Oem or retail how do I know which i am buying for sure?

[Guest]

I'm rebuilding a machine which is going to need a new install because I
don't have good restore disks or partition that would work.
I would like to know what product number is used in the full install
version of Windows XP Home Edition. I want the version that I can install on
another machine if this one brakes down. I don't want the one that is
restricted to that machine and cannot be moved to another at later date.

To say another way the "part number" listed by some sellersis N09-00048, is
this the full install or the oem shortcut?

Thanks in advance,
Mike

 

[peter]

here is a site that lists that part number...its the letters after you need
to know
http://www.dealtime.com/xGS-n09_00048
peter

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I'm rebuilding a machine which is going to need a new install
because I don't have good restore disks or partition that would
work.
I would like to know what product number is used in the full install
version of Windows XP Home Edition. I want the version that I can
install on another machine if this one brakes down. I don't want
the one that is restricted to that machine and cannot be moved to
another at later date.

To say another way the "part number" listed by some sellersis
N09-00048, is this the full install or the oem shortcut?

If it does not SPECIFY 'retail' - I wouldn't bother buying.
And you might as well buy the full retail - not an upgrade retail.

In other words - buy from someone trustworthy and get only the one described
as 'retail'. If you see OEM anywhere in the description - don't buy. If it
does not come in an elaborate box, don't buy. If it comes in a cellophane
wrapped sheet of cardboard with a sticker you can peel and put on your
computer - don't buy.

 

[Guest]

Then if it says "RB" I assume that stands for retail box? That's the one I
want and that's the only one they should be selling

 

[Lil' Dave]

I'm rebuilding a machine which is going to need a new install because I

What machine?

don't have good restore disks or partition that would work.

Are you insinuating it did before?

I would like to know what product number is used in the full install
version of Windows XP Home Edition. I want the version that I can install
on
another machine if this one brakes down. I don't want the one that is
restricted to that machine and cannot be moved to another at later date.

To say another way the "part number" listed by some sellersis N09-00048,
is
this the full install or the oem shortcut?

Thanks in advance,
Mike

Don't like your post. Seems you already know the answer based on info
provided so far regarding what you already have. What does control
panel/system/general tab say other than your designated name, registered to?
See "OEM" in there?

There's nothing wrong with OEM retail, unless you intend to do an upgrade
over a previous MS OS.
Dave

 

[PA Bear]

You get what you pay for: If the price seems unbelievably low, it's OEM.

 

[peter]

Everybody puts the poor OEM version down.........
I own 2 licenses one Retail Upgrade...another Retail OEM.I know what each is
capable of being installed on and the limitations of the EULA.
I know both version have the exact same XP.
I have used the OEM version on 3 computers......each time I have rebuild a
system with new mobo,CPU chip...or new RAM I have reinstalled the OEM XP.
Each time I have been able to activate it online...I guess because the time
between installations was longer than 120 days.Yes I had to do a NEW
installation each time but it did not take forever to reinstall programs and
I back up personal stuff as well as XP settings.To me it was a $100
savings.....
Installation work.....vs......money saved
peter

 

[Bob I]

I guess if you are the sort that doesn't keep your agreements then what
the heck. And then people wonder why Microsoft keeps cranking on the
activation!?!?! Damn thieves just make it more difficult for the rest of us.

 

[Alias]

Bob I wrote:

Top posting corrected; see below.

Everybody puts the poor OEM version down.........
I own 2 licenses one Retail Upgrade...another Retail OEM.I know what
each is capable of being installed on and the limitations of the EULA.
I know both version have the exact same XP.
I have used the OEM version on 3 computers......each time I have
rebuild a system with new mobo,CPU chip...or new RAM I have
reinstalled the OEM XP.
Each time I have been able to activate it online...I guess because the
time between installations was longer than 120 days.Yes I had to do a
NEW installation each time but it did not take forever to reinstall
programs and I back up personal stuff as well as XP settings.To me it
was a $100 savings.....
Installation work.....vs......money saved
peter


I guess if you are the sort that doesn't keep your agreements then what
the heck. And then people wonder why Microsoft keeps cranking on the
activation!?!?! Damn thieves just make it more difficult for the rest of
us.

And what, exactly, are you saying was stolen?

 

[HeyBub]

And what, exactly, are you saying was stolen?

The use of an OEM disk on a second and third computers.

 

[Alias]

The use of an OEM disk on a second and third computers.

I didn't ask what was done with something already paid for; I asked
what, exactly, was stolen. No one said anything about using OEM or
Retail on more than one computer simultaneously.

Now, if you're referring to moving a generic OEM from one computer to
another, the EULA has been breached, but NOTHING HAS BEEN STOLEN!!! The
fact that MS wants to be paid twice for the same thing, however, is
HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!

 

[HeyBub]

I didn't ask what was done with something already paid for; I asked
what, exactly, was stolen. No one said anything about using OEM or
Retail on more than one computer simultaneously.

Now, if you're referring to moving a generic OEM from one computer to
another, the EULA has been breached, but NOTHING HAS BEEN STOLEN!!!
The fact that MS wants to be paid twice for the same thing, however,
is HIGHWAY ROBBERY!!!

Intellectual property was stolen, contracts were violated, honesty in the
marketplace was subverted, the moral fabric of society was ripped, and
integrity was tarnished. You, and people like you, are the reason honest
folk have to put up with DMCA, dongles, copy-protection, chips in toner
cartridges, burglar alarms, and invasive inspections at airports.

