Newbie Questions about Geting started.

[Liberty]

I purchased Visual Studeo .NET 2003 Professional Special edition last week.
For a project I'm doing with Sofwire. The project is going quite well, but I
am confused about somethings.

Will my programs be able to run on Windows 98?

How do I get Windows Frameworks .NET 1.1 with patches onto my clients
Machine?

What is this about having to pay for MSDN ? I thought I bought the full help
when I bought the program?

The Documentation that came with the Studio really sucks. or is non existant,
the help files are ok but a hard copy of some documention would be a real
help before one installs. For example. I don't have a clue what Crystal
Reports is used for, It would have been nice to have an explanation before it
was time to install.

Has anyone ever used SoftWIRE http://softwire.com ? This is a great way to
produce quick and fast apps, espesially if one is into measuring, monitoring
or controlling real world processes. It's allowed me to produce an
application while I am still stumbling around trying to learn this beast.

 

[Terry Burns]

Will my programs be able to run on Windows 98?

How do I get Windows Frameworks .NET 1.1 with patches onto my clients
Machine?

#Any updates can be obtained from the Microsoft site

What is this about having to pay for MSDN ? I thought I bought the full
help
when I bought the program?

#?- Dont know what your particular deal was, but MSDN gives you a
subscription with lots of benefits, have a look on the ms site.

The Documentation that came with the Studio really sucks. or is non
existant,
the help files are ok but a hard copy of some documention would be a real
help before one installs. For example. I don't have a clue what Crystal
Reports is used for, It would have been nice to have an explanation before
it
was time to install.

#What you see is what you get, if you want more, you will need to buy books
seperately
or use the internet resources like you are doing now.

Has anyone ever used SoftWIRE http://softwire.com ? This is a great way to
produce quick and fast apps, espesially if one is into measuring,
monitoring
or controlling real world processes. It's allowed me to produce an
application while I am still stumbling around trying to learn this beast.
--

#I have not.

BTW, as an aside, I know this is not a philosophy group, but I could not
help noticing your Liberty addage at the bottom. In my humble opinion,
Liberty can only be a state of mind, in reality none of us has true liberty
as we are constrained by the rules of our genetics, our social groups and
the physical universe. In addition, it cannot be any other way because of
the deterministic nature of the physical universe everything is
predetermined and chaos can be reduced to prediction if one knew all the
states leading up to any single event.

 

[Liberty]

#Any updates can be obtained from the Microsoft site

My concern is getting my applications to run on another machine. A Win 98
machine in particular. Will my client have to get ind install programs on
line from MS, or will I be able to creat a deployment that checks for and
installs all required files.

#?- Dont know what your particular deal was, but MSDN gives you a
subscription with lots of benefits, have a look on the ms site.


#What you see is what you get, if you want more, you will need to buy books
seperately
or use the internet resources like you are doing now.

I don't mind buying a few books, I am working on Visual Basic .NET by example
right now, but it seems as though Microsoft could have distributed a book
that briefly explained the features, what one might want to install, and what
one might not need to install.

For example a synopsys of visual studio .NET for Office, with some
programming axamples to show the type of things it can do.

Crystal Reports, with brief examples, and explanation of why one might want
to install it.

Example programs, even if only a simple "Hello World" of the supported
languages.

Microsoft seems to expect their users to know already what all the features
are all about before they do an install.

#I have not.

You might want to check it out, it is free, and allows one to create apps
real quick and easy, It helped me create a product while I am scrambling on
the knowledge curve, but it seems like its a great tool for those more
skilled to temporarily provide a solution until one can build a more
perminant solution.

BTW, as an aside, I know this is not a philosophy group, but I could not
help noticing your Liberty addage at the bottom. In my humble opinion,
Liberty can only be a state of mind, in reality none of us has true liberty
as we are constrained by the rules of our genetics, our social groups and
the physical universe. In addition, it cannot be any other way because of
the deterministic nature of the physical universe everything is
predetermined and chaos can be reduced to prediction if one knew all the
states leading up to any single event.

I believe that Freedom is only found by those who seek it. If one feels free
than they have found freedom. 'nuff said

 

[Terry Burns]

You can create your own installation projects in VS2003 Professional. To be
honest, I have not done much deployment on Win98 as it is so old not, most
of my clients are on XP or Windows 2000, having said that you should be able
to run the majority of code without a problem.

Microsoft never does it all, this is a conscious decision to allow the third
party market to thrive and build the product in my opinion.

There are no end of tutorials on the subject on the web. To be honest, .NET
is so huge, that it is impossible to get a handle on the big picture as a
newbie in any short time. Things have been done so differently from previous
versions of classic vb etc that it takes a good while to just get
comfortable, never mind become competent. We run several courses on .NET, we
have a three days course which only covers the framework and that can only
really be considered a thorough introduction. God help us when 2005 gets
released because its going to be impossible to get a handle on it all. One
needs to specialise with a good general understanding in my opinion.

I believe that Freedom is only found by those who seek it. If one feels
free
than they have found freedom. 'nuff said

OK, well when they introduce £/driven mile on the roads in the UK in 10
years time using SAT control, then tell meone feels free !

 

[Hal Rosser]

The 98 machine would need the dot-net framework installed, from what I've
read.

 

[Terry Burns]

All deployment target machines need the .NET Framework.

 

[Liberty]

All deployment target machines need the .NET Framework.

How do I get the customer to install this? Can I set up a deployment project
to do this? Do I need to do anything special to to set up the deployment? to
do this?

 

[Terry Burns]

http://www.developer.com/net/net/article.php/3352511

 

[Tym]

My concern is getting my applications to run on another machine. A Win 98
machine in particular. Will my client have to get ind install programs on
line from MS, or will I be able to creat a deployment that checks for and
installs all required files.

The .Net framework is only supported on W98 upwards AFAIK. Therfore
you *should* be ok...