Norton 360 vs Live OneCare

[Mac]

I am considering Norton 360. I have now LiveOneCare (which my trial ends in
30 days..)

Any thoughts if Norton is better. My esperience in the past with Norton
products is that Nortons provide very good protection and utilities, but
they tend to be very large program, and make PC slugish... Norton 360 is
double the cost of LiveOne Care....

Thanks,
mac

 

[Malke]

I am considering Norton 360. I have now LiveOneCare (which my trial
ends in 30 days..)

Any thoughts if Norton is better. My esperience in the past with Norton
products is that Nortons provide very good protection and utilities, but
they tend to be very large program, and make PC slugish... Norton 360
is double the cost of LiveOne Care....

Thanks,
mac

Both those products are awful and neither is recommended. Recommended
for antivirus protection: NOD32, Kaspersky, or Avast if you want free.
The Windows Firewall meets our needs here and will for most people. I
haven't tried a third-party firewall on Vista so I don't have a
recommendation for you there.


Malke

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Seconded..

Both those products are awful and neither is recommended. Recommended for
antivirus protection: NOD32, Kaspersky, or Avast if you want free. The
Windows Firewall meets our needs here and will for most people. I haven't
tried a third-party firewall on Vista so I don't have a recommendation for
you there.


Malke
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Mike Hall
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[xfile]

I can't really comment on MS's products but I look

at is this way: They can't even secure the OS so I certainly don't feel
comfortable using their security products. And also the fact they are
charging for problems that shouldn't exist in the first place just blows
me
away.

Needless to say - conflict of interests.

So I'd consider anyone except from this company.

 

[...winston]

N360 works better than Live One Care. In Vista(ensure if N360 it is the designed for Vista version). If buying retail, check the box... A higher learning curve than most for configuring the included firewall but significantly easier than Vista's Windows Firewall. The N360 included NAV operates much similar to earlier versions in configuration and update. The footprint for N360 is significantly smaller than prior full version Symantec security products.

Prior versions of Symantec products do not function as well in Vista and in many cases for some in XP. That experience is usually the foundation for a variety of negative comments on Norton products. It would also be hard to believe that *almost* anyone voicing concern based on a prior Norton product has actually installed and used N360 in a Vista environment.

Live One Care historically is in the bottom of the list with respect to success and prevention, though one's surfing, file sharing, and email habits contribute to the success or lack of for any security program.

For Vista....free versions Avast and AVG are the choice of many. Fee based versions most would suggest Kaspersky, BitDefender, NOD32.

I've N360 and Kaspersky separately running on two Vista Ultimate retail RTM installs and use Avast on a dual boot XP/Vista Pre-RTM Ultimate installation.

Imo, if new to Vista choose AVast and get comfortable with Vista, if you need something more capable or have a desire to play a greater role in managing the security options then move up to the fee-based versions.

Good luck.
..winston


:I am considering Norton 360. I have now LiveOneCare (which my trial ends in
: 30 days..)
:
: Any thoughts if Norton is better. My esperience in the past with Norton
: products is that Nortons provide very good protection and utilities, but
: they tend to be very large program, and make PC slugish... Norton 360 is
: double the cost of LiveOne Care....
:
: Thanks,
: mac
:

 

[GO]

Thirded. Norton's crap. I can't really comment on MS's products but I look
at is this way: They can't even secure the OS so I certainly don't feel
comfortable using their security products. And also the fact they are
charging for problems that shouldn't exist in the first place just blows me
away.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

I am considering Norton 360. I have now LiveOneCare (which my trial ends in
30 days..)

Any thoughts if Norton is better. My esperience in the past with Norton
products is that Nortons provide very good protection and utilities, but
they tend to be very large program, and make PC slugish... Norton 360 is
double the cost of LiveOne Care....

My view is that *anything* Norton is the worst possible choice. There
are lots of other freeware security products that are much better.

 

[Kevin Young]

Both those products are awful and neither is recommended. Recommended for
antivirus protection: NOD32, Kaspersky, or Avast if you want free. The
Windows Firewall meets our needs here and will for most people. I haven't
tried a third-party firewall on Vista so I don't have a recommendation for
you there.