Fortunately, very few people since the Magna Carta in 1216 (and possibly
since the Code of Hammurabi) agree with your definition of either "stolen"
or "robbery."

Of those who do have an opinion similar to yours, a large number are in
jail.

Those who advocates using an OEM distribution on more than one computer
should be ashamed and the rest of us should not only shun them, but feel
pity for their mothers.

 

[Alias]

Intellectual property was stolen, contracts were violated, honesty in the
marketplace was subverted, the moral fabric of society was ripped, and
integrity was tarnished. You, and people like you, are the reason honest
folk have to put up with DMCA, dongles, copy-protection, chips in toner
cartridges, burglar alarms, and invasive inspections at airports.

Fortunately, very few people since the Magna Carta in 1216 (and possibly
since the Code of Hammurabi) agree with your definition of either "stolen"
or "robbery."

Of those who do have an opinion similar to yours, a large number are in
jail.

Those who advocates using an OEM distribution on more than one computer
should be ashamed and the rest of us should not only shun them, but feel
pity for their mothers.

When you get down from your high moral horse, let me know. I never
suggested simultaneous use of an OEM distribution on more than one
machine or retail for that matter.

 

[Shenan Stanley]

peter wrote:

I agreed to use the OS on one system..........thats what I am
doing. What designates a system is still up to interpretation....do
I have a "new" system when I change the RAM.....or when I change
the CPU........or what if I keep the CPU and RAM and just change
the Mobo????

Actually - I thought changes to the EULA a few years back on OEM licenses
for Windows cleared that up...

Microsoft License FAQs - Word Document...
http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-c80436181742/OSLicQA.doc

#11...
.... An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal
computer." Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred
from one computer to another. Therefore, if the motherboard is upgraded or
replaced for reasons other than a defect then a new computer has been
created, the original license expires, and a new full operating system
license (not upgrade) is required. ...

Also see here:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html
Which takes you (or can) to:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm

Of which the email from Microsoft - the first paragraph in fact - is the
most pertinent to this discussion. Interpretation?

 

[norm]

peter wrote:


Actually - I thought changes to the EULA a few years back on OEM licenses
for Windows cleared that up...

Microsoft License FAQs - Word Document...
http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-c80436181742/OSLicQA.doc

#11...
... An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal
computer." Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be transferred
from one computer to another. Therefore, if the motherboard is upgraded or
replaced for reasons other than a defect then a new computer has been
created, the original license expires, and a new full operating system
license (not upgrade) is required. ...

Also see here:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html
Which takes you (or can) to:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/oemeula.htm

Of which the email from Microsoft - the first paragraph in fact - is the
most pertinent to this discussion. Interpretation?

I just read through the xp oem eula from an installation I did on a
machine that I built and use. Nowhere in the eula is the mb mentioned or
cited. It would seem that the eula, not license faqs, would be the only
document that has any bearing, as that is the only document the home
installer using legally purchased oem software is required to agree with
in order to use the software.

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I just read through the xp oem eula from an installation I did on a
machine that I built and use. Nowhere in the eula is the mb
mentioned or cited. It would seem that the eula, not license faqs,
would be the only document that has any bearing, as that is the
only document the home installer using legally purchased oem
software is required to agree with in order to use the software.

How old is that OEM version - when was it purchased?

I cannot disagree with that - since most of the Microsoft EULAs I have seen
contain:

18. ENTIRE AGREEMENT. This EULA (including
any addendum or amendment to this EULA which is included
with the Product) are the entire agreement between you and
Microsoft relating to the Product and the support services
(if any) and they supersede all prior or contemporaneous
oral or written communications, proposals and
representations with respect to the Product or any other
subject matter covered by this EULA. To the extent the
terms of any Microsoft policies or programs for support
services conflict with the terms of this EULA, the terms
of this EULA shall control.

 

[norm]

How old is that OEM version - when was it purchased?

I cannot disagree with that - since most of the Microsoft EULAs I have seen
contain:

18. ENTIRE AGREEMENT. This EULA (including
any addendum or amendment to this EULA which is included
with the Product) are the entire agreement between you and
Microsoft relating to the Product and the support services
(if any) and they supersede all prior or contemporaneous
oral or written communications, proposals and
representations with respect to the Product or any other
subject matter covered by this EULA. To the extent the
terms of any Microsoft policies or programs for support
services conflict with the terms of this EULA, the terms
of this EULA shall control.

I can't say for sure, but I believe the software was purchased within
the last year. I do have an oem vista home premium version purchased
within the last 6 months with which to make a eula comparison, and the
vista eula also does not mention or cite the mb. I have read in this ng
that if the home builder uses an oem version, that he or she then has
the right to determine what is acceptable or not in terms of hardware
replacement. It might be correct info or not.

 

[HeyBub]

When you get down from your high moral horse, let me know. I never
suggested simultaneous use of an OEM distribution on more than one
machine or retail for that matter.

Adding prevarication to your list of attributes is moving in the wrong moral
direction.

I'm going to pray to Baby Jesus.

 

[dobey]

Adding prevarication to your list of attributes is moving in the wrong
moral direction.

I'm going to pray to Baby Jesus.

Ask him to bring me a beer will you?

 

[Alias]

Adding prevarication to your list of attributes is moving in the wrong moral
direction.

Considering that I did not prevaricate, your point is mute and a
prevarication.

I'm going to pray to Baby Jesus.

You mean that bloody guy you think got strung up on a cross who has
*saved* no one and who probably married Magdalena, moved to India, had a
slew of kids and died of old age as a Buddhist? Do you also believe in
Santa, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and Peter Pan?