Norton Internet Security 2005

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E. Fridman

Hi,

I use Norton Internet Security 2003.

In 2004 I opted not to upgrade to NIS 2004 but just to renew the
subscription. There seemed to be a consensus that 2004 version was
less reliable.

Now, in 2005, I have the same dilemma: upgrade or renewal? While I
understand that a lot of folks here are in favor of dropping Symantec
altogether, let's keep this option out (at least for now).

Those who either got or upgraded to NIS 2005, what is your opinion
about the product? Any known issues and/or incompatibilities?

TIA, Eugene
 
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Ian Kenefick

Hi,

I use Norton Internet Security 2003.

In 2004 I opted not to upgrade to NIS 2004 but just to renew the
subscription. There seemed to be a consensus that 2004 version was
less reliable.

Now, in 2005, I have the same dilemma: upgrade or renewal? While I
understand that a lot of folks here are in favor of dropping Symantec
altogether, let's keep this option out (at least for now).

Those who either got or upgraded to NIS 2005, what is your opinion
about the product? Any known issues and/or incompatibilities?

TIA, Eugene
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Why don't you look at other solutions. If you like the all in one
solution then look at bitdefender.com for BitDefender 8 professional
or f-secure.com for F-Secure internet security 2005. Personall the
best solutions are a combination of best of breed applications from
different vendors. I have Nod32 from www.nod32.com and Kerio Personal
Firewall 4 from www.kerio.com . I also use Sygate Personal Firewall
Professional on another machine with Nod32.

Symantec doesn't get any better with age :=)
 
A

Andrew Rossmann

[This followup was posted to comp.security.firewalls and a copy was sent
to the cited author.]

I use Norton Internet Security 2003.

In 2004 I opted not to upgrade to NIS 2004 but just to renew the
subscription. There seemed to be a consensus that 2004 version was
less reliable.

Now, in 2005, I have the same dilemma: upgrade or renewal? While I
understand that a lot of folks here are in favor of dropping Symantec
altogether, let's keep this option out (at least for now).

Those who either got or upgraded to NIS 2005, what is your opinion
about the product? Any known issues and/or incompatibilities?
Click to expand...

If you don't mind the inconvenience of reconfiguring: cheat. Uninstall
NIS, then re-install it. This will reset the subscription to your
install date + 1 year.

Otherwise, on my parent's computers, I've been using Zone Alarm (free
version) and Grisoft Free AVG for AntiVirus
 
E

Eugene F.

Andrew,

<<< If you don't mind the inconvenience of reconfiguring: cheat.
Uninstall NIS, then re-install it. This will reset the subscription to
your install date + 1 year. >>>

The price of renewal is not cost prohibitive for me. I don't mind
paying for the version upgrade either as long as I'm not getting less
stable incarnation.
 
G

Gary S. Terhune

I'm a "Norton basher", but I can honestly suggest that NIS 2005 will be
a *worse* problem for Win9x users than even NIS 2004. I much prefer EZ
Armor, from ETrust (aka Computer Associates.) See the "Security" article
in my sig.
 
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Eugene F.

Gary,

<<< I can honestly suggest that NIS 2005 will be a *worse* problem for
Win9x users than even NIS 2004 >>>

Is it a hunch or do you have solid reasons for your suggestion? (I'm
not implying that your hunch isn't good enough.)
 
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Juan C. Reyes

A while ago, I upgraded from Norton AV 2002 to NIS2005. Be aware that
NIS2005 is a huge resource hog. Yes, it works, but again, slows the system
down dramatically. It also installs itself all over the place, so I went to
uninstall it (to try to reinstall - per Symantec's suggestion for 'fixing' a
live update problem), it really hose up my system.

In the end, the system really slowed down after the reinstall....so, I
reformatted the HDD and reinstalled Windows/etc. I chose a different
AV/Firewall solution.

Juan
| Hi,
|
| I use Norton Internet Security 2003.
|
| In 2004 I opted not to upgrade to NIS 2004 but just to renew the
| subscription. There seemed to be a consensus that 2004 version was
| less reliable.
|
| Now, in 2005, I have the same dilemma: upgrade or renewal? While I
| understand that a lot of folks here are in favor of dropping Symantec
| altogether, let's keep this option out (at least for now).
|
| Those who either got or upgraded to NIS 2005, what is your opinion
| about the product? Any known issues and/or incompatibilities?
|
| TIA, Eugene
|
 
E

Eugene F.

Juan,

Thank you for sharing your experience.

