Norton 360 vs Live OneCare

[David A. Spicer]

I uninstalled Live OneCare and installed Norton360 to check it out. Here's
what I've found:

1. It's true it is not the resource hog normally associated with Norton
products.
2. It has a lot of very nice features
3. It runs pretty much completely silent in the background.
4. It doesn't seem to play nice with Windows Live Mail during email scanning
5. I get occasional Explorer lag, sometimes for up to a minute. As fate
would have it, I got a "Not Responding" while typing this message.

I'm going to play with it some more but I'll probably go back to OneCare.

 

[xfile]

1. It's true it is not the resource hog normally associated with Norton

products.

I read several reviews about it but haven't got a chance to try it.

Thanks for sharing and good luck!

 

[huwyngr]

As you'll see you'll here a lot of crap about Norton but both NIS 2007
and Norton 360 are much less invasive than earlier versions.

Norton 360 has a much more user-friendly interface which concentrates
on what do you want to do rather than this is what we can do. I approve
of this.

Norton 360 also includes a version of GHOST/DriveImage/Save & Restore
for backing up. It has a PC Tuneup that I'm happy to ignore.

There's a free 30 day trial of Norton 360 also so I'd try it and make
up your own mind.

 

[huwyngr]

most Norton Bashers are basing their comments on previous 
versions

360 is much leaner and meaner.

Personally I find that 360 has absolutely minimal impact on my system 
compared to 2007 (which was a pain in the backside)

Glad to have that confirmation although I would not entirely agree with
2007 versions which impacted much less than 2006 and earlier.

 

[huwyngr]

(1) It knows every line of source codes for the operating system as 
partially opened for its competitors;

One would like to think this would help Microsoft but ...... look at
what's still wrong with VISTA so I wonder .... <g>

 

[GO]

Antivirus is not just to protect the operating system and files. Keep
in mind that the largest percentage of infections are caused by a
user clicking on an attachment or a downloaded file. No security
holes were breached to infect the PC when a user executes the
malware. Protection by security software helps prevent infection from
social engineering.
OneCare packages this security for the user along with an interface
to use tools already in the OS - Windows Update, Defrag, Disk Cleanup
- and adds a two way managed firewall with an easy to use interface,
and a backup utility that can be scheduled.
Microsoft's work on OneCare (and Forefront for the Enterprise) does
not take any resources away from work to secure the operating system
and software sold by Microsoft. Microsoft continues to patch flaws as
they are uncovered. -steve

I never mentioned that antivirus software should not exist at all, there are
always going to be security concerns and said software is a nice extra layer
of protection. (As a side note, there are several other platforms available
that exist quite nicely without any need of antivirus software). But your
very example is exactly one of those poor design decisions I was referring
to. Yes, the user is at fault for opening an infected download but the fact
that default users have admin privledges opens the entire system to
infection. If the user was running on a limited account only their "user
space" would be affected, as would essentially be in a sandbox. (Another
side note, this is why I think UAC will ultimately fail)

 

[xfile]

LOL, in that case, I have no argument.

But at least they know where are those land mines.

 

[...winston]

Glad to see you tried it out..

Turn off N360 email scanning for both incoming and outgoing, its not necessary. Autoprotect is still functional when any message is opened or previewed or sent.

The above applies to any o/s(XP or Vista) and any email client. Other redundant email scans may be done by other third party malware tools and firewalls..those can be disable too.

..winston


:I uninstalled Live OneCare and installed Norton360 to check it out. Here's
: what I've found:
:
: 1. It's true it is not the resource hog normally associated with Norton
: products.
: 2. It has a lot of very nice features
: 3. It runs pretty much completely silent in the background.
: 4. It doesn't seem to play nice with Windows Live Mail during email scanning
: 5. I get occasional Explorer lag, sometimes for up to a minute. As fate
: would have it, I got a "Not Responding" while typing this message.
:
: I'm going to play with it some more but I'll probably go back to OneCare.
: ------------------
: If you can't love the Constitution, then at least hate the Government!
:
:
:
:
: : > well you are all bashing live onecare, but it is not that bad in reality
: >
: > since those (in)famous tests it got a bit better in terms of detection and
: > prevention, it is still a bit worse than other big suites though right now
: > is for certain that it is not crap
: > however, it has a plus well worth considering : between all the suites out
: > there, it is BY FAR the one that will NOT trash your system, or better
: > said, it will be the one that will trash your system by the fewer amount,
: > of course is up to you to believe it or not, anyways, probably ill be
: > flamed for posting this and blah blah blah
:

 

[StephenB]

Maybe I have comprehension problem, but anyone says anything related to
above?

