express or implied, including, but
not limited to implied warranties of merchantability and
fitness for a particular purpose, with regard to the SOFTWARE,
the accompanying written materials, and any accompanying
hardware. This limited warranty gives you specific legal
rights. You may have others which vary from state
/jurisdiction to state/jurisdiction.

NO LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. To
the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, in no event
shall Manufacturer or its suppliers be liable for any damages
whatsoever (including without limitation, direct or indirect
damages for personal injury, loss of business profits,
business interruption, loss of business information, or any
other pecuniary loss) arising out of the use of or inability
to use this product, even if Manufacturer has been advised of
the possibility of such damages. In any case, Manufacturer's
and its suppliers' entire liability under any provision of
this agreement shall be limited to the amount actually paid by
you for the SOFTWARE and/or Microsoft hardware. Because some
states/jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion or limitation
of liability for consequential or incidental damages, the
above limitation may not apply to you.

This Software License Agreement is governed by the laws of the
Province of Ontario, Canada. Each of the parties hereto
irrevocably attorns to the jurisdiction of the courts of the
Province of Ontario and further agrees to commence any
litigation which may arise hereunder in the courts located in
the Judicial District of York, Province of Ontario.

ANNEXE

GARANTIE ET DISPOSITIONS PARTICULIÈRES
POUR LE CANADA

GARANTIE LIMITÉE

Si vous vous êtes procuré ce produit Microsoft(r) ou ce
matériel Microsoft(r) au CANADA, la garantie suivante
s'adresse à vous.

GARANTIE LIMITÉE. Le Fabricant garantit que (a) la
performance du LOGICIEL sera substantiellement en conformité
avec les documents écrits qui l'accompagnent pour une période
de quatre-vingt-dix (90) jours à compter de la date de
réception, et que (b) tout matériel de Microsoft fourni avec
le LOGICIEL sera exempt de défaut de matière première ou de
vice de fabrication dans des conditions normales d'utilisation
et d'entretien pour une période d'un (1) an à compter de la
date de réception. Toutes garanties ou conditions implicites
concernant le LOGICIEL et le matériel Microsoft sont limitées
à quatre-vingt-dix (90) jours et un (1) an, respectivement.

RECOURS DU CLIENT. La seule obligation du Fabricant et de
ses fournisseurs et votre recours exclusif seront, au choix du
Fabricant, soit (a) le remboursement du prix payé ou (b) la
réparation ou le remplacement du LOGICIEL ou du matériel qui
n'est pas conforme à la Garantie limitée et qui est retourné
au Fabricant avec une copie de votre reçu. Cette Garantie
limitée est nulle si la défectuosité du LOGICIEL ou du
matériel est causée par un accident, un traitement abusif ou
une mauvaise application. Tout LOGICIEL ou matériel de
remplacement sera garanti pour le reste de la période de
garantie initiale ou pour trente (30) jours, selon laquelle de
ces deux périodes est la plus longue.

EXCLUSION DE TOUTE AUTRE GARANTIE. Selon la
portée maximale autorisée par la loi applicable, le Fabricant
et ses fournisseurs renoncent à toutes autres garanties ou
conditions, expresses ou implicites, y compris mais ne se
limitant pas aux garanties implicites de la qualité marchande
ou un usage particulier en ce qui concerne le LOGICIEL, la
documentation écrite et tout matériel qui l'accompagnent.
Cette garantie limitée vous accorde des droits spécifiques
reconnus par la loi.

ABSENCE DE RESPONSABILITÉ POUR LES DOMMAGES
INDIRECTS. Selon la portée maximale autorisée par la loi
applicable, le Fabricant ou ses fournisseurs ne pourront être
tenus responsables en aucune circonstance de tous dommages
quels qu'ils soient (y compris mais non de façon limitative
les dommages directs ou indirects causés par des lésions
corporelles, la perte de bénéfices commerciaux, l'interruption
des affaires, la perte d'information commerciale ou toute
autre perte pécuniaire) découlant de l'utilisation ou de
l'impossibilité d'utilisation de ce produit, et ce même si le
Fabricant a été avisé de l'éventualité de tels dommages. En
tout état de cause, la seule responsabilité du Fabricant et de
ses fournisseurs en vertu de toute disposition de cette
Convention se limitera au montant que vous aurez effectivement
payé pour l'achat du LOGICIEL et/ou du matériel Microsoft.

La présente Convention de droits d'utilisation de logiciel est
régie par les lois de la province d'Ontario, Canada. Chacune
des parties aux présentes reconnaît irrévocablement la
compétence des tribunaux de la province d'Ontario et consent à
instituer tout litige qui pourrait découler des présentes
auprès des tribunaux situés dans le district judiciaire de
York, province d'Ontario.

APPENDIX
WARRANTY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
FOR
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
AND ANY OTHER COUNTRY

LIMITED WARRANTY

LIMITED WARRANTY. Manufacturer warrants that (a) the
SOFTWARE will perform substantially in accordance with the
accompanying written materials for a period of ninety (90)
days from the date of receipt, and (b) any Microsoft hardware
accompanying the SOFTWARE will be free from defects in
materials and workmanship under normal use and service for a
period of one (1) year from the date of receipt. Any implied
warranties on the SOFTWARE and Microsoft hardware are limited
to ninety (90) days and one (1) year, respectively.
Some states/jurisdictions do not allow limitations on duration
of an implied warranty, so the above limitation may not apply to you.

CUSTOMER REMEDIES. Manufacturer's and its suppliers' entire
liability and your exclusive remedy shall be, at
Manufacturer's option, either (a) return of the price paid, or
(b) repair or replacement of the SOFTWARE or hardware that
does not meet this Limited Warranty and which is returned to
Manufacturer with a copy of your receipt. This Limited
Warranty is void if failure of the SOFTWARE or hardware has
resulted from accident, abuse, or misapplication. Any
replacement SOFTWARE or hardware will be warranted for the
remainder of the original warranty period or thirty (30) days,
whichever is longer.

NO OTHER WARRANTIES. To the maximum extent permitted by
applicable law, Manufacturer and its suppliers disclaim all
other warranties, either express or implied, including, but
not limited to implied warranties of merchantability and
fitness for a particular purpose, with regard to the SOFTWARE,
the accompanying written materials, and any accompanying
hardware. This limited warranty gives you specific legal
rights. You may have others which vary from state
/jurisdiction to state/jurisdiction.

