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magineer02

You use a "regular" USB cable for the external USB hard drive.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb



A "regular" cable has Type A on one end, Type B on the other end.

Type A plugs into the computer. Type B plugs into the enclosure.



You can verify this for yourself, by looking at pictures of the

drive enclosure you're buying. See if there is a "square connector hole"

for the Type B.



*******



The Laplink cable is, strictly speaking, non-standard. It has

Type A on both ends, and a "blob" of electronics located somewhere

between the two connectors. The "blob" provides logical isolation

between the two computers ("hosts"). We're not sure about the

electrical properties - if using Laplink, I would recommend the

two computers be on the same power strip. That seems safest.

That's because of the potential for a ground loop.



Some laptop external drives, come with absolutely illegal cables,

with Type A male, on all ends. You should *not* connect two computers

together with that. Of course, the temptation for manufacturers

to do something that stupid, was just overpowering, and they

couldn't help themselves.



USB is meant to connect from host to peripheral, not host to host.

The Laplink cable solves that problem, via logical isolation.

The "blob" of electronics, forms an electronic mailbox. The

software on one side, sees the mailbox, and leaves a "letter"

in the mailbox. The computer accessing the other side of

the blob, notices it just received a "letter" in its view

of the mailbox. In this way, two hosts communicate with

each other, without violating the design intent of the USB

architecture. The computers think they're talking to a "mailbox

peripheral", so each computer thinks it is a host to peripheral

situation.



Unfortunately, there are other USB cables with "blobs". They're

active repeater cables. In that case, there's a male and female

connector on either end of the cable, and the blob houses a

one-port-hub (USB hub) electronics. Active repeater cables are

used for making a "USB extension cord", so you can connect a

web cam a couple of rooms over. And a repeater cable, since it has

male on one end and female on the other, cannot be used

to connect two computers directly to one another. Only

a Laplink cable can be used for that. And a Laplink cable

cannot function as an extension cord, because again, it

has the wrong connectors on the end.



As long as cable makers avoid providing all manner of adapters,

then the user can't get in trouble. By violating the rules,

then we end up with a mess, where the consumer needs tech

support, every time they reach for USB. Which is not

a desirable situation. The connector types were originally

intended to make the cabling "foolproof".



I know this is only making matters worse, but thought I'd

provide a little background.



Paul

Yes, I'm getting a bit confused here, not just with your comments. I did managed to create a backup folder for my links as you suggested.

However, I still don't understand how I will move my data from the 8200 to the 8500. As far as I understand it David talked about physically removing the HD from the 8200 and installing it in the external backup, then after the transfer of data reinstall it back into the 8200.

So am I suppose to use the external backup HD to transfer my data to the 8500? I had thought that all I needed was a USB cable and software and that the external HD backup was to backup the 8500 not the 8200.

This seems allot of work to transfer the files from the 8200 to the 8500
and its getting more confusing and you conpletely lost my on config's, plugins etc. Do I realy have to know all that? I also have to think about installing Classic Shell, and Macrium when and where.

Thanks,
Robert
 
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Paul

Yes, I'm getting a bit confused here, not just with your comments. I did managed to create a backup folder for my links as you suggested.

However, I still don't understand how I will move my data from the 8200 to the 8500. As far as I understand it David talked about physically removing the HD from the 8200 and installing it in the external backup, then after the transfer of data reinstall it back into the 8200.

So am I suppose to use the external backup HD to transfer my data to the 8500? I had thought that all I needed was a USB cable and software and that the external HD backup was to backup the 8500 not the 8200.

This seems allot of work to transfer the files from the 8200 to the 8500
and its getting more confusing and you conpletely lost my on config's, plugins etc. Do I realy have to know all that? I also have to think about installing Classic Shell, and Macrium when and where.

Thanks,
Robert

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-8500/fs

XPS8500 OS = Windows 8
(could run Classic Shell, to look like a previous OS)
= Typically, OEM machines also come with downgrade rights
to run Windows 7. So if you want, after you get the
8500, you could revert to Windows 7. Just keep that in
mind, if you give Windows 8 a fair try, and don't like it.

XPS8200 OS = WinXP

So we look for an article on File and Settings Transfer Wizard, then
read the details.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/transfer-files-settings-another-pc

"Decide which transfer method you'll use:

Easy Transfer cable USB (a.k.a LapLink USB cable)

or

A network that both PCs are connected to

or

A USB flash or external hard drive

"

Notice also, in Step 5, they show that FAST supports three different OSes.
You should always check for that, when visiting one of those web pages.
I take it from that web page, you can take stuff from a WinXP computer,
to a Win8 computer.

So, they give you some choices.

Just plugging the two computers into the same router, gives
you an instant network connection. Then you can use the second
method.

And you can transfer as much or as little as you want with FAST.
There are tick boxes to control what is transferred.

Personally I don't use it, because I'm more of a control freak,
and there's lots of things I'd rather do manually. When I migrate
from one computer to another, I take my "data" folder with me,
the profile folder from Thunderbird, profile folder from Firefox,
any email folder, and that's about it. And that can all be done
manually. Just takes a few hours, until it's done right. (I might
not get it right on the first try.)

*******

None of that addresses backups.

You can use Macrium for example, to back up the data on the 8200.
If say, someone steals your 8200, the backup copy of the data might
be safely stored some where away from the 8200.

You could use Macrium to back up the new 8500.

An external hard drive, can have room for the backup of more than
one computer. And the purpose of a backup disk, external to the
computer, is to compensate for the un-reliability of hard drives
(dying when you least expect it).

Once you know you have absolutely no more interest in the 8200,
you can simply erase all the backups of the 8200 you've made.

