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[Ed]

Hello Ed

I just reviewed the entire thread. I couldn't help but notice that your
entire contribution to this discussion was to criticize the style of my
helpful reply.

That's interesting since _you_ didn't top-post. You quoted only the
parts of the original to which you had replies for and put your reply
below each part.

Do you have a guilty conscience or something?

Ed

 

[Ed]

Ed - 15.09.2005 08:21 :

[snipped]

It is best to bottom post to keep continutity in the thread. I hate it
when I have to scroll up and down to read what the top-poster is
replying to. The only thing worse is failing to quote at all.

agreed. But another worse thing is unnecessary FULL quoting - a
widespread terrible posting behavior.

My quoting was not "unnecessary" I included the entire text for a reason.

Another worse thing are the many misconfigured OEs which produces
terrible linefeeds...

That certainly is a bad thing. That's why I never use OE for news
groups. Besides, I don't think I could get OE to work too well with Linux.

If you must know, since you appear not to be able to read the headers, I
am using _Debian_ Thunderbird with Xandros Linux Standard.

I suppose I could use Knode instead. Or, I could drop to commandline and
do it like the *nix _purists_.

But... if you wish, I could reboot into XP and set up OE for uselessnet.

Ed

 

[Peter Seiler]

Ed - 16.09.2005 09:11 :

My quoting was not "unnecessary" I included the entire text for a reason.

I mentioned not your quoting in this case but other top posters. I agree
with your argumentation and can not understand any reasons of the top
posters. Within long threads with top postings, reading more than often
is a pain.

That certainly is a bad thing. That's why I never use OE for news
groups. Besides, I don't think I could get OE to work too well with Linux.

If you must know, since you appear not to be able to read the headers, I
am using _Debian_ Thunderbird with Xandros Linux Standard.

oh, I see/saw your headers and know what newsclient you are using.

But... if you wish, I could reboot into XP and set up OE for uselessnet.

I have no wish to you. It's totally up to you. Your Debian posting style
is (contrarely to many OE (re)postings) absolutely ok, IMHO.

Have a nice weekend.

 

[Alain Beguin]

Does anyone have a good for windows xp newsreader recomendation?
Thanks!

Of course!

http://www.mesnews.net/index-gb.php

 

[Ed]

Ed - 16.09.2005 09:11 :


I mentioned not your quoting in this case but other top posters. I agree
with your argumentation and can not understand any reasons of the top
posters. Within long threads with top postings, reading more than often
is a pain.

Ah yes, my bad...

oh, I see/saw your headers and know what newsclient you are using.

Ok... many people don't even pay attention to headers... again... my bad.

I have no wish to you. It's totally up to you. Your Debian posting style
is (contrarely to many OE (re)postings) absolutely ok, IMHO.

That's good to know... if it wasn't, I'd switch clients in a flash. I
can't stand non-complient newsclients.

Have a nice weekend.

Thanks, you have a good one too.

 

[Habidasher]

That's interesting since _you_ didn't top-post. You quoted only the
parts of the original to which you had replies for and put your reply
below each part.

Do you have a guilty conscience or something?

Check the quoting above. Also check the threading of this conversation.
You will see that your comment about top-posting was made in direct
reply to my message.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

yar wrote in <[email protected]>, on
14/09/2005, H. Notburga

Of course!

http://www.mesnews.net/index-gb.php

Version is 1.04.00.00.

It would be nice if there was a "release date" and/or "history" info
on that page.

I hope something has been done about the horrible writing in the left
pane. "Mes News" in 1.0.5.0 looked like it had been written by a seven
year old child. Correction, a drunk seven year old child.

I hope the English translation is better too. Words such as
"Souvegarde" don't mean a lot to many of us.

Regards, John.

 

[Alain Beguin]

John Fitzsimons wrote in <[email protected]>,
on 17/09/2005, H. Lambert

Version is 1.04.00.00.

It would be nice if there was a "release date" and/or "history" info
on that page.

Hello John,

Thanks for your comments. I will forward them to the maker of MesNews
with the request to include the *history* on that page.

I hope something has been done about the horrible writing in the left
pane. "Mes News" in 1.0.5.0 looked like it had been written by a seven
year old child. Correction, a drunk seven year old child.

1.0.5.0 ...that is, for us, a long time ago and MesNews is getting
better every year

I hope the English translation is better too. Words such as
"Souvegarde" don't mean a lot to many of us.

That was, again..., a long time ago
"Sauvegarde" was probably not translated and it meant "save" or
"saving"

If you have critics, I mean constructive ones, please tell us and we
will try to correct or implement what you ask.


Best regards,

 

[Alain Beguin]

John Fitzsimons wrote in <[email protected]>,
on 17/09/2005, H. Lambert

It would be nice if there was a "release date" and/or "history" info
on that page.

If you had a look at the page "download" you would have found a "what's
new" ...

http://www.mesnews.net/miseajour-gb.php

The version that you mention was one of december 2003.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

John Fitzsimons wrote in <[email protected]>,
on 17/09/2005, H. Lambert

If you had a look at the page "download" you would have found a "what's
new" ...

The version that you mention was one of december 2003.

Thanks, but I said "on that page". IMO download pages should have
version numbers AND release dates on. Without needing to go to other
pages.