NO LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. To
the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, in no event
shall Manufacturer or its suppliers be liable for any damages
whatsoever (including without limitation, special, incidental,
consequential, or indirect damages for personal injury, loss
of business profits, business interruption, loss of business
information, or any other pecuniary loss) arising out of the
use of or inability to use this product, even if Manufacturer
has been advised of the possibility of such damages. In any
case, Manufacturer's and its suppliers' entire liability under
any provision of this agreement shall be limited to the amount
actually paid by you for the SOFTWARE and/or Microsoft
hardware. Because some states/jurisdictions do not allow the
exclusion or limitation of liability for consequential or
incidental damages, the above limitation may not apply to you.

SPECIAL PROVISIONS

U.S. GOVERNMENT LICENSE RIGHTS. All SOFTWARE
provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to solicitations
issued on or after December 1, 1995 is provided with the
commercial license rights and restrictions described in this
EULA. All SOFTWARE provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to
solicitations issued prior to December 1, 1995 is provided
with "Restricted Rights" as provided for in FAR, 48 CFR 52
..227-14 (JUNE 1987) or DFAR, 48 CFR 252.227-7013 (OCT 1988),
as applicable. Manufacturer is responsible for ensuring the
SOFTWARE is marked with the "Restricted Rights Notice" or
"Restricted Rights Legend," as required. All rights not
expressly granted are reserved.

If you acquired the SOFTWARE in the United States of America,
this Software License Agreement and Warranty are governed by
the laws of the State of Washington, U.S.A. If you acquired
the SOFTWARE outside the United States of America, local law
may apply.

EULAID:XPSP1_RM.1_HOM_OEM_EN
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

You seemed to agree on what I said except my comment about the black
market.
How am I changing the subject by mentioning something you first
brought up?
If you did not think the black market was relevant, why did you bring
it up?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]

http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

And as usual kurtrail finds it necessary to strengthen his position by
name calling.
If he truly felt he could defend his point of view, he would.
Instead he has to stoop to personal attacks in the misguided belief
that it strengthens his position.
Whether his position is valid or not is one thing, kurtrail clearly
lacks the ability to discuss this civilly.
 
W

wojo

hmmm, you haven't given up yet huh?
I did it just isn't worth it. I'll educate myself on "kill files" tomorrow.
 
A

Alias

wojo said:
ahh but the morality and right or wrong of stealing is pretty much what this
entire thread has been about.

Not my point at all. It *is* your point but stop trying to make it mine, OK?

Alias
 
W

wojo

Well then why are you here discussing it if your point, whateer that is, has
nothing to do with the discussion?
 
A

Alias

wojo said:
Well then why are you here discussing it if your point, whateer that is, has
nothing to do with the discussion?

It does have something to do with legitimate and bootleg software, now
doesn't it?

To make the point that stealing is wrong is merely posting a truism. My
points are different than that, don't you think?

Alias
 
M

myself

Greetings --


I don't believe I made any such claim.

In that I was responding more to the general discussion than to you
specifically.
A decision that was mostly overturned as soon as the next higher court
got ahold of it.

The US Supreme Court decision that they are a monopoly was not overturned. They
have also lost in some state-level class-action lawsuits in which they were
sued for monopolistic behavior and the current EU action has also labeled them
a monopoly. Your flat-out statement that "...Microsoft does _not_ have a
monopoly" is flat-out wrong.
But I've never claimed that Microsoft was an "angel." They play hard-ball in
the business world, and will push the limits whenever they think it's to
their advantage. As will any other large corporation.

That doesn't matter. Whatever one's evaluation of their ethics or the legality
of their actions, their destruction of competitors through back-door business
tricks rather than by competing against them on the store shelves is a reality.
Claiming that consumers "voted" for Microsoft is like saying that people
"voted" for a candidate who'd murdered all of his competitors.
If the "average consumer" weren't too intectually lazy and didn't expect
his/her PC to be no more complicated than a toaster oven, all of these
alternative OS's would be perfectly viable. It's not as if using a
computer were rocket surgery.

But I take it you regard the "average consumer" as being too "intellectually
lazy", and thus they do NOT consider these other operating systems as a viable
alternative, and thus you admit that for the average consumer there is no
viable Windows alternative? Isn't that strange in a market that produces
multiple players for everything else?
And do you really consider Best Buy, CompUSA, and Circuit City --
arguably the three very worst places in the world to buy anything related
to computers -- as "reputable computer stores?"

Then please point me to a handful of reputable national chain stores where I
can walk in off the street and buy a decent name-brand (Sony, HP, Toshiba,
etc.) machine either bare or pre-loaded with Linux?
You've really hurt your position there.

No, you've hurt yours by trying to change the subject with a quibble over the
reputability of a few examples, rather than answer the point of the question.
Yes, Apple is continually reliving Sony's BetaMax mistake. The company has
no one to blame but itself for its miniscule market share.

For once we're in agreement. It's mystifying how a company as technologically
ahead of the game as Apple can't get its business act together.

And those cheap-looking translucent plastic cases... yuck!
 
M

myself

Actually the piracy to price comment was mine but what I meant, even
though I didn't state it properly, was that I believe the prices wouldn't
be as high as they are if not for piracy and bootlegs. I do not expect the
prices to go down if the piracy goes down. That has already been proven to
not be the case since piracy is down.

I believe just the opposite - that piracy exerts a downward influence on
prices. For in-demand software there's a very strong correlation between price
and piracy. How many people would pirate Windows if it retailed at $18, $180,
or $1800?
Oh by the way Bruce, I'm on your side and agree with your comments about
Best Buy and CompUSA but I happen to like Circuit City, at least the ones
in my area.

Personally I don't consider any of them a good place to buy a complete machine,
but what technical people think of their reputability and what the buying
public thinks are two different things.
 
W

wojo

myself said:
I believe just the opposite - that piracy exerts a downward influence on
prices. For in-demand software there's a very strong correlation between
price
and piracy. How many people would pirate Windows if it retailed at $18,
$180,
or $1800?
That's a good point actually, never looked at it from that point of view.
My thinking was from a retail point of view: There is a larger mark-up in
retail stores on items that are "high shrink" (IE: More likely to be stolen)
and on items that have a higher rate of return.
My other thought was prices go up because more resources have to be devoted
to creating software that is harder to pirate or bootleg. But your point is
very good and well taken.
Personally I don't consider any of them a good place to buy a complete
machine,
but what technical people think of their reputability and what the buying
public thinks are two different things.
I personally prefer not to buy a complete machine anywhere but for quality
parts and, to my experience, knowledgable sales people I prefer Circuit
City. Some don't like going to places that pay on commission but I believe
just the opposite. Best Buy, CompUSA are less likely to help you because
they get paid whether you buy or not. Circuit City will make deals, cut
prices, throw in freebies, etc.. to get you to buy because that's their
paycheck. Yes it does create a high pressure environment but in my book
that's a good trade off.
 