Paul
 
M

magineer02

This really is not as complicated as you are making it out to be. Maybe you

are jumping the gun and are over analyzing your needs too soon.


I'm not trying to make this complicated but seems so to me. Please remember this is basic to all of you but it isn't to me. I will need a bit of time to go over everything you've given and try to understand it.

Thank you,
Robert
 
M

magineer02

From: <[email protected]>












Stick with Avast and don't go with McAfee "retail" AV software.



The Dell XPS 8500 is fine.

If it is Win8/32 get 4GB RAM

If it is Win8/64 (most likely) minimum 6~8GB is reccomended.



With Win8 I also reccomend Classic Shell to get over the Metro UI.

http://www.classicshell.net/



As for transferring data such as Favourites, links, documents, etc...



Get a 3 1/2" IDE to USB hard disk enclosure. Then you can hand the hard disk of the

Dimension as an external hard disk to the XPS and traffer the data. Oncethe data is

transferred, you can reformat the external hard disk and use it for backups.



http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...kwCjCs81CjCE&gclid=CNOTzMfLqbYCFVGf4AodX3cABg



Or you can use a Universal hard disk conversion kit to just access and transfer the data

to the new computer.

http://www.starsurplus.com/viewitem.lasso?i=2020



--

Dave

Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk

http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



Hello Dave,

I understand appreciate your help very much along with everyone else.

I think you were right and I was shoveling more on my plate than I could handle. So I decided to go back to the beginning and take one thing at a time..

After selecting the 8500 and its options, the next step was to transfer thedata etc from the 8200 to the 8500.

I liked this option you gave:

Or you can use a Universal hard disk conversion kit to just access and transfer the data
to the new computer.
http://www.starsurplus.com/viewitem.lasso?i=2020

but when I clicked on the link it said it was out of stock or no longer available. Is there another similar conversion kit I can use?

Thoughts/Suggestions,
Robert
 
M

magineer02

From: <[email protected]>














Yeah, I saw that Yesterday so when I replied to you Yesterday I provided a

new URL

http://www.starsurplus.com/viewitem.lasso?i=2020-OTB



This is "In Stock".



Don't worry. There are multiple manufacturers available from different

sources. I bought the one I have over the counter.



--

Dave

Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk

http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp


So I use this USB cable to connect both computers and use Macrium software to tranfer the data?

Robert
 
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David H. Lipman

From: said:
So I use this USB cable to connect both computers and use Macrium software to tranfer
the
data?

Robert

No.
You temporarily remove the hard disk from the XP PC and place it on the USB to hard disk
"kit",
you connect the USB side to the Win8 PC,
you transfer the data from the hard disk to the Win8 PC using the built in Windows
Explorer,
then you remove the drive from the "kit" and then re-install it in the WinXP PC.

Macrium is backup software to creates backup sets to external media such as a USB
connected hard disk.
 
M

magineer02

No.

You temporarily remove the hard disk from the XP PC and place it on the USB to hard disk

"kit",

you connect the USB side to the Win8 PC,

you transfer the data from the hard disk to the Win8 PC using the built in Windows

Explorer,

then you remove the drive from the "kit" and then re-install it in the WinXP PC.



Macrium is backup software to creates backup sets to external media such as a USB

connected hard disk.



--

Dave

Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk

http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp


Ok, I've got it now, whew!(smiles)My only concern is that the product kit may not be available at the time of purchase.

Shouldn't I now think about a dedicated HD backup? During my test checkout's with the Dell 8500 it shows a Western Digital 2TB My Book Live Personal Cloud External Drive for $159.00. Is this the same thing as a dedicated backup? If so, then I could I still use Macrium software? Or do you have other recommendations for an external HD for a dedicated backup ?

Thanks so much,
Robert
 
M

magineer02

You concern is overboard as I stated "Don't worry. There are multiple

manufacturers available from different

sources." They are easy to find.



I think the dedicated hard disk can wait until AFTER you have the actual

computer an d when you get the external hard disk, you obtain Macrium.



A backup is what you make of it. Any RandomRead/RandomWrite device can be

made into a "dedicated backup device". It is just a matter oin ehow YOU use

it.



--

Dave

Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk

http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp



OK, I think what I'll do is take your advice and wait until I get the computer and the transfer kit. Then install the Magic Shell? I can always post again at that time if I need help.

Thanks,
Robert
 
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Paul

OK, I think what I'll do is take your advice and wait until I get the computer and the transfer kit. Then install the Magic Shell? I can always post again at that time if I need help.

Thanks,
Robert

If you're headed to Windows 8, you can flip through this book a bit.
It's a PDF and you can download it and read it in Acrobat Reader.

https://marketing.dell.com/Global/FileLib/Windows_8/windows-8-ebook.pdf

And if you'd drunk the Koolaid, Dell sells one LCD monitor that supports
touch. So if you want to move those Windows 8 tiles around like the
"Big Boys" (Bill Gates), they make a ten point multi-touch monitor
just for you. Only $699.00.

23 inch diagonal, 1920 * 1080.
http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-9517

Initially, I thought they didn't have any, but one showed up.

Paul
 
M

magineer02

If you're headed to Windows 8, you can flip through this book a bit.

It's a PDF and you can download it and read it in Acrobat Reader.



https://marketing.dell.com/Global/FileLib/Windows_8/windows-8-ebook.pdf



And if you'd drunk the Koolaid, Dell sells one LCD monitor that supports

touch. So if you want to move those Windows 8 tiles around like the

"Big Boys" (Bill Gates), they make a ten point multi-touch monitor

just for you. Only $699.00.



23 inch diagonal, 1920 * 1080.

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=320-9517



Initially, I thought they didn't have any, but one showed up.



Paul



I appreciate all your help and the links Paul.

Thanks,
Robert
 

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