Where to get windows xp full retail version?

[Greg]

Where to get windows xp full retail version?

Does not matter if it has windows xp original or sp1 or sp2 or sp3
cds.

I have sp2 & sp3 cds.

I can buy them off of Amazon used or new or ebay. I just don't want
to waste $150 or more dollars. Then come to find out latter, that
it is either an oem copy or an illegal version of Microsoft xp or a
volume copy or an upgrade copy.

I would like to the full install. So, I can dual boot (I already
have a partition manager and know how to use it)


Greg

 

[1PW]

Where to get windows xp full retail version?

Does not matter if it has windows xp original or sp1 or sp2 or sp3
cds.

I have sp2 & sp3 cds.

I can buy them off of Amazon used or new or ebay. I just don't want
to waste $150 or more dollars. Then come to find out latter, that
it is either an oem copy or an illegal version of Microsoft xp or a
volume copy or an upgrade copy.

I would like to the full install. So, I can dual boot (I already
have a partition manager and know how to use it)


Greg

Hello Greg:

You need to make your request in a much different fashion.

Windows XP was released in many different versions. You would want to
decide on the Home, Professional or Media Center Editions if for a PC.

You also wish to specify Upgrade or Full Purchase Product (FPP).

Be very specific about which retail version.

You also wish to specify if the distribution is for USA/Canada or some
other region so as to receive the correct language pack.

Hopefully knowing the above will save you some disappointment later on.

The devil is in the details Greg.

HTH

 

[Greg]

Hello Greg:

You need to make your request in a much different fashion.

Windows XP was released in many different versions. You would want to
decide on the Home, Professional or Media Center Editions if for a PC.

You also wish to specify Upgrade or Full Purchase Product (FPP).

Be very specific about which retail version.

You also wish to specify if the distribution is for USA/Canada or some
other region so as to receive the correct language pack.

Hopefully knowing the above will save you some disappointment later on.

The devil is in the details Greg.

HTH

I want windows xp home full retail version, not upgrade. I want it
to be genuine and be able to pass the Microsoft Activation and Wga
test. This full version can be windows xp original or can have
service pack two or service pack 3 with it. I have both the service
pack disk. I am In the United States.

Greg

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I want windows xp home full retail version, not upgrade. I want it
to be genuine and be able to pass the Microsoft Activation and Wga
test. This full version can be windows xp original or can have
service pack two or service pack 3 with it. I have both the
service pack disk. I am In the United States.

That will be difficult - at best. It is highly unlikely many stores (online
or otherwise) will have retail copies of Windows XP Home Edition still lying
around - given the two replacement OSes have (or soon will be) released to
the public.

Pricewatch shows a couple of places ($150+ price range) that still have it -
but I can honestly say, I don't know the names of the places selling them:

http://pricewatch.com/search?q=XP+H...n&totalcost_max=max&cn=Software+-+Oper+System

 

[Daave]

If you never plan on transferring this version to another PC, the
generic OEM (aka System Builder) version of XP Home (with SP3, no
less) would be a more affordable choice. Additionally, it is still
currently available from retail outlets such as Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116511

If you do plan on transferring it at some point in time, the OEM
version's license won't permit you to do this. (Well, strictly
speaking, you can transfer it; it's just not allowed by the EULA.) So
if this is the case, I can see why you would want the Retail version
(by the way, SP2 is the best you can do with Retail and it will cost
almost double). But buyer beware since this is no longer being
manufactured, and you will need to find a vendor who is reputable,
which can be tricky. :-(
Perhaps there is a ratings system available with feedback that you can
use to judge. Let me do a quick Ebay search...

OK. This sloguy2000 might be a good bet:

http://cgi.ebay.com/WINDOWS-XP-HOME...ware?hash=item48378b3203&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

4501 ratings. 100%. "Power Seller." Looks promising. Your call,
though.
(Note: It looks like this post is being filtered by Microsoft's news
server. Ebay link looks like spam perhaps?)

Hmmm. It *was* filtered the first time when I attempted to post via the
MS news server (the one above is via Cavtel)... Let's see if this one
(MS) goes through...

 

[Greg]

If you never plan on transferring this version to another PC, the
generic OEM (aka System Builder) version of XP Home (with SP3, no less)
would be a more affordable choice. Additionally, it is still currently
available from retail outlets such as Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116511

If you do plan on transferring it at some point in time, the OEM
version's license won't permit you to do this. (Well, strictly speaking,
you can transfer it; it's just not allowed by the EULA.) So if this is
the case, I can see why you would want the Retail version (by the way,
SP2 is the best you can do with Retail and it will cost almost double).
But buyer beware since this is no longer being manufactured, and you
will need to find a vendor who is reputable, which can be tricky. :-(

Perhaps there is a ratings system available with feedback that you can
use to judge. Let me do a quick Ebay search...

OK. This sloguy2000 might be a good bet:

4501 ratings. 100%. "Power Seller." Looks promising. Your call, though.