My point was that there is no conflict of interest, in my opinion, with the
maker of the OS also marketing a security suite apart from "hardening the OS" as
was stated within the thread.

Promotion materials - keep it for yourself.

Maybe you can call it promotion materials, but I commented on the other features
of OneCare to point out that OneCare as a product is not just antivirus software
and why it is valid for Microsoft to offer this for sale.

Anyone says anything about Microsoft will take away resources and will not
continue to patch flaws?

Not specifically, but a statement was made that indicated that Microsoft should
not be developing and marketing OneCare, but should concentrate on "hardening
the OS."

So, your point is?

My point is that any efforts made by Microsoft with the OneCare product is not a
conflict of interests and that it does not take away from the responsibility
Microsoft has to patch security flaws in the OS and to improve the OS and other
Microsoft software to be less vulnerable to attack.

-steve

 

[StephenB]

I never mentioned that antivirus software should not exist at all, there are
always going to be security concerns and said software is a nice extra layer
of protection. (As a side note, there are several other platforms available
that exist quite nicely without any need of antivirus software). But your
very example is exactly one of those poor design decisions I was referring
to. Yes, the user is at fault for opening an infected download but the fact
that default users have admin privledges opens the entire system to
infection. If the user was running on a limited account only their "user
space" would be affected, as would essentially be in a sandbox. (Another
side note, this is why I think UAC will ultimately fail)

You're correct about limited user vs. administrator, of course, thanks for
pointing that out.
-steve

 

[xfile]

We all know Microsoft patches its software which is a good thing and
something a vendor has to do. I don't even think it should bear all the
blames for security issues. But going into security software business is a
differetn story.

Of course it won't be wrong for you or you won't be the forum's moderator in
the first place! I think most people won't say - I am so stupid so I joined
the country club.

I listed the facts and let people do their judgements. The conflict of
interest is more than clear to anyone else except to those associated with
the company, of course.

 

[StephenB]

We all know Microsoft patches its software which is a good thing and
something a vendor has to do. I don't even think it should bear all the
blames for security issues. But going into security software business is a
differetn story.

Of course it won't be wrong for you or you won't be the forum's moderator in
the first place! I think most people won't say - I am so stupid so I joined
the country club.

I listed the facts and let people do their judgements. The conflict of
interest is more than clear to anyone else except to those associated with
the company, of course.

Fair enough.
For the record, my association is that I volunteered to moderate the forum when
OneCare 1.0 was about to go live. I was beta testing OneCare before that. I
assume that my continued MVP status is due to my ongoing community involvement,
most of which is for OneCare. So, yes, I don't see a conflict of interest.
-steve

 

[GO]

You're correct about limited user vs. administrator, of course,
thanks for pointing that out.
-steve

I'm glad we at least agree on one thing But this is the very reason I
feel MS shouldn't be in the antivirus/malware game. By now providing
antivirus support they can sit back and ignore key problems with their OS.
They did take a stab at fixing things with UAC but I really do not think
it's going to fix any of the problems we see now. With the brains they have
at MS I would have thought they could come up with a better solution than
it. If I'm wrong I will gladly concede defeat.

 

[David A. Spicer]

That solved the lag, but caused a nag.
Back to OneCare.
------------------
A transistor protected by a fast-acting fuse will protect the fuse by
blowing first.




Glad to see you tried it out..

Turn off N360 email scanning for both incoming and outgoing, its not
necessary. Autoprotect is still functional when any message is opened or
previewed or sent.

The above applies to any o/s(XP or Vista) and any email client. Other
redundant email scans may be done by other third party malware tools and
firewalls..those can be disable too.

..winston


:I uninstalled Live OneCare and installed Norton360 to check it out. Here's
: what I've found:
:
: 1. It's true it is not the resource hog normally associated with Norton
: products.
: 2. It has a lot of very nice features
: 3. It runs pretty much completely silent in the background.
: 4. It doesn't seem to play nice with Windows Live Mail during email
scanning
: 5. I get occasional Explorer lag, sometimes for up to a minute. As fate
: would have it, I got a "Not Responding" while typing this message.
:
: I'm going to play with it some more but I'll probably go back to OneCare.
: ------------------
: If you can't love the Constitution, then at least hate the Government!
:
:
:
:
: : > well you are all bashing live onecare, but it is not that bad in reality
: >
: > since those (in)famous tests it got a bit better in terms of detection
and
: > prevention, it is still a bit worse than other big suites though right
now
: > is for certain that it is not crap
: > however, it has a plus well worth considering : between all the suites
out
: > there, it is BY FAR the one that will NOT trash your system, or better
: > said, it will be the one that will trash your system by the fewer
amount,
: > of course is up to you to believe it or not, anyways, probably ill be
: > flamed for posting this and blah blah blah
: