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RScotti
My fault. I used this N/G because I had Windows XP and wanted to upgrade from it.
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Rich Scotti
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Donald L McDaniel
Hi Donald,
The full OEM Version will NOT upgrade Vista and the only upgrades for Vista are Win XP and Win 2000
This is what I also said, my friend. I said SPECIFICALLY that OEM
disks cannot do an "Upgrade" installation. But a FULL OEM Disk CAN be
used to provide proof of a previous MS OS for a RETAIL UPGRADE version
of a Microsoft OS.
As I said, a "FULL OEM", or "Generic OEM" disk has EXACTLY what a FULL
RETAIL disk has, EXCEPT the OEM installer will NOT do an UPGRADE
installation, keeping your file structure intact. But a RETAIL UPGRADE
disk will do EITHER type of installation, AS LONG as you have either a
previous installation of XP already on the HD, or you have authentic
FULL media of XP (Whether it is FULL OEM, or FULL RETAIL). You will
NOT be using the OEM installer if you use a RETAIL UPGRADE of Vista to
install Vista. You will use the VISTA installer on the RETAIL UPGRADE
disk.
Again, ALL that is necessary is to insert the FULL OEM media when the
RETAIL UPGRADE installer fails to find a previous OS. The RETAIL
UPGRADE installer will examine the disk, and if it finds it is
authentic, it will tell you to remove it, then you will replace the
RETAIL UPGRADE media in the drive, and continue on with the
installation. This will work whether you do an "UPGRADE
installation", OR a "CLEAN INSTALLATION". In fact, one can do EITHER
type of installation using a RETAIL UPGRADE media, IF he has a
PREVIOUS authentic copy of Windows, either installed on the HD or in
the form of a FULL OEM disk.
I have done this myself MANY TIMES, and had absolutely NO PROBLEMS
either practically, or with activation of my new OS.
I've been trying to make this as clear as possible. Evidently, I've
failed.
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RScotti
Hi Donald,
Sorry, I know you said that but I got confused. I still need time to digest what you are trying to
tell me.
It just confusing to me Sorry.
Have a good day!
Rich Scotti
Sorry, I know you said that but I got confused. I still need time to digest what you are trying to
tell me.
It just confusing to me Sorry.
This is what I also said, my friend. I said SPECIFICALLY that OEM
disks cannot do an "Upgrade" installation. But a FULL OEM Disk CAN be
used to provide proof of a previous MS OS for a RETAIL UPGRADE version
of a Microsoft OS.
As I said, a "FULL OEM", or "Generic OEM" disk has EXACTLY what a FULL
RETAIL disk has, EXCEPT the OEM installer will NOT do an UPGRADE
installation, keeping your file structure intact. But a RETAIL UPGRADE
disk will do EITHER type of installation, AS LONG as you have either a
previous installation of XP already on the HD, or you have authentic
FULL media of XP (Whether it is FULL OEM, or FULL RETAIL). You will
NOT be using the OEM installer if you use a RETAIL UPGRADE of Vista to
install Vista. You will use the VISTA installer on the RETAIL UPGRADE
disk.
Again, ALL that is necessary is to insert the FULL OEM media when the
RETAIL UPGRADE installer fails to find a previous OS. The RETAIL
UPGRADE installer will examine the disk, and if it finds it is
authentic, it will tell you to remove it, then you will replace the
RETAIL UPGRADE media in the drive, and continue on with the
installation. This will work whether you do an "UPGRADE
installation", OR a "CLEAN INSTALLATION". In fact, one can do EITHER
type of installation using a RETAIL UPGRADE media, IF he has a
PREVIOUS authentic copy of Windows, either installed on the HD or in
the form of a FULL OEM disk.
I have done this myself MANY TIMES, and had absolutely NO PROBLEMS
either practically, or with activation of my new OS.
I've been trying to make this as clear as possible. Evidently, I've
failed.
==
Donald L. McDaniel
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Have a good day!
Rich Scotti
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RScotti
Hi Donald,
Do I have this right?
Boot the newly formatted disk with the Vista Upgrade.
Put in the Windows XP Professional with SP2 OEM DSP
at Vio Software for $139.99
Replace with the Vista Upgrade.
And that's it.
The thing that's bothering me is wouldn't this be about the same price as the Full Retail Vista?
Have a good day!
Rich Scotti
Do I have this right?
Boot the newly formatted disk with the Vista Upgrade.
