OEM and Standard windows - What are the differences?

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Matt Buxton

I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the actual differences between
the OEM versions of Windows XP home and Professional and the standard are.
Somebody told me that the OEM version only supports a small number of
hardware upgrades etc, any truth in this?

Furthermore, I was considering creating an unattended setup disk to
reinstall peoples computers with, slipstreamed with the latest hot fixes
etc. If I use my personal copies of XP Home and XP Professional for the
basis of such a disk, is it enough to create a disk like that then just
input each persons unique XP key, then reactivate the operating system? Or
is it only OK to do that in cases where the individual is not running an OEM
version of windows xp?

Thanks in advance, this group has been very helpful to me and I appreciate
it.

Matt
 
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Alias

Matt Buxton said:
I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the actual differences between
the OEM versions of Windows XP home and Professional and the standard are.
Somebody told me that the OEM version only supports a small number of
hardware upgrades etc, any truth in this?

No, the only real difference is the price, despite all the FUD other posters
may try to lay on you.
Furthermore, I was considering creating an unattended setup disk to
reinstall peoples computers with, slipstreamed with the latest hot fixes
etc. If I use my personal copies of XP Home and XP Professional for the
basis of such a disk, is it enough to create a disk like that then just
input each persons unique XP key, then reactivate the operating system? Or
is it only OK to do that in cases where the individual is not running an
OEM version of windows xp?
Yes.

Thanks in advance, this group has been very helpful to me and I appreciate
it.

Matt

Anytime.

Alias
 
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Doug Knox MS-MVP

Alias has given you some incorrect information.

OEM versions will not perform an upgrade install, only clean installations. Retail versions, full or upgrade, will upgrade an existing installation (98 or higher).

OEM versions are not entitled to any free support from Microsoft, other than what might be offered for Service Pack installs and the like.

As far as using your CD's to create slipstreamed discs, this may not work. There are files that are included in the Setup that tell it whether its OEM, VLK or Retail. Use of a different type of CD Key may fail to work.
 
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kurttrail

Doug said:
Alias has given you some incorrect information.

OEM versions will not perform an upgrade install, only clean
installations. Retail versions, full or upgrade, will upgrade an
existing installation (98 or higher).

OEM versions are not entitled to any free support from Microsoft,
other than what might be offered for Service Pack installs and the
like.

As far as using your CD's to create slipstreamed discs, this may not
work. There are files that are included in the Setup that tell it
whether its OEM, VLK or Retail. Use of a different type of CD Key
may fail to work.

There are no slipstreaming problems with generic OEM CDs, and even with
OEM CDs modified by an OEM, most, if not all, slipstreaming problems can
be overcome by simply deletely the files they have add to the OEM CD
image.


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Carey Frisch [MVP]

Limitations of OEM versions of Windows XP:

-- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation.
-- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition.
-- cannot be transferred to a different computer in the future.
-- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user.
-- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.
-- must be purchased with some type of computer hardware.
-- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key.
is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the "seller".
-- cannot be installed using a "retail version" Product Key.
-- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks.

Should you purchase an OEM license version of XP?
http://www.tek-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=4004

Other than the above noted exceptions, an OEM version of Windows XP
does not operationally differ from a "retail version".

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| I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the actual differences between
| the OEM versions of Windows XP home and Professional and the standard are.
| Somebody told me that the OEM version only supports a small number of
| hardware upgrades etc, any truth in this?
|
| Furthermore, I was considering creating an unattended setup disk to
| reinstall peoples computers with, slipstreamed with the latest hot fixes
| etc. If I use my personal copies of XP Home and XP Professional for the
| basis of such a disk, is it enough to create a disk like that then just
| input each persons unique XP key, then reactivate the operating system? Or
| is it only OK to do that in cases where the individual is not running an OEM
| version of windows xp?
|
| Thanks in advance, this group has been very helpful to me and I appreciate
| it.
|
| Matt



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Bruce Chambers

Matt said:
I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the actual differences between
the OEM versions of Windows XP home and Professional and the standard are.
Somebody told me that the OEM version only supports a small number of
hardware upgrades etc, any truth in this?


