Norton and McAfee - Am at a Crossroad

[Leythos]

I'm not the one recommending someone buy 2 more licenses than they need
at an exorbinant price in order to protect their 3 PCs from viruses.

Why won't you answer the question - What AV software are you running on
your machine?

 

[R. McCarty]

Most home users are ill-informed on AV software. As long as OEMs
include one, users will stay with it. Besides that if you look at software
in Best Buy, CompUSA - McAfee and Symantec have the largest shelf
content. Once users pick or have a AV product, they either stick with it
or simply ignore the Renewal warnings. Just take note of how many unhappy
customers come here seeking advice on an alternative. I'm not disputing
that Symantec Enterprise is probably much better than retail. Vendors can't
get away with the "junk" for the Enterprise because those users are very
savvy with testing for performance and effectiveness. If anything the fact
that Symantec Enterprise is so much better makes them look even more
inept with what they market to the home user. I suspect they work off the
assumption that nobody is checking. That attitude will eventually catch up
with them. In that regard, the McAfee people are ahead of Symantec. I
test and monitor each of their AVs and it seems like McAfee is aware of
their issues and making a good faith effort to reform. Norton just keeps
on being Norton. The biggest mistake with software is after getting used
to or comfortable with a vendor, you don't take time to research all the
other similar products available.

 

[kurttrail]

Why won't you answer the question - What AV software are you running
on your machine?

Depends on which installation. But that isn't the point. First you
sing the merits of Sym Corp, which would cost the OP $1000 for 10
licenses when the OP would need only 3. Then you change your mind and
switch to Sym SB, for $421 for 5 license, when the OP only needs three.

Are you a salesman for Symancrap, or are you just some traveling a**hole
trying to get people to spend money that they really don't need to
spend?

There are some very good Free alternatives, and there are some good
pay-for alternatives that are much cheaper than your Symancrap.

For 3 computers, there is no way in hell that anyone should pay
$421-$1000 for a AV program unless it gives you an orgasm on demand too!

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[kurttrail]

Most home users are ill-informed on AV software. As long as OEMs
include one, users will stay with it. Besides that if you look at
software in Best Buy, CompUSA - McAfee and Symantec have the largest
shelf content. Once users pick or have a AV product, they either stick
with
it or simply ignore the Renewal warnings. Just take note of how many
unhappy customers come here seeking advice on an alternative. I'm not
disputing that Symantec Enterprise is probably much better than
retail. Vendors can't get away with the "junk" for the Enterprise
because those users are very savvy with testing for performance and
effectiveness. If anything the fact that Symantec Enterprise is so
much better makes them look even more inept with what they market to
the home user. I suspect they work off
the assumption that nobody is checking. That attitude will eventually
catch up with them. In that regard, the McAfee people are ahead of
Symantec. I test and monitor each of their AVs and it seems like
McAfee is aware
of their issues and making a good faith effort to reform. Norton just
keeps on being Norton. The biggest mistake with software is after
getting used to or comfortable with a vendor, you don't take time to
research all the other similar products available.

Haven't use McAfee since the mid 90s so I wouldn't know about it. I
have used Symancrap more recently, and I wouldn't touch their stuff with
a ten-foot pole, even their better business software, as it is way too
expensive for a mere AV utility.

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[Leythos]

Depends on which installation. But that isn't the point. First you
sing the merits of Sym Corp, which would cost the OP $1000 for 10
licenses when the OP would need only 3. Then you change your mind and
switch to Sym SB, for $421 for 5 license, when the OP only needs three.

I didn't change my mind and I'm not afraid to tell someone about a
product I use. It was an honest mistake to mention the Corp version
instead of the SB version as we have both at many locations and they
have the same interface and same engine.

Are you a salesman for Symancrap, or are you just some traveling a**hole
trying to get people to spend money that they really don't need to
spend?

I'm not a VAR or rep of any company, but I'm also not afraid to talk
about products that I have direct experience with and I'm not afraid to
admit using them.

There are some very good Free alternatives, and there are some good
pay-for alternatives that are much cheaper than your Symancrap.

You've not mentioned what you use, so, either you're not using a Free
app that you trust or there must be some other anterior motivation for
not mentioning it - so, what are you afraid of - post the products you
use on your PERSONAL computers.

For 3 computers, there is no way in hell that anyone should pay
$421-$1000 for a AV program unless it gives you an orgasm on demand too!

I agree, no-one should HAVE to pay that much, but, sometimes the value
of the protected data/system is more than the cost of the protection
method and it's worth the cost - something you fail to see.