(Note: It looks like this post is being filtered by Microsoft's news
server. Ebay link looks like spam perhaps?)

I think it because you mentioned the oem for system builders.
Technically, that is not legal for me to buy.

 

[Daave]

I think it because you mentioned the oem for system builders.
Technically, that is not legal for me to buy.

It is certainly legal for you to buy!

And there is no credible evidence that is illegal for you to use it,
either.

It is you who is determining what your system is. If you want a computer
to run Windows XP and are willing to purchase a license for it and
install it, you are bulding your system. It doesn't mean you have to
physically build a PC from scratch from various components. Sure, there
are those who may want you to believe this, but it doesn't make it so. I
challenge you or anyone else to show me where there is an accepted legal
defintion of what the term "system builder" means in the XP EULA. The XP
EULA is the only legal document you need to be concerned with.

You're the system builder, Greg.

 

[Mark Adams]

I think it because you mentioned the oem for system builders.
Technically, that is not legal for me to buy.

Yes it is. I bought a copy of XP Home SP3 OEM from Fry's Electronics last
Spring for $59.00 They sold it retail to anyone who wanted it. Just buy the
sumbitch and install it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...der=BESTMATCH&Description=windows+xp+home+sp3

To get around WGA, after the install set Automatic Updates to "Notify you of
updates but do not download or install". When you connect to the internet, a
yellow shield will show up in the system tray. Click the shield and choose
"custom" install. If you are offered Windows Genuine Advantage in the
updates, uncheck the box and install the rest. You will get a box asking
whether or not you want to be notified of this update again. Tell it "no" and
you will not be notified again. Install your drivers and your applications.
Enjoy.

See how simple?

 

[Daave]

Yes it is. I bought a copy of XP Home SP3 OEM from Fry's Electronics
last Spring for $59.00 They sold it retail to anyone who wanted it.
Just buy the sumbitch and install it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...der=BESTMATCH&Description=windows+xp+home+sp3

To get around WGA, after the install set Automatic Updates to "Notify
you of updates but do not download or install". When you connect to
the internet, a yellow shield will show up in the system tray. Click
the shield and choose "custom" install. If you are offered Windows
Genuine Advantage in the updates, uncheck the box and install the
rest. You will get a box asking whether or not you want to be
notified of this update again. Tell it "no" and you will not be
notified again. Install your drivers and your applications. Enjoy.

See how simple?

Mark, I am not out to convince you to not get around WGA. I understand
where you're coming from. It's your PC. You purchased a genuine copy of
XP. You know everything is genuine. You want to control the traffic in
and our of your PC, especially since one can argue there is always a
chance for some glitch to occur which could cause you a significant
inconvenience (a very small chance, I am sure, but a chance
nonetheless). That's fine. If you want to disable WGA, go for it.

But, to Greg:

If you wind up buying any legit version of XP (Retail *or* generic OEM),
WGA should not be an issue for you. Although there is some rationale
behind Mark's advice, from a practical viewpoint, you don't need to do
it IMO. Your XP will be genuine and there is a 99.999% chance that WGA
will concur. You can certainly get around WGA if you wish (as Mark and
others have chosen), but you don't *have* to do this!

 

[Greg]

It is certainly legal for you to buy!

And there is no credible evidence that is illegal for you to use it,
either.

It is you who is determining what your system is. If you want a computer
to run Windows XP and are willing to purchase a license for it and
install it, you are bulding your system. It doesn't mean you have to
physically build a PC from scratch from various components. Sure, there
are those who may want you to believe this, but it doesn't make it so. I
challenge you or anyone else to show me where there is an accepted legal
defintion of what the term "system builder" means in the XP EULA. The XP
EULA is the only legal document you need to be concerned with.

You're the system builder, Greg.

What about this?
http://oem.microsoft.com/public/US/licensing/07_03_19booklet.pdf

Greg

 

[Mark Adams]

Mark, I am not out to convince you to not get around WGA. I understand
where you're coming from. It's your PC. You purchased a genuine copy of
XP. You know everything is genuine. You want to control the traffic in
and our of your PC, especially since one can argue there is always a
chance for some glitch to occur which could cause you a significant
inconvenience (a very small chance, I am sure, but a chance
nonetheless). That's fine. If you want to disable WGA, go for it.

But, to Greg:

If you wind up buying any legit version of XP (Retail *or* generic OEM),
WGA should not be an issue for you. Although there is some rationale
behind Mark's advice, from a practical viewpoint, you don't need to do
it IMO. Your XP will be genuine and there is a 99.999% chance that WGA
will concur. You can certainly get around WGA if you wish (as Mark and
others have chosen), but you don't *have* to do this!

Daave, I agree with you 100%. Most people won't have any trouble with WGA. I
only mentioned it because he mentioned it. I don't allow it on my computers
because I CAN choose not to allow it, and I generally don't put stuff on my
computers if I don't have to or want to. I have to say, I never had any
issues with WGA before I learned what it was. I just don't like having to
jump through "Big Brother's" hoops if I don't have to. It's a "power and
control" thing.

 

[Daave]

What about this?
http://oem.microsoft.com/public/US/licensing/07_03_19booklet.pdf

What about it? It looks like it's about Vista first of all. Second of
all, who cares? Like I said, the only important legal document is the
one *you* agree to: the End User License Agreement (*that* was the
challenge; anything else is irrelevant from a legal point of view).
Here's one:

http://101logix.com/Data/winxphomespk1/I386/EULA.TXT

Look, Greg, it's your money. If you want to spend more and get something
that has been discontinued, I won't try to talk you out of it at this
point. I have made my points. There's nothing more I can add. Good luck
with whatever you decide to do.

 

[Daave]

Daave, I agree with you 100%. Most people won't have any trouble with
WGA. I only mentioned it because he mentioned it. I don't allow it on
my computers because I CAN choose not to allow it, and I generally
don't put stuff on my computers if I don't have to or want to. I have
to say, I never had any issues with WGA before I learned what it was.
I just don't like having to jump through "Big Brother's" hoops if I
don't have to. It's a "power and control" thing.

Understood. But something tells me he won't want to get around it (which
is fine, of course). Heck, he seems to be jumping through all sorts of
hoops trying to convince himself it's illegal to buy the generic OEM
version of XP Home! LOL

 

[Mark Adams]

What about this?
http://oem.microsoft.com/public/US/licensing/07_03_19booklet.pdf

Greg

From page 5:

"A system builder is
defined as an OEM, an
assembler, refurbisher, or pre-installer of software on
computer systems."

If you built the system, YOU are the system builder. If Dell, HP, Sony, etc.
built the machine, then you install with the disk you just bought and use the
COA from the sticker on the machine, rather than the one that came with the
disk. Either way, you are legal.
Nevertheless, it will install and activate, and you can purchase it
"over-the-counter".

 

[JoeSpareBedroom]

From page 5:

"A system builder is
defined as an OEM, an
assembler, refurbisher, or pre-installer of software on
computer systems."

If you built the system, YOU are the system builder. If Dell, HP, Sony,
etc.
built the machine, then you install with the disk you just bought and use
the
COA from the sticker on the machine, rather than the one that came with
the
disk. Either way, you are legal.
Nevertheless, it will install and activate, and you can purchase it
"over-the-counter".

Personally, I think "refurbish" includes removing the cover of my computer
and vacuuming out a year's worth of dust. Aren't definitions fun?

 

[M]

I think it because you mentioned the oem for system builders.
Technically, that is not legal for me to buy.

Yes, it is. I have three OEM generic copies. When you buy it, you
magically become a "system builder" because you will installing it.

Alias

 

[Greg]

Understood. But something tells me he won't want to get around it (which
is fine, of course). Heck, he seems to be jumping through all sorts of
hoops trying to convince himself it's illegal to buy the generic OEM
version of XP Home! LOL

Then why does microsoft stop the sell of some of the OEMs off of ebay?

I always assumed it was illegal to buy an oem, including a system
builder oem disk and use it.


Greg

 

[Bob I]

Then why does microsoft stop the sell of some of the OEMs off of ebay?

I always assumed it was illegal to buy an oem, including a system
builder oem disk and use it.

'cause selling used OEM is in violation of the EULA.

 

[Daave]

Then why does microsoft stop the sell of some of the OEMs off of ebay?

Citation?

FWIW, the link Ebay link I provided (which you deleted!) was for a
*Retail* version of XP Home ( _not_ an OEM version!) -- which you had
stated you were looking for! Here it is once more:

http://cgi.ebay.com/WINDOWS-XP-HOME...ryZ41882QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

But it would be foolish for anyone to buy an OEM CD from Ebay since they
are still officially available from places such as Newegg. And it would
be foolish to purchase a used OEM CD anyway since the license would have
already been used up (they are non-transferrable). But Newegg has *brand
new*, 100% legitimate OEM XP CDs.

I always assumed it was illegal to buy an oem, including a system
builder oem disk and use it.

Yes, you made that clear. It was a faulty assumption. The only concern
with regard to OEM versus Retail is the nature of the license. A Retail
license may be transferred, under the EULA, and an OEM license may not
be. You're making this more difficult than it needs to be. Read the
EULA. This is the only legal document that is relevant. There is nothing
in the EULA that implies the transaction and installation we are
discussing is illegal!

Okay, *NOW* I will stop trying to convince you.

 

[Daave]

FWIW, the link Ebay link I provided (which you deleted!) was for a
*Retail* version of XP Home ( _not_ an OEM version!) -- which you had
stated you were looking for! Here it is once more: [snip]

LOL

Yes, MS *is* filtering posts with Ebay links!

See:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/984da706e5feb0eb?hl=en