If you're dealing with a BIOS-locked (a.k.a., SLP) OEM CD or Recovery
CD, it'll be bound to the motherboard. I've even seen some reports (but
haven't personally encountered) that some manufacturer's Recovery CDs
will balk even if only the RAM or hard drive has been changed. However,
there are no upgrade limitations to a generic OEM installation CD.

There are some very important reasons that an OEM license costs so
much less than a retail license. OEM licenses are very limited:

1) OEM versions must be sold with a piece of non-peripheral
hardware (normally a motherboard or hard drive, if not an entire PC,
although Microsoft has greatly relaxed the hardware criteria for WinXP)
and are _permanently_ bound to the first PC on which they are installed.
An OEM license, once installed, is not legally transferable to another
computer under any circumstances. This is the main reason some people
avoid OEM versions; if the PC dies or is otherwise disposed of (even
stolen), you cannot re-use your OEM license on a new PC. The only
legitimate way to transfer the ownership of an OEM license is to
transfer ownership of the entire PC.

2) Microsoft provides no free support for OEM versions. If you
have any problems that require outside assistance, your only recourse is
to contact the manufacturer/builder of the PC or the vendor of the OEM
license. This would include such issues as lost a Product Key or
replacing damaged installation media. (Microsoft does make allowances
for those instances when you can prove that the OEM has gone out of
business.) This doesn't mean that you can't download patches and
service packs from Microsoft -- just no free telephone or email support
for problems with the OS.

3) An OEM CD cannot be used to perform an upgrade of an earlier
OS, as it was designed to be installed _only_ upon an empty hard drive.
It can still be used to perform a repair installation (a.k.a. an
in-place upgrade) of an existing WinXP installation.

4) If the OEM CD was designed by a specific manufacturer, such as
eMachines, Sony, Dell, Gateway, etc., it will most likely only install
on the same brand of PC, as an additional anti-piracy feature. Further,
such CDs are severely customized to contain only the minimum of device
drivers, and a lot of extra nonsense, that the manufacturer feels
necessary for the specific model of PC for which the CD was designed.
(To be honest, such CDs should _not_ be available on the open market;
but, if you're shopping someplace on-line like eBay, swap meets, or
computer fairs, there's often no telling what you're buying until it's
too late.) The "generic" OEM CDs, such as are manufactured by Microsoft
and sold to small systems builders, don't have this particular problem,
though, and are pretty much the same as their retail counterparts, apart
from the licensing, support, and upgrading restrictions.


Furthermore, I was considering creating an unattended setup disk to
reinstall peoples computers with, slipstreamed with the latest hot fixes
etc. If I use my personal copies of XP Home and XP Professional for the
basis of such a disk, is it enough to create a disk like that then just
input each persons unique XP key, then reactivate the operating system? Or
is it only OK to do that in cases where the individual is not running an OEM
version of windows xp?


This plan won't work, unless each of your customers has the same type
of license as you do.

Product Keys are bound to the specific type and language of
CD/license (OEM, Volume, retail, full, or Upgrade) with which they are
purchased. For example, a WinXP Home OEM Product Key won't work for any
retail version of WinXP Home, or for any version of WinXP Pro, and vice
versa. An upgrade's Product Key cannot be used with a full version CD,
and vice versa. An OEM Product Key will not work to install a retail
product. An Italian Product Key will not work with an English CD. Bottom
line: Product Keys and CD types cannot be mixed & matched.


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Alias

Carey Frisch said:
Limitations of OEM versions of Windows XP:

-- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation.

Clean installs are better.
-- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition.

The way it should be installed.
-- cannot be transferred to a different computer in the future.
Horsepucky.

-- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user.

More horsepucky.
-- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.

Who cares?
-- must be purchased with some type of computer hardware.

More horsepucky. I have bought three without any hardware.
-- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key.
is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the
"seller".

So? Know your seller.
-- cannot be installed using a "retail version" Product Key.

So what?
-- cost less than "retail versions" due to the above limitations/risks.

No, costs A LOT less.
 