Put in the Windows XP Professional with SP2 OEM DSP
at Vio Software for $139.99
Replace with the Vista Upgrade.
And that's it.
The thing that's bothering me is wouldn't this be about the same price as the Full Retail Vista?
Have a good day!
Rich Scotti
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Donald L McDaniel
Hi Donald,
Do I have this right?
Not quite
There will be NO NEED to previously format the disk BEFORE insertingBoot the newly formatted disk with the Vista Upgrade.
the Vista disk. All Microsoft installers since 2000 have the ability
to create parititions, delete them, or format them as part of the
installation process. Vista makes it much simpler.
You will need to do this ONLY if the Vista installer FAILS to find aPut in the Windows XP Professional with SP2 OEM DSP
previous installation of XP on the HD (not including the Restore
partition).
at Vio Software for $139.99
Try to stay away from "DSP" versions, since they AREN'T always
"Generic". In addition, they are usually "pulls" from the excess
stock of major OEM manufacturers, and are NOT necessarily in
compliance with the OEM license agreement.
Replace with the Vista Upgrade.
IF and WHEN the Vista Retail Upgrade Installer fails to find a
previous version of XP, it will ask you where to search for one.
Simply take the Vista Retail Upgrade disk out, insert the XP OEM disk
(One CAN'T use an XP Retail Upgrade or a Restore disk), and remove it
when Vista tells you to, at which point Vista will continue with its
installation.
That's basically the way ALL Microsoft Retail Upgrades work.And that's it.
NOTE that we are speaking of the RETAIL UPGRADE process of installing,
NOT the "FULL RETAIL" process, which is DIFFERENT, in that it will NOT
ask for a previous version of XP. It will just continue installing.
I guess it depends on the version of Vista. It would probably beThe thing that's bothering me is wouldn't this be about the same price as the Full Retail Vista?
cheaper than a Full Retail version of Vista Ultimate. And didn't you
say that you plan on upgrading to a Vista HOME edition? All that will
be necessary will be an OEM version of XP HOME, which is normally
about $80-100, rather than $130+.
A Full Retail version of Vista will NOT ask for a previous version of
XP, so it would not be necessary to purchase a previous version if you
opt for the Full Retail version of Vista.
As I said earlier, if you can afford it, a Full Retail version of
Vista would definitely be better.
Personally, the only way I will be able to afford Vista Ultimate will
be by purchasing a Generic OEM of Vista (or I could purchase a Retail
Upgrade edition of Vista, since I already own a previous full version
of XP).
We will see once the pricing structure is published. Until then, we
are all pretty much speculating, Rich.
However, the installation process itself is pretty much the same for
all Microsoft Oses later than 9x.
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Donald L. McDaniel
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RScotti
Try to stay away from "DSP" versions, since they AREN'T always
"Generic". In addition, they are usually "pulls" from the excess
stock of major OEM manufacturers, and are NOT necessarily in
compliance with the OEM license agreement.
DSP is all I could find on the sites I went to.
I guess it depends on the version of Vista. It would probably be
cheaper than a Full Retail version of Vista Ultimate. And didn't you
say that you plan on upgrading to a Vista HOME edition? All that will
be necessary will be an OEM version of XP HOME, which is normally
about $80-100, rather than $130+.
I am going with the Vista Home Premium which is more expensive.
I can do an upgrade with my installed OEM MCE but can only do either the Home Premium or the
Ultimate and once I do it if the upgrade doesn't work out I need a clean install so I can't do it
again.
I was part of the MS Technical Beta ream from 1995-2000 and remember that some upgrades don't take
very well. If fact when we tested we had to do a clean install every time. I don't know if that is
still the case but from what I have seen it the best way.
Also I really want to thank you for the amount of time you have spent with me on this.
Have a good day!
Rich Scotti
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RScotti
I did find another one that was not DSP but was $176.99 at Buy.com
OEM 1PK WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL SP2 NO OPEN BOX RETURNS - E85-04026
Have a good day!
Rich Scotti
OEM 1PK WINDOWS XP PROFESSIONAL SP2 NO OPEN BOX RETURNS - E85-04026
Not quite
There will be NO NEED to previously format the disk BEFORE inserting
the Vista disk. All Microsoft installers since 2000 have the ability
to create parititions, delete them, or format them as part of the
installation process. Vista makes it much simpler.
You will need to do this ONLY if the Vista installer FAILS to find a
previous installation of XP on the HD (not including the Restore
partition).