<<< A while ago, I upgraded from Norton AV 2002 to NIS2005. Be aware
that
NIS2005 is a huge resource hog >>>

I understand that when you're moving from AV only to full NIS package
(Firewall, Parental Controls, etc.) the bloat increases.

My question is whether NIS 2005 hogs more resources than its 2003
counterpart does.
 
J

Juan C. Reyes

I can say that NIS2005 hogs significantly more resources than other lesser
known 2005 suites. Not sure about Symantec's 2003 vs. 2005 versions.

| Juan,
|
| Thank you for sharing your experience.
|
| <<< A while ago, I upgraded from Norton AV 2002 to NIS2005. Be aware
| that
| NIS2005 is a huge resource hog >>>
|
| I understand that when you're moving from AV only to full NIS package
| (Firewall, Parental Controls, etc.) the bloat increases.
|
| My question is whether NIS 2005 hogs more resources than its 2003
| counterpart does.
|
 
J

jonah

Hi,

I use Norton Internet Security 2003.

In 2004 I opted not to upgrade to NIS 2004 but just to renew the
subscription. There seemed to be a consensus that 2004 version was
less reliable.

Now, in 2005, I have the same dilemma: upgrade or renewal? While I
understand that a lot of folks here are in favor of dropping Symantec
altogether, let's keep this option out (at least for now).

Those who either got or upgraded to NIS 2005, what is your opinion
about the product? Any known issues and/or incompatibilities?

TIA, Eugene
Click to expand...

I used NIS 2003 for several years very happily. Easy to use - no
problems - good software - bit resource hungry but I had oodles of
resources to spare so what.

I ignored all warnings and advice to leave NIS2004 /2005 well alone
and I upgraded to NIS 2005.

TOTAL DISASTER

Numerous problems, loss of a lot of data, froze up my entire home and
work networks and took me weeks to get out of. Would not update, would
not uninstall or re-install, would not allow NIS 2003 to re-install.
It caused me a lot of problems both stress and finance related.

Help desk was total rubbish, amounting to uninstall / re-install
writen 20,000 different ways to look like real help. I had to use an
old backup to get out of trouble in the end.

I am not the only one by a long way, I understand your position Norton
2003 works now and you are happy and you don't want the aggravation
involved in changing to unfamiliar security solutions, in fact given a
choice you would stay with 2003 but it is out of date and you know you
should upgrade, I was the same I should have listened and learnt from
others experience.

I cannot give you an opinion I never got it to run properly. Looked
fine on installation until I started to use the machine when it all
went pear shaped. As it happens I have not seen it running anywhere
yet, seen an awful lot of NIS problems posted here though.

After my experience with NIS 2005 I tried to get my money back - fat
chance.

But hey don't let me put you off, install it please and let the group
know if you have any trouble.

Jonah
 
I

Ian Kenefick

Hi,

I use Norton Internet Security 2003.

In 2004 I opted not to upgrade to NIS 2004 but just to renew the
subscription. There seemed to be a consensus that 2004 version was
less reliable.

Now, in 2005, I have the same dilemma: upgrade or renewal? While I
understand that a lot of folks here are in favor of dropping Symantec
altogether, let's keep this option out (at least for now).

Those who either got or upgraded to NIS 2005, what is your opinion
about the product? Any known issues and/or incompatibilities?

TIA, Eugene
Click to expand...

I used NIS 2003 for several years very happily. Easy to use - no
problems - good software - bit resource hungry but I had oodles of
resources to spare so what.

I ignored all warnings and advice to leave NIS2004 /2005 well alone
and I upgraded to NIS 2005.

TOTAL DISASTER

Numerous problems, loss of a lot of data, froze up my entire home and
work networks and took me weeks to get out of. Would not update, would
not uninstall or re-install, would not allow NIS 2003 to re-install.
It caused me a lot of problems both stress and finance related.

Help desk was total rubbish, amounting to uninstall / re-install
writen 20,000 different ways to look like real help. I had to use an
old backup to get out of trouble in the end.

I am not the only one by a long way, I understand your position Norton
2003 works now and you are happy and you don't want the aggravation
involved in changing to unfamiliar security solutions, in fact given a
choice you would stay with 2003 but it is out of date and you know you
should upgrade, I was the same I should have listened and learnt from
others experience.

I cannot give you an opinion I never got it to run properly. Looked
fine on installation until I started to use the machine when it all
went pear shaped. As it happens I have not seen it running anywhere
yet, seen an awful lot of NIS problems posted here though.

