New Oem rules only applies to multi packs not single oem versions.

[GregRo]

"OEM system builder software packs are intended for PC and
server manufacturers or assemblers ONLY. They are not intended
for distribution to end users. Unless the end user is actually
assembling his/her own PC, in which case, that end user is considered
a system builder as well."



From reading the above provided by another mvp. This only applies to
packs. Packs is more than one. This rule only applies if you get
the multiple oem disk not a single oem disk.


I have rebuilt a Compaq system-so that make me a system builder.


Greg Ro

 

[webejammin]

Really, what a crock of cr*p... Being in the islands the electricity comes
and goes like the rising and setting sun. UPS fails for some unknown reason
and my motherboard gets fried and now my *legitimate* copy of Window XP
might be like my motherboard. Anyhow, will follow Carey's advice and see how
Gateway deals with it. Otherwise, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

As we say in the islands... Tank's Mon (Kurt)

MAK.

 

[Leythos]

If you installed the "generic" OEM Microsoft Windows XP version,
and your motherboard died, you can replace the motherboard,
and activate Windows XP via the phone method to obtain a new
activation code at no charge.

If you have a "branded" manufacturer's motherboard running
a "branded" (i.e. Dell, HP, Compaq, etc) version of Windows XP,
then, unfortunately, your "branded" OEM license is no longer
valid and you'll have to acquire a new Windows XP license.

The second is NOT true - you may, at the vendors discretion, be issued a
new activation or new media for installation. The branded system can be
a different motherboard that is also branded or the same motherboard
that is also branded. It's completely up to the Vendor.

 

[Leythos]

Totally irrelevant. Would you expect Dell to support a customer who removes
a Dell motherboard and installs some other motherboard, then calls Dell for
support assistance related to a motherboard issue? That is exactly why OEM
licenses are a one-shot deal!

Look Carey - you don't listen.

The replacement of a Defective motherboard in a Dell computer may be
replaced with the same Dell board or, at the vendors discretion, they
may install a new/different motherboard from their choice of
motherboards.

If the end users does this without the vendors permission, then the end
user has violated their system warranty - which no one would expect the
vendor to continue to support - which would then have nothing to do with
Windows OS of any sort.

 

[Sunny]

If you have a Gateway PC that came preinstalled with a Gateway Windows XP
operating system, and your motherboard died, your Gateway Windows XP
license
will only remain valid if you installed a Gateway motherboard replacement.

If you were to install a different motherboard, then the license
effectively dies
with the Gateway motherboard and you'll have to purchase a new,
conventional
version of Windows XP and proceed with a "repair install".

IMHO the whole concept of OEM has changed so much as to make the whole deal
irrelevant.
e.g. :
Q. Can a PC with OEM Windows XP have its motherboard upgraded and keep
the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?

A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components
on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license
for the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the
exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of
the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer" to
which Microsoft® OEM operating system software cannot be transferred
from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for
reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created and
the license of new operating system software is required.


### Who was the rocket scientist that decided the "motherboard" was the
"PC" ?

If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to
acquire a new operating system license for the PC.

### OK, looks like "every" motherboard replacement will be because of a
"defect"

 

[Guest]

Not true from major OEM's....Dell, HP, Compaq, etc.

 

[Stan Brown]

When you replace the motherboard with a totally different motherboard.

That just happened, seven months after I got my computer, because the
old one fried. So I now have a different computer? Doesn't make sense
to me.

 

[Leythos]

Not true from major OEM's....Dell, HP, Compaq, etc.

I've had Dell replace motherboard with newer units because of Defect
without any issues.

 

[Stan Brown]

While you can download and install Fedora and Open Office, if you want
support, other than vial forums and Usenet, you need to purchase Support
from the vendors - and it puts the cost close to Microsoft support
options too.

I'm not sure what a "vial forum" might be, but there are also
local user groups. Even little Dryden, New York, has one. I would not
(yet) tell a business to rely on local support for mission-critical
operations, but many may find it expedient to employ an in-house
expert.

After all, Microsoft support, for all practical purposes, is also via
forums and Usenet, as witness the HUGE number of queries posted here
daily.

You also talk about the cost of Fedora. OTOH, there is a cost to
Microsoft's never-ending stream of "free" updates. The IT department
of even a medium-sized business, like my college, has to dedicate
full-time people just to dealing with those updates, problems
downloading them, and problems that occur after they've been loaded.

For myself, I see which way the wind is blowing. Microsoft clearly
has an agenda to squeeze legitimate users harder and harder in the
name of combating piracy. (Must ... resist ... analogy ... to ...
Patriot ... Act.) Since Day 1, software I buy has been mine to move
to a new computer when I trash the old one; now Microsoft has
declared war on that long-standing practice. I am accelerating my
cutover to open-source alternatives.