A "history" on a download page is handy too but less important. A
"What's new" or "History" link is fine. I would suggest however that ;

A "What's new" page have a "What's new" link.

A "History" page have a "History" link.

A "What's new" AND "History" page have a "What's new/History" link.

IMO the above link falls into the third category.


Lastly, a download page for any (windows) program should mention which
version(s) of windows it runs on.

Regards, John.
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[Alain Beguin]

John Fitzsimons wrote in <[email protected]>,
on 18/09/2005, H. Ariadne

The version that you mention was one of december 2003.

Thanks, but I said "on that page". IMO download pages should have
version numbers AND release dates on. Without needing to go to other
pages.

Forwarding all your comments to the "boss" ;-)

Regards too,

 

[s|b]

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:36:16 +1000, John Fitzsimons wrote:

Thanks, but I said "on that page". IMO download pages should have
version numbers AND release dates on. Without needing to go to other
pages.

So you don't like Forté's download page either?

<http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download.php>

(Have you contacted them about this?)

Anyway, lets stay on-topic, the OP wanted a newsreader for Windows
(XP). I'm amazed nobody gave him this little jewel:
<http://www.newsreaders.com/win/clients.html>

(Not all freeware though...)

 

[Mel]

I'm amazed nobody gave him this little jewel:

I'm amazed that you'd consider that page: as being helpful or even
on-topic.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

John Fitzsimons wrote in <[email protected]>,

Hi Alain,

That was, again..., a long time ago
"Sauvegarde" was probably not translated and it meant "save" or
"saving"

It doesn't seem to be there any more but other annoying words are.
What, for example, is ..

Display Option - View messages - Police fixe ?

or Police Proportionnelle ?

Also, Settings - Formulations ? If that means "Filters" then why not
say so ?

Also, why would I want to use terms such as "Nom" for the name of the
sender ? What's wrong with "Name" ? I certainly don't want to use
terms such as "Jour" either.

Also, "Load the conversation" etc. If that means "Load thread" then it
is probably a good way to put things. However, does any other
newsreader use those words ? If not then using the terminology
"thread" may make it easier for people coming from other
newsreaders.

If you have critics, I mean constructive ones, please tell us and we
will try to correct or implement what you ask.

IMO any criticism of just about any program can be taken as
constructive criticism, or the opposite. Depending on who is reading
the criticism.

The point of my being critical of MesNews however is so that it will
possibly become better.

Lastly, if one subscribes to one newsgroup from two servers does one
end up with the same newsgroup twice ? It appears that way. Is there a
way to have "virtual" newsgroups in MesNews ? So that one newsgroup
is listed but multiple news servers feed it.

Regards, John.
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[Alain Beguin]

John Fitzsimons wrote in <[email protected]>,
on 20/09/2005, H. Eustachius

It doesn't seem to be there any more but other annoying words are.
What, for example, is ..

Display Option - View messages - Police fixe ?

or Police Proportionnelle ?

Also, Settings - Formulations ? If that means "Filters" then why not
say so ?

etc etc

Formulations, John, that is what you can see in de first line of my
message. It is the first sentence of a reply, on top.

see :
http://www.mesnews.net/aide-gb/aide.php?quoi=menu-configuration.htm

Your other comments, and you where right are forwarded to the
english translator with the request to correct this.

Sorry for my english, but I am only the Dutch translator.

Thanks again.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

John Fitzsimons wrote in <[email protected]>,
on 20/09/2005, H. Eustachius

In Australia we have an emergency phone number if we want Police to
fix things.

Proportional Police ? Does that mean a female Police officer with a
nice figure ?

Formulations, John, that is what you can see in de first line of my
message. It is the first sentence of a reply, on top.

see :
http://www.mesnews.net/aide-gb/aide.php?quoi=menu-configuration.htm

Ah ! The "Introduction string". That enables people to change it so
that it uses selected "header information".

This is what Agent offers ;

Date
Reply-To
From
Sender
Full-Name
Subject
Message-Id
Newsgroups
Followup-To
Expires
References For follow-up messages,
Organization
Keywords
Summary
Lines

Compared to MesNews

[NOM]
[DATE]
[HEURE]
[DATEHEURE]
[JOUR]
[SUJET]
[ID]
[IDNEWS]
[MAIL]
[NUMID]
[IP]
[FORUM]
[FORUMS]

Your other comments, and you where right are forwarded to the
english translator with the request to correct this.
Good.

Sorry for my english, but I am only the Dutch translator.

Much better than my Dutch.

Thanks again.

Regards, John.
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[Onedayflyer]

John Fitzsimons schreef op 21-9-2005:

Regards, John.

Hi John,

Could you sent me a mail about the translations of Mesnews? Than we
can discuss on the mail. (address is in the header) ;-)

Thanks,

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[John Fitzsimons]

John Fitzsimons schreef op 21-9-2005:

Hi John,

Could you sent me a mail about the translations of Mesnews?

I could.

Than we
can discuss on the mail. (address is in the header) ;-)

So is mine.

Thanks,

Regards, John.

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[Onedayflyer]

John Fitzsimons schreef op 23-9-2005:

I could.


So is mine.

Hi, on wat kind of address I can reply to you?

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[Alain Beguin]

Hi, on wat kind of address I can reply to you?

Hi,

I suppose that you should remove the "delete" in his adress? ;-)