I

Ian Merrithew

The part of the EULA that pertains to the topic:
[snip]

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Manufacturer grants you the following rights,
provided you comply with all of the terms and conditions of this EULA: *
Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly provided in this
EULA, you may install, use, access, display and run only one (1) copy of
the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER.

This part of the license is a lie. The right to install & use a copy of
software on a computer resides with the *owner of the copy* under US
copyright law. Microsoft cannot grant you this right because *you already
have it*. Thus, if you refuse to be bound by the terms of the EULA,
Microsoft has no legal standing to deny you the use of the software. And
if you're *forced* to agree to the license in order to install the
software (which you effectively are), that can be argued as coercion (MS
doesn't give you any way to exercise your statutory right without agreeing
to its "license"), which makes any consent to the license non-binding.
 
K

kurttrail

wojo said:
The part of the EULA that pertains to the topic:

.By installing, copying, downloading, accessing or otherwise
.using the SOFTWARE, you agree to be bound by the terms of this
.EULA. If you do not agree to the terms of this EULA, you may
.not use or copy the SOFTWARE, and you should promptly contact
.Manufacturer for instructions on return of
.the unused product(s) for a refund in accordance with
.Manufacturer's return policies.
.SOFTWARE PRODUCT LICENSE
.The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if
.the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
.computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
.HARDWARE is a computer system component.

The installer agree to the EULA before you ever install the product
(by clicking on the I agree radio button) making it legal and binding
under the law you so love to quote. I don't have to argue any other
point with you because THAT is the one that matters.

Agree or disagree with this EULA it makes no difference. Telling me I
am wrong or Bruce or anybody else that argues the point with you
makes no difference. The fact that it is legal and binding, like it
or not, IS the entire point.

And since I know you would point out the ommision here's the entire
EULA:

Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
END-USER LICENSE AGREEMENT

IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This End-User
License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you
(either an individual or a single legal entity) and the
manufacturer ("Manufacturer") of the computer system or
computer system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired
the Microsoft software product(s) identified on the
Certificate of Authenticity ("COA") affixed to the HARDWARE or
on the associated product documentation ("SOFTWARE"). The
SOFTWARE includes Microsoft computer software, and may include
associated media, printed materials, "online" or electronic
documentation, and Internet based services. Note, however,
that any software, documentation, or web services that are
included in the SOFTWARE, or accessible via the SOFTWARE, and
are accompanied by their own license agreements or terms of
use are governed by such agreements rather than this EULA.
The terms of a printed paper EULA, which may accompany the
SOFTWARE, supersede the terms of any on-screen EULA. This
EULA is valid and grants the end-user rights ONLY if the
SOFTWARE is genuine and a genuine Certificate of Authenticity
for the SOFTWARE is included. For more information on
identifying whether your software is genuine, please see
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell.

By installing, copying, downloading, accessing or otherwise
using the SOFTWARE, you agree to be bound by the terms of this
EULA. If you do not agree to the terms of this EULA, you may
not use or copy the SOFTWARE, and you should promptly contact
Manufacturer for instructions on return of
the unused product(s) for a refund in accordance with
Manufacturer's return policies.
SOFTWARE PRODUCT LICENSE
The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the HARDWARE, if
the HARDWARE is a single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. Manufacturer grants you the following
rights, provided you comply with all of the terms and
conditions of this EULA:
* Installation and Use. Except as otherwise expressly
provided in this EULA, you may install, use, access, display
and run only one (1) copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER.
The SOFTWARE may not be used by more than one (1) processor
at any one time on the COMPUTER, unless a higher number is
indicated on the Certificate of Authenticity. You may permit
a maximum of five (5) ("Connection Maximum") computers or
other electronic devices (each a "Device") to connect to the
COMPUTER to utilize one or more of the following services of
the SOFTWARE: File services, Print services, Internet
Information services, and remote access (including connection
sharing and telephony services). The five (5) Connection
Maximum includes any indirect connections made through
"multiplexing" or other software or hardware which pools or
aggregates connections. Except as otherwise permitted herein,
you may not use the Device to use, access, display or run the
SOFTWARE, the SOFTWARE's User Interface or other executable
software residing on the COMPUTER. This ten connection
maximum does not apply to any other uses of the Product.
* Software as a Component of the Computer - Transfer. THIS
LICENSE MAY NOT BE SHARED, TRANSFERRED TO OR
USED CONCURRENTLY ON DIFFERENT COMPUTERS.
The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single
integrated product and may only be used with the COMPUTER. If
the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE, you may not use
the SOFTWARE. You may permanently transfer all of your rights
under this EULA only as part of a permanent sale or transfer
of the COMPUTER, provided you retain no copies, if you
transfer the SOFTWARE (including all component parts, the
media, any upgrades, this EULA and the Certificate of
Authenticity), and the recipient agrees to the terms of this
EULA. If the SOFTWARE is an upgrade, any transfer must also
include all prior versions of the SOFTWARE.
* Mandatory Activation. THIS SOFTWARE
CONTAINS TECHNOLOGICAL MEASURES THAT ARE
DESIGNED TO PREVENT UNLICENSED OR ILLEGAL USE
OF THE SOFTWARE. The license rights granted under this EULA
are limited to the first thirty (30) days after you first run
the SOFTWARE unless you supply information required to
activate your licensed copy in the manner described during the
setup sequence (unless Manufacturer has activated for you).
You can activate the SOFTWARE through the use of the Internet
or telephone; toll charges may apply. You may also need to
reactivate the SOFTWARE if you modify your HARDWARE or alter
the SOFTWARE. MS, Microsoft Corporation and its subsidiaries
will use those measures to confirm you have a legally licensed
copy of the SOFTWARE. If you are not using a licensed copy of
the SOFTWARE, you are not allowed to install the SOFTWARE or
future SOFTWARE updates. MS, Microsoft Corporation and its
subsidiaries will not collect any personally identifiable
information from your computer during this process.
* Digital Rights Management. Content providers are using the
digital rights management technology contained in this
Software ("DRM") to protect the integrity of their content
("Secure Content") so that their intellectual property,
including copyright, in such content is not misappropriated.
Portions of this Software and third party applications such as
media players use DRM to play Secure Content ("DRM Software").
If the DRM Software's security has been compromised, owners of
Secure Content ("Secure Content Owners") may request that
Microsoft Licensing, Inc. ("MS"), Microsoft Corporation or
their subsidiaries revoke the DRM Software's right to copy,
display and/or play Secure Content. Revocation does not alter
the DRM Software's ability to play unprotected content. A
list of revoked DRM Software is sent to your computer whenever
you download a license for Secure Content from the Internet.
You therefore agree that MS, Microsoft Corporation or their
subsidiaries may, in conjunction with such license, also
download revocation lists onto your computer on behalf of
Secure Content Owners. MS, Microsoft Corporation or their
subsidiaries will not retrieve any personally identifiable
information, or any other information, from your computer by
downloading such revocation lists. Secure Content Owners may
also require you to upgrade some of the DRM components in this
Software ("DRM Upgrades") before accessing their content.
When you attempt to play such content, Microsoft DRM Software
will notify you that a DRM Upgrade is required and then ask
for your consent before the DRM Upgrade is downloaded. Third
party DRM Software may do the same. If you decline the
upgrade, you will not be able to access content that requires
the DRM Upgrade; however, you will still be able to access
unprotected content and Secure Content that does not require
the upgrade.
* Back-up Copy. YOU MAY MAKE A SINGLE BACK-UP
COPY OF THE SOFTWARE. YOU MAY USE ONE
(1) BACK-UP COPY SOLELY FOR YOUR ARCHIVAL
PURPOSES AND TO REINSTALL THE SOFTWARE ON THE
COMPUTER. EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY PROVIDED IN
THIS EULA OR BY LOCAL LAW, YOU MAY NOT
OTHERWISE MAKE COPIES OF THE SOFTWARE,
INCLUDING THE PRINTED MATERIALS ACCOMPANYING
THE SOFTWARE. YOU MAY NOT LOAN, RENT, LEASE,
LEND OR OTHERWISE TRANSFER THE CD OR BACK-UP
COPY TO ANOTHER USER.
* Reservation of Rights. Manufacturer, MS and
its suppliers (including Microsoft Corporation) reserve all
rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA.