Nod32 has a 30 day free trial if you would like to try it out.

http://eset.com/

 

[NotMe]

LiveOneCare is inadequete IMHO.
On the hundred or so machines I maintain, I have tried Avast, AVG, Clamwin
and NOD32.
Each has it's good points, and all seem to provide decent protection.
I wouldn't let anything from Norton on my network!
When I go out to repair people's machines, I see more problems caused by
Norton than any other company... besides MS! LOL

 

[Lang Murphy]

I am considering Norton 360. I have now LiveOneCare (which my trial ends
in 30 days..)

Any thoughts if Norton is better. My esperience in the past with Norton
products is that Nortons provide very good protection and utilities, but
they tend to be very large program, and make PC slugish... Norton 360 is
double the cost of LiveOne Care....

Thanks,
mac

I'll echo most everyone else's response: stay the f**k away from Norton.
Can't speak to LiveOneCare. I've been using Avast for months and am pretty
impressed. There are plenty of other good/great AV programs out there. Just
stay away from Norton.

Lang

 

[Jume]

well you are all bashing live onecare, but it is not that bad in reality

since those (in)famous tests it got a bit better in terms of detection and
prevention, it is still a bit worse than other big suites though right now
is for certain that it is not crap
however, it has a plus well worth considering : between all the suites out
there, it is BY FAR the one that will NOT trash your system, or better said,
it will be the one that will trash your system by the fewer amount, of
course is up to you to believe it or not, anyways, probably ill be flamed
for posting this and blah blah blah

 

[David A. Spicer]

No flame here. I've been a happy OneCare user (3 computers) since February.

 

[GeraldF]

well you are all bashing live onecare, but it is not that bad in reality

since those (in)famous tests it got a bit better in terms of detection and
prevention, it is still a bit worse than other big suites though right now
is for certain that it is not crap
however, it has a plus well worth considering : between all the suites out
there, it is BY FAR the one that will NOT trash your system, or better said,
it will be the one that will trash your system by the fewer amount, of
course is up to you to believe it or not, anyways, probably ill be flamed
for posting this and blah blah blah

No flame...you are right on. There is not doubt that it
does not trash the system, and that it will continue to
improve.

 

[xfile]

Well, here is a real bash:

This is where unfair competition real starts:

(1) It knows every line of source codes for the operating system as
partially opened for its competitors;

(2) It knows when OS updates will come up and what exactly will be fixed (or
not) ahead of any other competitors;

(3) It collects error reports from every user sent from every corner of the
world for what has been going wrong;

(4) It now periodically and constantly collects system information from
every system installed with Vista without going through user's permission.

Every piece of the above information could be used for developing security
products against those competitors without such priviliges.

Technologies aside, this is what we call unfair competition and it should
not get into the security software business in the first place.

I don't usually recommend people to use or not to use any specific product,
but for this particular case, Live OneCare doesn't even deserve to be
considered.

I urge people not to use Live OneCare and use whatever other free or paid
alternatives to maintain a healthy ecosystem.

This is a real bash!

 

[phypps]

I have to agree.
I would say that most Norton Bashers are basing their comments on previous
versions (upto and including 2007), and in truth not unreasonably so.
However they are letting their prejudice get in the way of objective
opinion.
360 is much leaner and meaner. I suspect that its smaller footprint on
system resources is as much due to the improved way that Vista deals with
such matters, and it being specifically written to do so.
Personally I find that 360 has absolutely minimal impact on my system
compared to 2007 (which was a pain in the backside)
I am not saying that 360 is perfect, but at least give more credence to
people who actually have used it rather than those who would set fire to
anything with the word Norton on it.

Whilst I have not tried Kapersky, my reasearch as to whether to ditch Norton
(before I gave them another chance with 360) would lead me to believe that
this is an excellent alternative.

Phypps


N360 works better than Live One Care. In Vista(ensure if N360 it is the
designed for Vista version). If buying retail, check the box... A higher
learning curve than most for configuring the included firewall but
significantly easier than Vista's Windows Firewall. The N360 included NAV
operates much similar to earlier versions in configuration and update. The
footprint for N360 is significantly smaller than prior full version Symantec
security products.

Prior versions of Symantec products do not function as well in Vista and in
many cases for some in XP. That experience is usually the foundation for a
variety of negative comments on Norton products. It would also be hard to
believe that *almost* anyone voicing concern based on a prior Norton product
has actually installed and used N360 in a Vista environment.