So, what AV software are you using?

 

[Leythos]

Haven't use McAfee since the mid 90s so I wouldn't know about it. I
have used Symancrap more recently, and I wouldn't touch their stuff with
a ten-foot pole, even their better business software, as it is way too
expensive for a mere AV utility.

So why won't you tell us what you are using on your own computers?

 

[kurttrail]

I didn't change my mind and I'm not afraid to tell someone about a
product I use. It was an honest mistake to mention the Corp version
instead of the SB version as we have both at many locations and they
have the same interface and same engine.


I'm not a VAR or rep of any company, but I'm also not afraid to talk
about products that I have direct experience with and I'm not afraid
to admit using them.


You've not mentioned what you use, so, either you're not using a Free
app that you trust or there must be some other anterior motivation for
not mentioning it - so, what are you afraid of - post the products you
use on your PERSONAL computers.


I agree, no-one should HAVE to pay that much, but, sometimes the value
of the protected data/system is more than the cost of the protection
method and it's worth the cost - something you fail to see.

So, what AV software are you using?

None of your effin' business! Part of my common sense security is no
broadcasting my security utilities to the whole effin' net.

And advocating a product over and over again could be considered spam,
especially since this isn't a Symantec group, LameSpamBoy!

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[kurttrail]

So why won't you tell us what you are using on your own computers?

Why should I? That would not make common sense, broadcasting my
security setup up to the whole effin' net.

Free utilities that are very good are Avast, and AVG.

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[Leythos]

None of your effin' business! Part of my common sense security is no
broadcasting my security utilities to the whole effin' net.

So you advocate people not use Pay-For products as Free ones are just as
good, but, you are unwilling to tell us what you use?

Seems like you have something to hide - seems like only one with foot-
in-mouth would have something to hide.

I'm betting that you made that statement about Free being just as good
and then got caught with the fact that you are running a Pay-For
product.

 

[Leythos]

Why should I? That would not make common sense, broadcasting my
security setup up to the whole effin' net.

Free utilities that are very good are Avast, and AVG.

You say that people should not pay for AV software, that they should use
Free versions to protect their machines - and you slam people to
suggesting people use Pay-For AV solutions..... When asked what AV
solution you use, since there is no threat in telling us, you hide from
the question - which seems to indicate that you don't believe in your
own statements and are using a Pay-For solution.

 

[kurttrail]

So you advocate people not use Pay-For products as Free ones are just
as good, but, you are unwilling to tell us what you use?

What part of "Part of my common sense security is no(t) broadcasting my
security utilities to the whole effin' net" did you not understand,
Lameboy?

Seems like you have something to hide - seems like only one with foot-
in-mouth would have something to hide.

LOL! It is a matter of my computer security. You are the one with foot
in mouth disease, since it was you that confused Sym Corp with Sym SB.
That you are advocating the purchasing of more licenses than the OP
needs.

I'm betting that you made that statement about Free being just as good
and then got caught with the fact that you are running a Pay-For
product.

So what? And how do you know I run any AV, paid-for or free?

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[kurttrail]

You say that people should not pay for AV software, that they should
use Free versions to protect their machines - and you slam people to
suggesting people use Pay-For AV solutions.....

Wrong. I only slammed you for your over-priced, too many licenses than
needed solution.

But nice try trying to redefine what I have said. Typical of a
rightard, like you.

When asked what AV
solution you use, since there is no threat in telling us,

Says you! I think it only common sense not to broadcast my personal
computer security arrangements.

Remember the OP wasn't even asking for AV solutions other than NAV and
McAffee, neither of which are free. I was just pointing out the flaw in
you recommendation of Sym Corp, which you later changed into Sym SB, the
cost, and the purchase of too many licenses with either product.

you hide
from the question -

Not only is not broadcasting my AV program a matter of common sense, it
would also be off-topic.

which seems to indicate that you don't believe in
your own statements and are using a Pay-For solution.

How do you know I use any AV at all? Maybe I just do free online scans
occasionally, for all you know. This thread isn't about me, but the OP.
He asked about the NAV vs. McAffee. You answered with the merits of a
totally different Symantec product, Sym Corp. Too effin' expensive,
requiring the purchase of too many licenses.

This thread isn't about me and what I use, no matter how much YOU want
to change the topic to hide your insanity for all things Symantec!

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[Leythos]

So what? And how do you know I run any AV, paid-for or free?