2. DESCRIPTION OF OTHER RIGHTS AND
LIMITATIONS.
* NetMeeting/Remote Assistance Features. The
SOFTWARE contains Remote Assistance, and
NetMeeting technologies that enable the Product or
applications installed on the COMPUTER (sometimes referred to
as a host device) to be accessed remotely from other Devices.
When you are using Remote Assistance or NetMeeting (or other
software which provides similar functionality for a similar
purpose) you may share your session with other users without
any limit on the number of Device connections and without
acquiring additional licenses for the SOFTWARE. For
Microsoft and non-Microsoft applications, you should consult
the license agreement accompanying the applicable product or
contact the applicable licensor to determine whether use of
the product with Remote Assistance, or NetMeeting is
permitted without an additional license. As used above,
a session means the experience delivered by the SOFTWARE
similar to when a user is using the input, output and
display peripherals attached to the COMPUTER.
* Consent to Use of Data. You agree that MS and Microsoft
Corporation and their affiliates may collect and use technical
information gathered in any manner as part of the product
support services provided to you, if any, related to the
SOFTWARE. MS, Microsoft Corporation and their affiliates may
use this information solely to improve their products or to
provide customized services or technologies to you. MS,
Microsoft Corporation and their affiliates may disclose this
information to others, but not in a form that personally
identifies you.
* Internet Gaming/Update Features. If you choose to utilize
the Internet gaming or update features within the SOFTWARE, it
is necessary to use certain COMPUTER system, hardware, and
software information to implement the features. By using
these features, you explicitly authorize MS, Microsoft
Corporation and/or their designated agent to use this
information solely to improve our products or to provide
customized services or technologies to you. MS or Microsoft
Corporation may disclose this information to others, but not
in a form that personally identifies you.
* Internet-Based Services Components. The SOFTWARE contains
components that enable and facilitate the use of
certain Internet-based services. You acknowledge and agree
that MS, Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may
automatically check the version of the SOFTWARE and/or its
components that you are utilizing and may provide upgrades or
supplements to the SOFTWARE that may be automatically
downloaded to your COMPUTER.
* Language Version Selection. (i) Manufacturer may have
elected to provide you with a one-time selection of two or
more language versions of the SOFTWARE as part of the SOFTWARE
setup process. In such event, you are licensed to use only
one (1) of the language versions provided. Once you have used
a language version, you are not licensed to use any of the
other language versions that Manufacturer may have included
with the COMPUTER. (ii) Notwithstanding the preceding, if
Manufacturer has elected to provide you with a Multilingual
User Interface ("MUI") for certain language versions with
additional language version support of the SOFTWARE, the
preceding limitation to select and use only one language
version of the SOFTWARE shall not apply, so long as (A) you
acknowledge that the MUI, and the language support contained
therein, is a part of the SOFTWARE, (B) you only use the MUI
with the SOFTWARE, and (C) you comply with all of the other
terms and conditions of this EULA.
* Operating System Selection. Manufacturer may have elected
to provide you with a selection of Microsoft operating system
software for the COMPUTER. As part of the setup process for
the SOFTWARE you may be given a one-time option to select one
(1) Microsoft operating system. Upon selection, the one (1)
Microsoft operating system selected by you will be set up on
the COMPUTER, and the other Microsoft operating system (s) not
selected by you will be automatically and permanently deleted
from the hard disk of the COMPUTER and thereafter you are
licensed to use only the one (1) Microsoft operating system
selected. If the COMPUTER is accompanied by more than one (1)
COA for a Microsoft operating system, you are licensed to use
each Microsoft operating system(s) for which a COA is
provided.
* ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE/SERVICES. The terms of
this EULA apply to Microsoft updates, supplements, add-on
components, or Internet-based services components of the
SOFTWARE ("Supplemental Components") that Manufacturer, MS,
Microsoft Corporation or their subsidiaries may provide to you
or make available to you after the date you obtain your
initial copy of the SOFTWARE, unless other terms are provided
along with such Supplemental Components. If other terms are
not provided along with such Supplemental Components and the
Supplemental Components are provided to you by MS, Microsoft
Corporation or their subsidiaries then you will be licensed by
such entity under the same terms and conditions of this EULA,
except that (i) MS, Microsoft Corporation or their
subsidiaries providing the Supplemental Components will be the
licensor with respect to such Supplemental Components in lieu
of the "Manufacturer" for the purposes of the EULA, and (ii)
TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE
LAW, THE SUPPLEMENTAL COMPONENTS AND ANY (IF
ANY) SUPPORT SERVICES RELATED TO THE
SUPPLEMENTAL COMPONENTS ARE PROVIDED AS IS
AND WITH ALL FAULTS. ALL OTHER DISCLAIMERS,
LIMITATION OF DAMAGES, AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
PROVIDED BELOW AND/OR OTHERWISE WITH THE
SOFTWARE SHALL APPLY TO SUCH
SUPPLEMENTAL COMPONENTS.
Manufacturer, MS, Microsoft Corporation and their
subsidiaries reserves the right to discontinue any
Microsoft Internet-based services provided to you or made
available to you through the use of the SOFTWARE.
This EULA does not grant you any rights to use the
Windows Media Format Software Development Kit ("WMFSDK")
components contained in the SOFTWARE to develop a software
application that uses Windows Media technology. If you wish
to use the WMFSDK to develop such an application, visit
http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/imedia/windowsmedia
/sdk/wmsdk.asp, accept a separate license for the WMFSDK,
download the appropriate WMFSDK, and install it on your system.
* Limitations on Reverse Engineering, Decompilation and
Disassembly. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or
disassemble the SOFTWARE, except and only to the extent that
such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law
notwithstanding this limitation.
* Separation of Components. The SOFTWARE is licensed as a
single product. Its component parts may not be separated for
use on more than one COMPUTER.
* Single EULA. The package for the SOFTWARE may contain
multiple versions of this EULA, such as multiple translations
and/or multiple media versions (e.g., in the user
documentation and in the software). In this case, you are
only licensed to use the SOFTWARE for which a COA is provided.
* Termination. Without prejudice to any other rights,
Manufacturer or MS may cancel this EULA if you do not abide by
the terms and conditions contained herein. In such event, you
must destroy all copies of the SOFTWARE and all of its
component parts.
* Trademarks. This EULA does not grant you any rights in
connection with any trademarks or service marks of
Manufacturer, MS or its suppliers (including Microsoft Corporation).
3. UPGRADES. If the SOFTWARE is labeled as an upgrade, you
must be properly licensed to use a product identified by
MS or Microsoft Corporation as being eligible for the
upgrade in order to use the SOFTWARE ("Eligible Product").
For the purpose of upgrade(s) only, "HARDWARE" shall mean
the computer system or computer system component with
which you received the Eligible Product. SOFTWARE labeled
as an upgrade replaces and/or supplements (and may
disable, if upgrading a Microsoft software product) the
Eligible Product which came with the HARDWARE. After
upgrading, you may no longer use the SOFTWARE that formed
the basis for your upgrade eligibility (unless otherwise
provided). You may use the resulting upgraded product
only in accordance with the terms of this EULA and only
with the HARDWARE. If the SOFTWARE is an upgrade of a
component of a package of software programs that you
licensed as a single product, the SOFTWARE may be used and
transferred only as part of that single product package
and may not be separated for use on more than one computer.

4. INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS. All title
and intellectual property rights in and to the SOFTWARE
(including but not limited to any images, photographs,
animations, video, audio, music, text and "applets,"
incorporated into the SOFTWARE), the accompanying printed
materials, and any copies of the SOFTWARE, are owned by
MS or its suppliers (including Microsoft Corporation).
The SOFTWARE is licensed, not sold. All title and
intellectual property rights in and to the content that
is not contained in the SOFTWARE, but which may be
accessed through use of the SOFTWARE is the property of
the respective content owner and may be protected by
applicable copyright or other intellectual property laws
and treaties. Use of any on-line services which may be
accessed through the SOFTWARE may be governed by the
respective terms of use relating to such services. If
this SOFTWARE contains documentation that is provided
only in electronic form, you may print one copy of such
electronic documentation. You may not copy the printed
materials accompanying the SOFTWARE.

5. PRODUCT SUPPORT. SOFTWARE support for the
SOFTWARE is not provided by MS, Microsoft Corporation, or
their affiliates or subsidiaries. For product support,
please refer to Manufacturer's support number provided in
the documentation for the HARDWARE. Should you have any
questions concerning this EULA, or if you desire to
contact Manufacturer for any other reason, please refer to
the address provided in the documentation for the HARDWARE.

6. LINKS TO THIRD PARTY SITES. You may link
to third party sites through the use of the SOFTWARE.
The third party sites are not under the control of MS or
Microsoft Corporation, and MS or Microsoft Corporation
are not responsible for the contents of any third party
sites, any links contained in third party sites, or any
changes or updates to third party sites. MS or Microsoft
Corporation are not responsible for webcasting or any
other form of transmission received from any third party
sites. MS or Microsoft Corporation are providing these
links to third party sites to you only as a convenience,
and the inclusion of any link does not imply an
endorsement by MS or Microsoft Corporation of the third
party site.

7. EXPORT RESTRICTIONS. You acknowledge that
the SOFTWARE is subject to U.S. export jurisdiction. You
agree to comply with all applicable international and
national laws that apply to the products, including the
U.S. Export Administration Regulations, as well as end
-user, end-use and destination restrictions issued by U
.S. and other governments. For additional information,
see http://www.microsoft.com/exporting/.

8. U.S. GOVERNMENT LICENSE RIGHTS. All
SOFTWARE PRODUCT provided to the U.S.
Government pursuant to solicitations issued on or after
December 1, 1995 is provided with the commercial rights
and restrictions described elsewhere herein. All
SOFTWARE provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to
solicitations issued prior to December 1, 1995 is
provided with RESTRICTED RIGHTS as provided for in FAR,
48 CFR 52.227-14 (JUNE 1987) or FAR, 48 CFR 252.227-7013
(OCT 1988), as applicable.

9. ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS. FOR THE LIMITED
WARRANTIES, LIMITATION OF LIABILITY, AND
OTHER SPECIAL PROVISIONS, PLEASE REFER TO
THE ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS PROVIDED BELOW
AND/OR OTHERWISE WITH THE SOFTWARE. SUCH
LIMITED WARRANTIES, LIMITATION OF
LIABILITY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS ARE AN
INTEGRAL PART OF THIS EULA.

APPENDIX
WARRANTY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
FOR
AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND OR PAPUA NEW GUINEA

EXPRESS LIMITED WARRANTY

CONSUMER RIGHTS. Consumers may have the benefit of certain
rights or remedies pursuant to the Trade Practices Act and
similar state and territory laws in Australia or the Consumer
Guarantees Act in New Zealand, in respect of which certain
liability may not be excluded.

LIMITED EXPRESS WARRANTY. Manufacturer
warrants that: (a) the SOFTWARE will perform substantially in
accordance with the accompanying Product Manual(s) for a
period of 90 days from the date of receipt; and (b) any
Microsoft hardware accompanying SOFTWARE will be free from
defects in materials and workmanship under normal use and
service for a period of 1 year from the date of receipt.

CUSTOMER REMEDIES. To the maximum extent permitted under
applicable law, Manufacturer's and its supplier's entire
liability and your exclusive remedy under the express warranty
is, at Manufacturer's option, either (a) return of the
price paid; or (b) repair or replacement of the SOFTWARE or
Microsoft hardware which does not meet the warranty and which
is returned to Manufacturer with a copy of your receipt. The
warranty is void if failure of the SOFTWARE or Microsoft
hardware has resulted from accident, abuse or misapplication.
Any replacement SOFTWARE and/or Microsoft hardware will be
warranted for the remainder of the original warranty period or
30 days, whichever is longer.

LIMITATION OF LIABILITY. To the maximum
extent permitted by applicable law, any conditions or
warranties imposed or implied by law are hereby excluded.
Consumers may nevertheless have the benefit of certain rights
or remedies pursuant to the Trade Practices Act and similar
state and territory laws in Australia or the Consumer
Guarantees Act in New Zealand, in respect of which liability
may not be excluded. Insofar as such liability may not be
excluded, then to the maximum extent permitted by law, such
liability is limited, at the exclusive option of
Manufacturer, to either (a) replacement of the SOFTWARE (and
any accompanying hardware supplied); or (b) correction of
defects in the SOFTWARE; or (c) payment of the cost of having
defects in the SOFTWARE (and any accompanying hardware
supplied).

EXCLUSION OF LIABILITY/DAMAGES. The
following is without prejudice to any rights you may have at
law which cannot legally be excluded or restricted. You
acknowledge that no promise, representation, warranty or
undertaking has been made or given by Manufacturer and/or
Microsoft Corporation (or related company of either) to any
person or company on its behalf in relation to the
profitability of or any other consequences or benefits to be
obtained from the delivery or use of the SOFTWARE and any
accompanying Microsoft hardware, software, manuals or written
materials. You have relied upon your own skill and judgement
in deciding to acquire the SOFTWARE and any accompanying
hardware, manuals and written materials for use by you.
Except as and to the extent provided in this agreement,
neither Manufacturer and/or Microsoft Corporation (or related
company of either) will in any circumstances be liable for any
other damages whatsoever (including, without limitation,
damages for loss of business, business interruption, loss of
business information or other indirect or consequential loss)
arising out of the use or inability to use or supply or non
-supply of the SOFTWARE and any accompanying hardware and
written materials. Manufacturer's and/or Microsoft
Corporation (or related company of either) total liability
under any provision of this agreement is in any case limited
to the amount actually paid by you for the SOFTWARE and/or
Microsoft hardware.

This agreement is governed by the laws of New South Wales,
Australia or, where supplies are made in New Zealand, by the
laws of New Zealand.

APPENDIX
WARRANTY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
FOR
ENGLAND, SCOTLAND, WALES AND IRELAND

LIMITED WARRANTY

LIMITED WARRANTY. Manufacturer warrants that (a) the
SOFTWARE will perform substantially in accordance with the
accompanying written materials for a period of ninety (90)
days from the date of receipt, and (b) any Microsoft hardware
accompanying the SOFTWARE will be free from defects in
materials and workmanship under normal use and service for a
period of one (1) year from the date of receipt. Any implied
warranties on the SOFTWARE and Microsoft hardware are limited
to ninety (90) days and one (1) year, respectively.
Some states/jurisdictions do not allow limitations on duration
of an implied warranty, so the above limitation may not apply to you.

CUSTOMER REMEDIES. Manufacturer's and its suppliers' entire
liability and your exclusive remedy shall be, at
Manufacturer's option, either (a) return of the price paid, or
(b) repair or replacement of the SOFTWARE or hardware that
does not meet this Limited Warranty and which is returned to
Manufacturer with a copy of your receipt. This Limited
Warranty is void if failure of the SOFTWARE or hardware has
resulted from accident, abuse, or misapplication. Any
replacement SOFTWARE or hardware will be warranted for the
remainder of the original warranty period or thirty (30) days,
whichever is longer.

NO OTHER WARRANTIES. To the maximum extent permitted by
applicable law, Manufacturer and its suppliers disclaim all
other representations, warranties, conditions or other terms,
either express or implied, including, but not limited to
implied warranties amd/or conditions of merchantability and
fitness for a particular purpose, with regard to the SOFTWARE,
the accompanying written materials, and any accompanying
hardware. This limited warranty gives you specific legal
rights. You may have others which vary from state
/jurisdiction to state/jurisdiction.

NO LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. To
the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, in no event
shall Manufacturer or its suppliers be liable for any damages
whatsoever (including without limitation, direct or indirect
damages for personal injury, loss of business profits,
business interruption, loss of business information, or any
other pecuniary loss) arising out of the use of or inability
to use this product, even if Manufacturer has been advised of
the possibility of such damages. In any case, Manufacturer's
and its suppliers' entire liability under any provision of
this agreement shall be limited to the amount actually paid by
you for the SOFTWARE and/or Microsoft hardware. Because some
states/jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion or limitation
of liability for consequential or incidental damages, the
above limitation may not apply to you.

SPECIAL PROVISIONS

Reverse Engineering: If you acquired the SOFTWARE in the
European Community, you may not reverse engineer, decompile,
or dissassemble the SOFTWARE except to the extent and for the
express purposes authorized by applicable law.

This Software License Agreement is governed by the laws
of England.

APPENDIX
WARRANTY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
FOR
CANADA

LIMITED WARRANTY

LIMITED WARRANTY. Manufacturer warrants that (a) the
SOFTWARE will perform substantially in accordance with the
accompanying written materials for a period of ninety (90)
days from the date of receipt, and (b) any Microsoft hardware
accompanying the SOFTWARE will be free from defects in
materials and workmanship under normal use and service for a
period of one (1) year from the date of receipt. Any implied
warranties or conditions on the SOFTWARE and Microsoft
hardware are limited to ninety (90) days and one (1) year,
respectively. Some states/jurisdictions do not allow
limitations on duration of an implied warranty, so the above
limitation may not apply to you.