Live One Care historically is in the bottom of the list with respect to
success and prevention, though one's surfing, file sharing, and email habits
contribute to the success or lack of for any security program.

For Vista....free versions Avast and AVG are the choice of many. Fee based
versions most would suggest Kaspersky, BitDefender, NOD32.

I've N360 and Kaspersky separately running on two Vista Ultimate retail RTM
installs and use Avast on a dual boot XP/Vista Pre-RTM Ultimate
installation.

Imo, if new to Vista choose AVast and get comfortable with Vista, if you
need something more capable or have a desire to play a greater role in
managing the security options then move up to the fee-based versions.

Good luck.
..winston


:I am considering Norton 360. I have now LiveOneCare (which my trial ends
in
: 30 days..)
:
: Any thoughts if Norton is better. My esperience in the past with Norton
: products is that Nortons provide very good protection and utilities, but
: they tend to be very large program, and make PC slugish... Norton 360 is
: double the cost of LiveOne Care....
:
: Thanks,
: mac
:

 

[GeraldF]

Technologies aside, this is what we call unfair
competition and it should not get into the security
software business in the first place.

While I agree that Microsoft has a clear advantage over
software competitors, and has used this advantage in the
past, I disagree that it has no business being involved
in security. Security of the operating system is an
utmost priority for any operating system developer, as
well as the Operating System user.

 

[GO]

While I agree that Microsoft has a clear advantage over
software competitors, and has used this advantage in the
past, I disagree that it has no business being involved
in security. Security of the operating system is an
utmost priority for any operating system developer, as
well as the Operating System user.

Of course security of the OS is a high priority, but having a virus and
malware scanner should be the last line of defense not the first line. MS
has made some very poor design decisions and have created the problems with
virus/malware we see today. MS has created a huge industry and now they are
benefitting from that by charging for their security products. MS charges
for the OS and then charges you some more just to keep you safe. MS's focus
should be on hardening the OS so these problems are (virtually) eliminated.

 

[xfile]

MS's focus should be on hardening the OS so these problems are (virtually)
Exactly, and should support and work with security products providers
instead of providing its own security products.

 

[StephenB]

Of course security of the OS is a high priority, but having a virus and
malware scanner should be the last line of defense not the first line. MS
has made some very poor design decisions and have created the problems with
virus/malware we see today. MS has created a huge industry and now they are
benefitting from that by charging for their security products. MS charges
for the OS and then charges you some more just to keep you safe. MS's focus
should be on hardening the OS so these problems are (virtually) eliminated.

Antivirus is not just to protect the operating system and files. Keep in mind
that the largest percentage of infections are caused by a user clicking on an
attachment or a downloaded file. No security holes were breached to infect the
PC when a user executes the malware. Protection by security software helps
prevent infection from social engineering.
OneCare packages this security for the user along with an interface to use tools
already in the OS - Windows Update, Defrag, Disk Cleanup - and adds a two way
managed firewall with an easy to use interface, and a backup utility that can be
scheduled.
Microsoft's work on OneCare (and Forefront for the Enterprise) does not take any
resources away from work to secure the operating system and software sold by
Microsoft. Microsoft continues to patch flaws as they are uncovered.
-steve

 

[xfile]

Antivirus is not just to protect the operating system and files. Keep in

mind
that the largest percentage of infections are caused by a user clicking on
an
attachment or a downloaded file. No security holes were breached to infect
the
PC when a user executes the malware. Protection by security software helps
prevent infection from social engineering.

Maybe I have comprehension problem, but anyone says anything related to
above?

OneCare packages this security for the user along with an interface to use
tools
already in the OS - Windows Update, Defrag, Disk Cleanup - and adds a two
way
managed firewall with an easy to use interface, and a backup utility that
can be
scheduled.

Promotion materials - keep it for yourself.

Microsoft's work on OneCare (and Forefront for the Enterprise) does not
take any
resources away from work to secure the operating system and software sold
by
Microsoft. Microsoft continues to patch flaws as they are uncovered.

Anyone says anything about Microsoft will take away resources and will not
continue to patch flaws?

So, your point is?