Try to stay away from "DSP" versions, since they AREN'T always
"Generic". In addition, they are usually "pulls" from the excess
stock of major OEM manufacturers, and are NOT necessarily in
compliance with the OEM license agreement.
IF and WHEN the Vista Retail Upgrade Installer fails to find a
previous version of XP, it will ask you where to search for one.
Simply take the Vista Retail Upgrade disk out, insert the XP OEM disk
(One CAN'T use an XP Retail Upgrade or a Restore disk), and remove it
when Vista tells you to, at which point Vista will continue with its
installation.
That's basically the way ALL Microsoft Retail Upgrades work.
NOTE that we are speaking of the RETAIL UPGRADE process of installing,
NOT the "FULL RETAIL" process, which is DIFFERENT, in that it will NOT
ask for a previous version of XP. It will just continue installing.
I guess it depends on the version of Vista. It would probably be
cheaper than a Full Retail version of Vista Ultimate. And didn't you
say that you plan on upgrading to a Vista HOME edition? All that will
be necessary will be an OEM version of XP HOME, which is normally
about $80-100, rather than $130+.
A Full Retail version of Vista will NOT ask for a previous version of
XP, so it would not be necessary to purchase a previous version if you
opt for the Full Retail version of Vista.
As I said earlier, if you can afford it, a Full Retail version of
Vista would definitely be better.
Personally, the only way I will be able to afford Vista Ultimate will
be by purchasing a Generic OEM of Vista (or I could purchase a Retail
Upgrade edition of Vista, since I already own a previous full version
of XP).
We will see once the pricing structure is published. Until then, we
are all pretty much speculating, Rich.
However, the installation process itself is pretty much the same for
all Microsoft Oses later than 9x.
==
Donald L. McDaniel
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Have a good day!
Rich Scotti
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RScotti
Hi Donald,
I saw an add for Win XP Pro for a lot less money it was a CDO (CD Only) Is that a retail build or an
OEM?
Have a good day!
Rich Scotti
I saw an add for Win XP Pro for a lot less money it was a CDO (CD Only) Is that a retail build or an
OEM?
Try to stay away from "DSP" versions, since they AREN'T always
"Generic". In addition, they are usually "pulls" from the excess
stock of major OEM manufacturers, and are NOT necessarily in
compliance with the OEM license agreement.
Have a good day!
Rich Scotti
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Donald L McDaniel
Hi Donald,
I saw an add for Win XP Pro for a lot less money it was a CDO (CD Only) Is that a retail build or an
OEM?
It is neither. It is an ILLEGAL product. Microsoft OSes cannot be
licensed WITHOUT a COA (which includes the CD key), nor are they
supposed to be SOLD without a COA.
Do NOT purchase that:
Better you should purchase an OEM "DSP" than one of those.
Have a good day!
Rich Scotti
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Donald L. McDaniel
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RScotti
Thanks, I didn't know that. Don't want an illegal copy.
I found a better deal, it says it is an OEM but is only $86. Doesn't say it has the COA. I have seen
some sites that have said you can have it with or without the COA for a difference of about $10.
Can you check out the specs to make sure it is Genuine. It says it is?
Have a good day!
Rich Scotti
I found a better deal, it says it is an OEM but is only $86. Doesn't say it has the COA. I have seen
some sites that have said you can have it with or without the COA for a difference of about $10.
Can you check out the specs to make sure it is Genuine. It says it is?
System Requirements & Product Format
Processor: PC with 300 megahertz or higher processor clock speed recommended; Intel Pentium/Celeron family, or AMD K6/Athlon/Duron family, or compatible processor recommended
Memory: 128 megabytes (MB) of RAM or higher recommended
Hard Disk Space: 1.5 gigabytes (GB) of available hard disk space
Monitor: 800x600 or higher monitor resolution with 16-bit video card (24-bit screen display recommended)
CD-Rom: CD-Rom drive required
Accessories: Keyboard and Microsoft Mouse (or compatible pointing device)
Product Format: OEM CD and product key
Copyright © GreatSoftwareDeals.com
It is neither. It is an ILLEGAL product. Microsoft OSes cannot be
licensed WITHOUT a COA (which includes the CD key), nor are they
supposed to be SOLD without a COA.
Do NOT purchase that:
Better you should purchase an OEM "DSP" than one of those.
==
Donald L. McDaniel
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Have a good day!
Rich Scotti
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