CUSTOMER REMEDIES. Manufacturer's and its suppliers' entire
liability and your exclusive remedy shall be, at
Manufacturer's option, either (a) return of the price paid, or
(b) repair or replacement of the SOFTWARE or hardware that
does not meet this Limited Warranty and which is returned to
Manufacturer with a copy of your receipt. This Limited
Warranty is void if failure of the SOFTWARE or hardware has
resulted from accident, abuse, or misapplication. Any
replacement SOFTWARE or hardware will be warranted for the
remainder of the original warranty period or thirty (30) days,
whichever is longer.

NO OTHER WARRANTIES. To the maximum extent permitted by
applicable law, Manufacturer and its suppliers disclaim all
other warranties, either express or implied, including, but
not limited to implied warranties of merchantability and
fitness for a particular purpose, with regard to the SOFTWARE,
the accompanying written materials, and any accompanying
hardware. This limited warranty gives you specific legal
rights. You may have others which vary from state
/jurisdiction to state/jurisdiction.

NO LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. To
the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, in no event
shall Manufacturer or its suppliers be liable for any damages
whatsoever (including without limitation, direct or indirect
damages for personal injury, loss of business profits,
business interruption, loss of business information, or any
other pecuniary loss) arising out of the use of or inability
to use this product, even if Manufacturer has been advised of
the possibility of such damages. In any case, Manufacturer's
and its suppliers' entire liability under any provision of
this agreement shall be limited to the amount actually paid by
you for the SOFTWARE and/or Microsoft hardware. Because some
states/jurisdictions do not allow the exclusion or limitation
of liability for consequential or incidental damages, the
above limitation may not apply to you.

This Software License Agreement is governed by the laws of the
Province of Ontario, Canada. Each of the parties hereto
irrevocably attorns to the jurisdiction of the courts of the
Province of Ontario and further agrees to commence any
litigation which may arise hereunder in the courts located in
the Judicial District of York, Province of Ontario.

ANNEXE

GARANTIE ET DISPOSITIONS PARTICULIÈRES
POUR LE CANADA

GARANTIE LIMITÉE

Si vous vous êtes procuré ce produit Microsoft(r) ou ce
matériel Microsoft(r) au CANADA, la garantie suivante
s'adresse à vous.

GARANTIE LIMITÉE. Le Fabricant garantit que (a) la
performance du LOGICIEL sera substantiellement en conformité
avec les documents écrits qui l'accompagnent pour une période
de quatre-vingt-dix (90) jours à compter de la date de
réception, et que (b) tout matériel de Microsoft fourni avec
le LOGICIEL sera exempt de défaut de matière première ou de
vice de fabrication dans des conditions normales d'utilisation
et d'entretien pour une période d'un (1) an à compter de la
date de réception. Toutes garanties ou conditions implicites
concernant le LOGICIEL et le matériel Microsoft sont limitées
à quatre-vingt-dix (90) jours et un (1) an, respectivement.

RECOURS DU CLIENT. La seule obligation du Fabricant et de
ses fournisseurs et votre recours exclusif seront, au choix du
Fabricant, soit (a) le remboursement du prix payé ou (b) la
réparation ou le remplacement du LOGICIEL ou du matériel qui
n'est pas conforme à la Garantie limitée et qui est retourné
au Fabricant avec une copie de votre reçu. Cette Garantie
limitée est nulle si la défectuosité du LOGICIEL ou du
matériel est causée par un accident, un traitement abusif ou
une mauvaise application. Tout LOGICIEL ou matériel de
remplacement sera garanti pour le reste de la période de
garantie initiale ou pour trente (30) jours, selon laquelle de
ces deux périodes est la plus longue.

EXCLUSION DE TOUTE AUTRE GARANTIE. Selon la
portée maximale autorisée par la loi applicable, le Fabricant
et ses fournisseurs renoncent à toutes autres garanties ou
conditions, expresses ou implicites, y compris mais ne se
limitant pas aux garanties implicites de la qualité marchande
ou un usage particulier en ce qui concerne le LOGICIEL, la
documentation écrite et tout matériel qui l'accompagnent.
Cette garantie limitée vous accorde des droits spécifiques
reconnus par la loi.

ABSENCE DE RESPONSABILITÉ POUR LES DOMMAGES
INDIRECTS. Selon la portée maximale autorisée par la loi
applicable, le Fabricant ou ses fournisseurs ne pourront être
tenus responsables en aucune circonstance de tous dommages
quels qu'ils soient (y compris mais non de façon limitative
les dommages directs ou indirects causés par des lésions
corporelles, la perte de bénéfices commerciaux, l'interruption
des affaires, la perte d'information commerciale ou toute
autre perte pécuniaire) découlant de l'utilisation ou de
l'impossibilité d'utilisation de ce produit, et ce même si le
Fabricant a été avisé de l'éventualité de tels dommages. En
tout état de cause, la seule responsabilité du Fabricant et de
ses fournisseurs en vertu de toute disposition de cette
Convention se limitera au montant que vous aurez effectivement
payé pour l'achat du LOGICIEL et/ou du matériel Microsoft.

La présente Convention de droits d'utilisation de logiciel est
régie par les lois de la province d'Ontario, Canada. Chacune
des parties aux présentes reconnaît irrévocablement la
compétence des tribunaux de la province d'Ontario et consent à
instituer tout litige qui pourrait découler des présentes
auprès des tribunaux situés dans le district judiciaire de
York, province d'Ontario.

APPENDIX
WARRANTY AND SPECIAL PROVISIONS
FOR
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
AND ANY OTHER COUNTRY

LIMITED WARRANTY

LIMITED WARRANTY. Manufacturer warrants that (a) the
SOFTWARE will perform substantially in accordance with the
accompanying written materials for a period of ninety (90)
days from the date of receipt, and (b) any Microsoft hardware
accompanying the SOFTWARE will be free from defects in
materials and workmanship under normal use and service for a
period of one (1) year from the date of receipt. Any implied
warranties on the SOFTWARE and Microsoft hardware are limited
to ninety (90) days and one (1) year, respectively.
Some states/jurisdictions do not allow limitations on duration
of an implied warranty, so the above limitation may not apply to you.

CUSTOMER REMEDIES. Manufacturer's and its suppliers' entire
liability and your exclusive remedy shall be, at
Manufacturer's option, either (a) return of the price paid, or
(b) repair or replacement of the SOFTWARE or hardware that
does not meet this Limited Warranty and which is returned to
Manufacturer with a copy of your receipt. This Limited
Warranty is void if failure of the SOFTWARE or hardware has
resulted from accident, abuse, or misapplication. Any
replacement SOFTWARE or hardware will be warranted for the
remainder of the original warranty period or thirty (30) days,
whichever is longer.