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Bruce Chambers

Alias said:
No, the only real difference is the price, despite all the FUD other posters
may try to lay on you.

That's not necessarily true, depending upon the specific type of CD
involved. You might try acquainting yourself with the facts, rather
than immediately spouting your irrelevant anti-Microsoft, anti-licensing
drivel.



That's an outright lie and a technical impossibility. Products Keys
and license types can't be mixed & matched.



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Alias

Bruce Chambers said:
That's not necessarily true, depending upon the specific type of CD
involved. You might try acquainting yourself with the facts, rather than
immediately spouting your irrelevant anti-Microsoft, anti-licensing
drivel.

I meant a generic OEM. Sorry. I will be sure to put "generic" in from now
on.

Alias
 
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Bruce Chambers

Alias said:
Clean installs are better.


Horsepuckey, yourself. Please provide independent technical
documentation to support this assertion.

WinXP is designed to install and upgrade the existing operating
system while simultaneously preserving the applications and data, and
translating as many personalized settings as possible. The process is
designed to be, and normally is, quite painless. That said, things
can go wrong, in a small number of cases.

People claiming that a clean installation is always better than an
upgrade are living in the past, and might be basing their recommendation
on their experiences with older operating systems. one would probably
save a lot of time by upgrading the PC to WinXP, rather than performing
a clean installation, if there are no hardware or software
incompatibilities. Microsoft has greatly improved (over earlier versions
of Windows) WinXP's ability to smoothly upgrade an earlier OS.


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Alias

Bruce Chambers said:
Horsepuckey, yourself. Please provide independent technical documentation
to support this assertion.

Check out the spyware/malware/virus reports on different programs to remove
them. None are 100%. So, you upgrade, SP 2 goes haywire and what do you have
to do??? Clean install.
WinXP is designed to install and upgrade the existing operating
system while simultaneously preserving the applications and data, and
translating as many personalized settings as possible. The process is
designed to be, and normally is, quite painless. That said, things
can go wrong, in a small number of cases.

Only if the machine is clean. See above.
People claiming that a clean installation is always better than an
upgrade are living in the past, and might be basing their recommendation
on their experiences with older operating systems. one would probably
save a lot of time by upgrading the PC to WinXP, rather than performing a
clean installation, if there are no hardware or software
incompatibilities. Microsoft has greatly improved (over earlier versions
of Windows) WinXP's ability to smoothly upgrade an earlier OS.

See above. Clean install = for sure no problems.

Upgrade = Roll the dice and possible waste a lot of time to come to the
conclusion that you should have clean installed.

Alias
 
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Leythos

WinXP is designed to install and upgrade the existing operating
system while simultaneously preserving the applications and data, and
translating as many personalized settings as possible. The process is
designed to be, and normally is, quite painless. That said, things
can go wrong, in a small number of cases.

Bruce, I hate to disagree, but an OS is best installed from scratch on
ANY platform. The only time you install as an upgrade is when you have
no means to backup the information you want to keep.

I've seen to many instances were an XP upgrade over the old OS didn't
leave the system stable, but when wiped and installed from scratch, it
worked perfectly on the same system.

Many times it's quicker to do a fresh install than dealing with the
"issues" presented over the next couple days of an upgrade.
 
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Bruce Chambers

Leythos said:
Bruce, I hate to disagree, but an OS is best installed from scratch on
ANY platform. The only time you install as an upgrade is when you have
no means to backup the information you want to keep.

We've obviously had different experiences. But I can't agree that a
clean install is *ALWAYS* and categorically the better choice. There
are times when a clean install is preferable, and times when it's just a
waste of time. Circumstances vary.

I've seen to many instances were an XP upgrade over the old OS didn't
leave the system stable, but when wiped and installed from scratch, it
worked perfectly on the same system.


I've seen the same thing, when the upgrade is performed on top of a
problematic OS, with incompatible applications installed, if there's
malware present, or if the hardware isn't fully compatible. What I have
not seen are any problems with upgrades performed on compatible hardware
with a properly maintained earlier OS.

Many times it's quicker to do a fresh install than dealing with the
"issues" presented over the next couple days of an upgrade.