The real issue is that you spout off about how Paid is bad and Free is
good, but you won't back it up by telling us what you run on your system
- seems like you have something to hide (and it's not for security
reasons).

 

[Leythos]

You answered with the merits of a
totally different Symantec product, Sym Corp. Too effin' expensive,
requiring the purchase of too many licenses.

You're wrong, the product stands as a Quality (as tested) solution for
AV issues, cost is relative to the need to protect. Not everyone posting
here has just 1 computer and not everyone is interested in products that
you can't back with your own experience.

The SB and Corp versions have the same engine, it's small and fast and
provides a great level of protection. Cost, again, is relative to ones
view on protection vs loss. While Free may be what you value your data
at, others may not, and at least I'm not recommending something that
I've not personally used.

So, if you are going to recommend a Free firewall for the masses, it
would only make sense that you trust it enough to run on your own
computers, that or you're talking out you a$$ again.

 

[kurttrail]

The real issue is that you spout off about how Paid is bad and Free is
good,

Wrong again, Lamegirl! The topic is what the OP asked, NAV vs. McAfee.

But you had to change the topic to Sym Corp, which the OP wasn't asking
about, and then you changed that to Sym SB, which you are now trying to
change into what I use, which is totally off-topic, since I use neither
NAV or McAfee.

but you won't back it up by telling us what you run on your
system - seems like you have something to hide (and it's not for
security reasons).

Says you. I say differently. And I know my reasons more than you ever
will.

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[kurttrail]

You're wrong, the product stands as a Quality (as tested) solution for
AV issues, cost is relative to the need to protect. Not everyone
posting here has just 1 computer and not everyone is interested in
products that you can't back with your own experience.

The SB and Corp versions have the same engine, it's small and fast and
provides a great level of protection. Cost, again, is relative to ones
view on protection vs loss. While Free may be what you value your data
at, others may not, and at least I'm not recommending something that
I've not personally used.

So, if you are going to recommend a Free firewall for the masses, it
would only make sense that you trust it enough to run on your own
computers, that or you're talking out you a$$ again.

LOL! Had to snip out almost everything I wrote and answer very narrowly
to a couple of sentences I wrote, and you had to take those sentences
totally out of the context they were written.

Anyone with a half a brain can plainly see that you are down for the
count, and continuing any off-topic argument with you is just a waste of
time.

Too bad you can't answer the OP about what he asked, NAV (not SymCorp
or SB) vs. McAfee!

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[Leythos]

Wrong again, Lamegirl! The topic is what the OP asked, NAV vs. McAfee.

But you had to change the topic to Sym Corp, which the OP wasn't asking
about, and then you changed that to Sym SB, which you are now trying to
change into what I use, which is totally off-topic, since I use neither
NAV or McAfee

Then why did you reply with a free AV solution comment? If you want me
to say specifically on topic to the n'th degree, then you need to also
or you're just full of it again.

Says you. I say differently. And I know my reasons more than you ever
will.

One that is unable to back up a statement should not be making it - you
claimed that Free was better/as good, but you can't prove it (and
neither do the tests) by showing that you use the Free products you
claim are better.

 

[Leythos]

Too bad you can't answer the OP about what he asked, NAV (not SymCorp
or SB) vs. McAfee!

I did answer it - but you made a statement about Free being better and
can't back it up with anything.

 

[kurttrail]

Then why did you reply with a free AV solution comment?

Because it is a better solution for a Home User than being forced to buy
more licenses than needed with SymCorp and Sym SB, plus you don't need
to pay for updates. I was responding to you going off-topic, and
disputing it.

If you want me
to say specifically on topic to the n'th degree, then you need to also
or you're just full of it again.

LOL! I'm full of it for following you off-topic. But at least I'm not
suggesting that the OP buy more licenses than he needs, not am I
answering him with totally off-topic, unasked-for Bullsh*t like you!

One that is unable to back up a statement should not be making it -
you claimed that Free was better/as good,

No I didn't. I said free was better than being force to buy more
licenses than is needed. But keep on trying to spin what I said! You
are only making yourself look more and more foolish!

but you can't prove it (and
neither do the tests) by showing that you use the Free products you
claim are better.

ROFL! Twist and Spin and do it all over again! Keep going LameGirl! I
love to watch you dance!

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[kurttrail]

I did answer it - but you made a statement about Free being better and
can't back it up with anything.

So SymCorp and SB or the same product as NAV? ROFL! Keep up the
dancing, LameGirl!

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