NO OTHER WARRANTIES. To the maximum extent permitted by
applicable law, Manufacturer and its suppliers disclaim all
other warranties, either express or implied, including, but
not limited to implied warranties of merchantability and
fitness for a particular purpose, with regard to the SOFTWARE,
the accompanying written materials, and any accompanying
hardware. This limited warranty gives you specific legal
rights. You may have others which vary from state
/jurisdiction to state/jurisdiction.

NO LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES. To
the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, in no event
shall Manufacturer or its suppliers be liable for any damages
whatsoever (including without limitation, special, incidental,
consequential, or indirect damages for personal injury, loss
of business profits, business interruption, loss of business
information, or any other pecuniary loss) arising out of the
use of or inability to use this product, even if Manufacturer
has been advised of the possibility of such damages. In any
case, Manufacturer's and its suppliers' entire liability under
any provision of this agreement shall be limited to the amount
actually paid by you for the SOFTWARE and/or Microsoft
hardware. Because some states/jurisdictions do not allow the
exclusion or limitation of liability for consequential or
incidental damages, the above limitation may not apply to you.

SPECIAL PROVISIONS

U.S. GOVERNMENT LICENSE RIGHTS. All SOFTWARE
provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to solicitations
issued on or after December 1, 1995 is provided with the
commercial license rights and restrictions described in this
EULA. All SOFTWARE provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to
solicitations issued prior to December 1, 1995 is provided
with "Restricted Rights" as provided for in FAR, 48 CFR 52
.227-14 (JUNE 1987) or DFAR, 48 CFR 252.227-7013 (OCT 1988),
as applicable. Manufacturer is responsible for ensuring the
SOFTWARE is marked with the "Restricted Rights Notice" or
"Restricted Rights Legend," as required. All rights not
expressly granted are reserved.

If you acquired the SOFTWARE in the United States of America,
this Software License Agreement and Warranty are governed by
the laws of the State of Washington, U.S.A. If you acquired
the SOFTWARE outside the United States of America, local law
may apply.

EULAID:XPSP1_RM.1_HOM_OEM_EN

So? Has it ever be proven to be legally enforceable over an individuals
right to "fair use?"

Until MS proves they have the right to rewrite my rights in my home, MS's
EULA claims are just as enforceable as SCO's licensing claims against IBM,
which means that they have yet to be proven to be legally enforceable,
PERIOD!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
K

kurttrail

wojo said:
No more about the "morons" since you want to use the name who think a
EULA isn't a legal and binding contract.

OK, Imbecile.
Accepting the EULA before
installation when asked to is the equivalent of signing a written
contract.

And just because you sign a contract doesn't not mean that breaking it is
illegal or immoral, as there is no law that makes breaking the terms of a
contract illegal, in and of itself. If the party that terms are broken feel
they have been hurt by the breaking of their contract terms, their ONLY
legal recourse is to persue it in a real court of law and convince a judge
to enforce those terms. When MS gets the balls to try to legally enforce
their One Computer terms on private non-commercial indivduals, give me a
call, because until then, MS's One Computer term is legally unsubstantiated.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
K

kurttrail

Jupiter said:
And as usual kurtrail finds it necessary to strengthen his position by
name calling.
If he truly felt he could defend his point of view, he would.
Instead he has to stoop to personal attacks in the misguided belief
that it strengthens his position.
Whether his position is valid or not is one thing, kurtrail clearly
lacks the ability to discuss this civilly.

Luckily I can both argue logically, and still call a moron by his name,
Juppy.

I don't believe in being politically-correct, and anal a**hole that want to
claim victory just because someone uses a word they don't like is the one
who is incapable of arguing logically. That would be you, Juppy!

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

It has nothing to do with being politically correct kurtrail.
It has to do with being civil.
And your uncivil attitude does not shore up your position.
Your uncivil attitude shows your own weak character.

Whoever claimed victory?
You are the one that used that word.
Is that all you want...right or wrong.
Now we know more about you still.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


message > Luckily I can both argue logically, and still call a moron
by his name,
 
K

kurttrail

Jupiter said:
It has nothing to do with being politically correct kurtrail.
It has to do with being civil.
And your uncivil attitude does not shore up your position.
Your uncivil attitude shows your own weak character.

LOL! To me, feigned civility is lacking in moral character. I am, by
nature, not a very courteous person. I can *act* civil, but it is just
that, shear pretence.

I'll leave the pretense to those that argue against me, as they, you
included Juppy, are such experts in the art.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IBM SHOULD JUST CAVE IN TO SCO'S LICENSING CLAIMS BEFORE
SCO LEGALLY SUBSTANTIATES THOSE CLAIMS?

Show us all how unpretentious you are Juppy, and be the first
MicroSychophant to answer this question directly! Be a man, or be a
MicroMouse, it is your choice!
Whoever claimed victory?

It is my characterization of you trying to dismiss me, only for using
politically correct speech, instead of arguing against the content of my
opinions.
You are the one that used that word.

I believe I just said as much.
Is that all you want...right or wrong.

No, that would be all of you that argue the inviolability of MS One Computer
"shrink-wrap license" term without any legal precedent to back it up.
Now we know more about you still.

Yes, I'm sure you believe you do, Juppy.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

kurtrail
You simply want others to give away control of their products while
you will not do the same.
Most all that you say is not relevant.
Your feeble attempts to draw me in to a discussion about SCO failed
like most of your other points.
 
K

kurttrail

Jupiter said:
kurtrail
You simply want others to give away control of their products while
you will not do the same.

Huh? I advocate that people should be able to use their copies of software
in accordance with copyright law, not according to the greedy whims of the
copyright owner.
Most all that you say is not relevant.

To what? At least I have the decency to answer directly.
Your feeble attempts to draw me in to a discussion about SCO failed
like most of your other points.

Your choice is clear to all, Juppy Mouse.

ROFL! The child has to CENSOR my url. All Juppy does is play little
newsgroup games. He is totally incapable of holding a rational discussion.
Shows just how feeble his defense of MS really is.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
http://microscum.com
"Trustworthy Computing" is only another example of an Oxymoron!
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
 
D

DILIP

What does "no upgrade" actually mean? Can you perform a repair install?
(also called Upgrade install in the UI)
 

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