Yes, sometimes time is a factor in the decision process.


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Kerry Brown

Matt Buxton said:
I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the actual differences between
the OEM versions of Windows XP home and Professional and the standard are.
Somebody told me that the OEM version only supports a small number of
hardware upgrades etc, any truth in this?

Furthermore, I was considering creating an unattended setup disk to
reinstall peoples computers with, slipstreamed with the latest hot fixes
etc. If I use my personal copies of XP Home and XP Professional for the
basis of such a disk, is it enough to create a disk like that then just
input each persons unique XP key, then reactivate the operating system? Or
is it only OK to do that in cases where the individual is not running an
OEM version of windows xp?

Thanks in advance, this group has been very helpful to me and I appreciate
it.

Matt

Matt

You've received many different conflicting answers. If you are looking to
repair computers I'll tell you my experience. You will need a slipstreamed
CD for each version Home and Pro, OEM, retail, VLK. MSDN, ActionPack, etc.
That's a lot of CD's but each version will not accept a key from a different
version. This is a licensing issue but it must be worked around if you are
working on computers with all the different versions.

Operationally, once the OS is installed, the only differences are between
Home and Pro.

Kerry
 
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Steve N.

kurttrail said:
There are no slipstreaming problems with generic OEM CDs, and even with
OEM CDs modified by an OEM, most, if not all, slipstreaming problems can
be overcome by simply deletely the files they have add to the OEM CD
image.

Isn't all that's required are the i386 folder & contents from the CD and
the SP source?

Steve
 
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Alias

Leythos said:
Bruce, I hate to disagree, but an OS is best installed from scratch on
ANY platform. The only time you install as an upgrade is when you have
no means to backup the information you want to keep.

I've seen to many instances were an XP upgrade over the old OS didn't
leave the system stable, but when wiped and installed from scratch, it
worked perfectly on the same system.

Many times it's quicker to do a fresh install than dealing with the
"issues" presented over the next couple days of an upgrade.

Will wonders never cease! Leythos and I actually agree on something.

Alias
 
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Steve N.

Carey said:
Limitations of OEM versions of Windows XP:

-- cannot upgrade over an existing Windows installation.
-- must be installed "clean" on a freshly reformatted drive or partition.
-- cannot be transferred to a different computer in the future.
-- the license cannot be sold or transferred to another user.

Sure it can if the other user buys the computer including the OS.
-- are not eligible for free Microsoft technical support.
-- must be purchased with some type of computer hardware.
-- any problems whatsoever with the installation CD or Product Key.
is not eligible for Microsoft support....you have to deal with the "seller".

The word "Seller" does not appear anywhere in the EULA.

"This End-User
License Agreement ("EULA") is a legal agreement between you
(either an individual or a single legal entity) and the
manufacturer ("Manufacturer") of the computer system or
computer system component ("HARDWARE") with which you acquired
the Microsoft software product(s) identified on the
Certificate of Authenticity ("COA") affixed to the HARDWARE or
on the associated product documentation ("SOFTWARE")."

Buy a copy of XP OEM Pro or Home with a Microsoft mouse from Wal-Mart,
the EULA is between you and MS since MS is the manufacturer of the
hardware it was purchased with.

Steve
 
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Leythos

aka@ said:
Will wonders never cease! Leythos and I actually agree on something.

In your case Alias, you and I seem to, for the most part, only disagree
on Politics and Licensing.
 
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Steve N.

Alias said:
Check out the spyware/malware/virus reports on different programs to remove
them. None are 100%. So, you upgrade, SP 2 goes haywire and what do you have
to do??? Clean install.



Only if the machine is clean. See above.



See above. Clean install = for sure no problems.

Upgrade = Roll the dice and possible waste a lot of time to come to the
conclusion that you should have clean installed.

Alias

Not to mention file system problems that can only be corrected by a new
partition and format.

Steve
 
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Doug Knox MS-MVP

There is a file SETUPP.INI that contains the information that is used to calculate the PID. This is tied to the CD Key used. OEM CD's won't take retail keys, and vice-versa.
 

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