 

[Leythos]

You also talk about the cost of Fedora. OTOH, there is a cost to
Microsoft's never-ending stream of "free" updates. The IT department
of even a medium-sized business, like my college, has to dedicate
full-time people just to dealing with those updates, problems
downloading them, and problems that occur after they've been loaded.

We probably support as many as a campus and don't have "full time"
people doing updates. In most cases we have a majority of machines set
to auto-update and make firewall excepts as MS rolls out new update
download sites (I wish they would stick with one group of servers for
that).

We've had few problems with updates to 2000/XP workstations, servers are
another thing.

For myself, I see which way the wind is blowing. Microsoft clearly
has an agenda to squeeze legitimate users harder and harder in the
name of combating piracy. (Must ... resist ... analogy ... to ...
Patriot ... Act.) Since Day 1, software I buy has been mine to move
to a new computer when I trash the old one; now Microsoft has
declared war on that long-standing practice. I am accelerating my
cutover to open-source alternatives.

But, if you don't buy OEM you can uninstall and reinstall as often as
you want - only the OEM versions are limited. In the old days you didn't
buy OEM, you bought retail from vendors, even with a system, so we're
not talking the same thing here.

If I purchase Retail MS Office 2003 Prof, I can install a copy on my
Workstation and another on my Laptop and be properly licensed with the
one license. In OEM I'm not entitled to make the second install and that
license is tied to the first machine it's installed on. If I have Retail
I can uninstall and move as often as I want.

 

[Donald L McDaniel]

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 08:49:09 -0700 in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, Donald L McDaniel favored us
with...

Which clause would that be, please? If you're thinking of "ex post
facto law", then it doesn't mean what you think. I almost said it
means the opposite of what you think, but that's not quite true;
however, it's much closer to the opposite than to what you said.

I know the Constitution fairly well, and I don't know of any clause
that could have the interpretation you gave. Which clause are you
thinking of?

Maybe I was mistaken about this. However, this STILL leaves Microsoft
as an agreement-breaker. The fact is, I made an agreement with
Microsoft when I purchased my Generic OEM copies of XP. They have NO
RIGHT (or at least, no NATURAL human right) to go and CHANGE the
agreement AFTER is has gone into effect (which it did the FIRST time I
pressed "F8" after beginning the installation from that disc.)

This agreement entitled me, as long as I kept the conditions of the
EULA, to the ability to ACTIVATE my OS EITHER via the Internet, OR via
toll-free telephone number. Microsoft's change of this clause AFTER
the original clause has gone into effect has BROKEN their original
agreement with me.

ANY clause in the EULA which purports to give Microsoft the right to
CHANGE their previous agreement with me after the agreement goes into
effect is NULL AND VOID, since such agreements are UNENFORCEABLE in a
court in the United States. However, Microsoft is STILL BOUND by the
ORIGINAL agreement we entered into when I pressed "F8" for the first
time

Microsoft supposedly made an agreement with me. This argreement is
for EVER, as long as I keep the conditions of the agreement.

Come on, Microsoft, get RIGHT with God, the law, and me. Honor your
ORIGINAL agreement with me, as I have honored it with you.

Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original thread.
If you must reply via email, remove the obvious
from my email address before sending.
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[Donald L McDaniel]

If it's in their business interest to do so, they will. Again far too much
talking with Socrates, Mr. Plato.

- Winux P

Yeh, well, apparently Microsoft doesn't think it IS in their business
interest to produce a product which every man or woman on the street
can afford.

Just remember, dude: MICROSOFT decides what's in their business
interest and what isn't, not YOU or the general public.

They have that right as citizens of the United States, which does not
decide who can make decisions for himself, as many Socialist
countries, including the EU, try to do. Are you a Socialist,. or a US
citizen?. If you are NOT a US Citizen, you have NO VOICE in the
making of US law or custom, and have NO voice in the way we do
business. If a Socialist US citizen, you better get BUSY, since
Socialists have VERY LITTLE say here. Not enough numbers to affect
the outcome of our elections.

Donald L McDaniel
Please reply to the original thread.
If you must reply via email, remove the obvious
from my email address before sending.
=======================================================

 

[Rusty]

If only it were so. And, do not forget the element of greed, which has
played a huge part in their methodology.


| Come on, Microsoft, get RIGHT with God, the law, and me. Honor your
| ORIGINAL agreement with me, as I have honored it with you.
|
| Donald L McDaniel