After my experience with NIS 2005 I tried to get my money back - fat
chance.

But hey don't let me put you off, install it please and let the group
know if you have any trouble.

Jonah


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Have you used Symantec's tools to remove Norton. I have a list of them
on my website. For future notice that is.

http://www.ik-cs.com/post-disinfection-repairs.htm#4._Uninstalling_corrupted_antivirus_software_

Regards,
Ian Kenefick
http://antivirus.ik-cs.com
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Brian A.

NIS2005 can be/is very problematic to 98/SE machines. I believe that many who
continue to use Symantec, updating each year, never update any system elements
such as their processor, RAM and/or HD size. I currently use NIS2005 in a 98SE
self-built machine, Celeron 500Mhz, 512MB RAM and 2 160GB HD's. At present I
have no problems and never have with that machine and Symantec products,
although now it is used as a secondary machine.

You asked another poster in this thread if there is any significant difference
between NIS03-05 in resources, the short and simple answer is YES. NIS05 has
added 2 new categories I can think of right now, spam control and outbreak
warnings. It's up to you to try it if you wish, but I would suggest at the very
most the Trial version first to see if you have issues. I would also suggest
that you use a registry monitoring program to take a snapshot of before/after
installing NIS05 so you can do a thorough cleanup if warranted. The best
suggestion is to use an imaging application such as Norton Ghost to create an
image before installing, then if all goes haywire you can restore the image to
before the install.

--

Brian A. Sesko
<>MS MVP<>Shell/User<>
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
 
E

E. Fridman

Brian,

Thank you very much for the reply.

<<< I believe that many who continue to use Symantec, updating each
year, never update any system elements such as their processor, RAM
and/or HD size. >>>

I'm adding 256Mb of RAM to the original 128Mb and swapping CD-ROM for
DVD-R drive, but plan no processor and/or HD upgrades.

<<< NIS05 has added 2 new categories I can think of right now, spam
control and outbreak warnings. >>>

I'm not interested in their Spam Control. Never heard of Outbreak
Warnings, however. What is it about?
 
B

Brian A.

E. Fridman said:
Brian,

Thank you very much for the reply.
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You're welcome.

<<< I believe that many who continue to use Symantec, updating each
year, never update any system elements such as their processor, RAM
and/or HD size. >>>

I'm adding 256Mb of RAM to the original 128Mb and swapping CD-ROM for
DVD-R drive, but plan no processor and/or HD upgrades.
Click to expand...

That's all fine and dandy, yet with the amount of bloat added by NIS/NAV each
year IMO they understate their sys requirements which appear never to change.
One has to question that!

<<< NIS05 has added 2 new categories I can think of right now, spam
control and outbreak warnings. >>>

I'm not interested in their Spam Control. Never heard of Outbreak
Warnings, however. What is it about?
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Even though you're not interested in Spam Control, it gets installed. It doesn't
matter that you can disable it in NIS, the extra bloat is already in place.

I realize I mentioned outbreak warnings while it is really named Outbreak Alert.
As per the manual on OA:
"Notifies you of security threats affecting internet users worldwide and
recommends actions to ensure that you are protected"


--

Brian A. Sesko
<>MS MVP<>Shell/User<>
Conflicts start where information lacks.
http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
 
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Ian Kenefick

stop updating symantec. Go to http://www.isagency.net and secure your
pc and home with the finest security products and services. The
Internet Security Agency provides all on security matters.
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You will have to excuse my lack of tolerance for spamming but I have
to say that your website doesn't provide any such security services.
My toilet bowl provides more service than your website.

Regards,
Ian Kenefick
http://antivirus.ik-cs.com
 
J

jonah

On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 01:29:16 +0100, Ian Kenefick

snip
Have you used Symantec's tools to remove Norton. I have a list of them
on my website. For future notice that is.

http://www.ik-cs.com/post-disinfection-repairs.htm#4._Uninstalling_corrupted_antivirus_software_

Regards,
Ian Kenefick
http://antivirus.ik-cs.com
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Yeah Ian I have got it out mostly but I have am still on Personal
Firewall 2003 which I will replace with Kerio when I have ironed out
the bugs on my evaluation copy which I have running on a laptop at
present. I want to make sure I know what I am doing with Kerio before
I put it on the work network, we use some odd custom software mostly
MS Access 2000 stuff.


I will use the tools when I upgrade the main machines to Kerio to
ensure it is all removed.
 

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