OEM License Question

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Todd and Margo Chester

Hi,

When upgrading someone who got nabbed with WGA,
(who "thought" they had a legitimate OEM copy), does
Microsoft allow for us resellers to sell them
a new OEM version, or are they stuck with
the more expensive retail version?

-T
 
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| Hi,
|
| When upgrading someone who got nabbed with WGA,
| (who "thought" they had a legitimate OEM copy), does
| Microsoft allow for us resellers to sell them
| a new OEM version, or are they stuck with
| the more expensive retail version?
|
| -T
 
You need to match the illegal version that the end user has on their computer
if you are going to want to repair install without losing any information.
If you are going to format the machine and put a new version on then you can
sell them an OEM version, but remember OEM software must be sold with
non-peripheral hardware only! Any hardware external to the actual case is a
peripheral you can sell them a simple 4 pin power splitter for 5 dollars or
less. Newegg gives these away free with the OEM software. Hope this helps.

Joe

Kemco IT Professional
 
I have been a system builder partner for years. I don't know of any product
purchase requirement.
 
OEM system builder software is designed for
preinstallation on PCs by system builders.
It's not designed for end-users
to install on preexisting machines.
The OEM system builder license
agreement, affixed to the side of all OEM system
builder packs, requires that
OEM software be distributed with and preinstalled
on a fully assembled PC,
that the preinstaller support that software, and many
other requirements that
aren't appropriate for an end user. If your customer
would like Microsoft Windows XP genuine
software for their machine, they can acquire a "retail version." We
appreciate your understanding of the rules. If you feel other companies are
not abiding by these rules, please send information to (e-mail address removed)
or call 1-800-RU-LEGIT to report such activity. Microsoft investigates every
lead they get.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/

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| They want you to buy a certain amount of product and
| then sigh up for a program.
|
| Do you know the answer?
 
kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys- said:
I have been a system builder partner for years. I don't know of any product
purchase requirement.
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As I read it, the current system builders agreement does not allow the
selling of OEM software (OS) unless it's installed directly on a
computer by the OEM. OEM's may transfer media/licenses without
notification now, but OEM's, according to the SB website, may not sell
OEM XP directly to end-users without installing it on a server.

You can argue with what I just wrote all you want, but check the
agreement on the System Builders website BEFORE you reply that this is
incorrect - these rules changed this year.
 
OEM system builder software is designed for
preinstallation on PCs by system builders.
It's not designed for end-users
to install on preexisting machines.
The OEM system builder license
agreement, affixed to the side of all OEM system
builder packs, requires that
OEM software be distributed with and preinstalled
on a fully assembled PC,
that the preinstaller support that software, and many
other requirements that
aren't appropriate for an end user. If your customer
would like Microsoft Windows XP genuine
software for their machine, they can acquire a "retail version." We
appreciate your understanding of the rules. If you feel other companies are
not abiding by these rules, please send information to (e-mail address removed)
or call 1-800-RU-LEGIT to report such activity. Microsoft investigates every
lead they get.
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Carry,
You forgot to add one thing.
If end users builds or rebuilds a computer. They are in a since a
system builder. So they can actual buy an oem and install on their
own machine without any hardware requirement. This is the way I
understand and it is in the Oem groups. So yes he can sell it. If
the customers says he a system builder and his building or rebuilding
a system.

Greg Rozelle
 
Todd said:
Hi,

When upgrading someone who got nabbed with WGA,
(who "thought" they had a legitimate OEM copy), does
Microsoft allow for us resellers to sell them
a new OEM version, or are they stuck with
the more expensive retail version?

-T
Click to expand...

I got hold of a nice little tool which told me what the Product number
of my Windows XP was, from the inside. It is called SystemInfo, is
freeware, and is at:
http://www.sixfiles.com/dbase/files/gabriel-topala-siw.html
 
Leythos said:
As I read it, the current system builders agreement does not allow the
selling of OEM software (OS) unless it's installed directly on a
computer by the OEM. OEM's may transfer media/licenses without
notification now, but OEM's, according to the SB website, may not sell
OEM XP directly to end-users without installing it on a server.

You can argue with what I just wrote all you want, but check the
agreement on the System Builders website BEFORE you reply that this is
incorrect - these rules changed this year.
Click to expand...

I know the rules have changed. You can sell unopened packs of OEM XP to
another system builder. This could be a one pack, 3 pack, or 30 pack. Two
different Microsoft licensing reps have told me anyone who says they are
building a system is a system builder. This means you can order a one pack
of OEM XP and sell it to anyone. There is no requirement for qualifying
hardware only that the buyer tell you they are a system builder. I was also
told by a Microsoft rep that I could sell OEM XP to a person who has failed
WGA. Again it has to be an unopened one pack. What you can't do is break up
a multi pack and sell the individual units.

I don't think this is what the OP was talking about. I think they were under
the impression that you had to meet some kind of quota i.e. purchase x
amount of product to register as a partner. I've never heard of this.
 
Todd said:
Hi,

When upgrading someone who got nabbed with WGA,
(who "thought" they had a legitimate OEM copy), does
Microsoft allow for us resellers to sell them
a new OEM version, or are they stuck with
the more expensive retail version?

-T
Click to expand...

If someone showed up at your place of business due to an
invalid copy of Windows XP, would you actually worsen their
situation by selling them an OEM copy when the sale is not
qualified? As the seller, you are expected to know and if
you made a mistake, nobody, including Microsoft, is going to
back you up. All you are doing is pushing units...just push
the right one.
 
Leythos said:
As I read it, the current system builders agreement does not allow the
selling of OEM software (OS) unless it's installed directly on a
computer by the OEM. OEM's may transfer media/licenses without
notification now, but OEM's, according to the SB website, may not sell
OEM XP directly to end-users without installing it on a server.

You can argue with what I just wrote all you want, but check the
agreement on the System Builders website BEFORE you reply that this is
incorrect - these rules changed this year.
Click to expand...

Snicker. I just bought an English language version of OEM XP Pro
yesterday. Cost me 159.57 of your dollars, including VAT. No hardware,
no computer, just the software. Looked over the EULA and, guess what, it
hasn't changed one iota over the one I bought in 2003 and it says
nothing about paying a visit to a password protected SB site, much less
agreeing to a password protected SB EULA.

Oops.

Alias
 
aka@ said:
Snicker. I just bought an English language version of OEM XP Pro
yesterday. Cost me 159.57 of your dollars, including VAT. No hardware,
no computer, just the software. Looked over the EULA and, guess what, it
hasn't changed one iota over the one I bought in 2003 and it says
nothing about paying a visit to a password protected SB site, much less
agreeing to a password protected SB EULA.

Oops.
Click to expand...

And that doesn't have anything to do with the System Builders agreement
- the agreement doesn't make SB's follow it, it's a set of rules, and
violation of them, if found, can get your SB status revoked. You will
always be able to get around the SB requirements by using some unethical
SB vendors.
 
Leythos said:
And that doesn't have anything to do with the System Builders agreement
- the agreement doesn't make SB's follow it, it's a set of rules, and
violation of them, if found, can get your SB status revoked. You will
always be able to get around the SB requirements by using some unethical
SB vendors.
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ALL stores in Spain ONLY sell OEM with NO hardware. Are you telling me
that MS doesn't know about this? You cannot get a full retail version
ANYWHERE. Now, please, tell me how the retailers are being "unethical".

Alias
 
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ALL stores in Spain ONLY sell OEM with NO hardware. Are you telling me
that MS doesn't know about this? You cannot get a full retail version
ANYWHERE. Now, please, tell me how the retailers are being "unethical".

Alias
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Hi Alias
You keep saying this about Spain - soon you will sound like you know who
with their auto-reply.
Are you talking about walk-in shops/stores, web sites or what.
You also say you cannot buy retail WIN XP anywhere.
Again, are you talking about shops etc and Spanish based suppliers on the
net?
Have you asked MS why?
Have you asked the shops etc why you cannot get XP retail and don't have to
buy a piece of hardware to get the OEM?
Hope you don't mind my asking ;-)
Rgds
Antioch
 
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