New Epson Ink Jet Printers and Their "Protection Counter"

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Santos L. Halper

I have some important information for current and prospective
customers of Epson, especially owners of the Epson Stylus C64 and the
Epson Stylus C84 printers with Durabrite (Durabright) ink and T0441,
T0442, T0443, and T0444 ink cartridges.

As many of you know, the Epson ink jet printer protection counter, or
waste ink counter, keeps track of how much ink goes into the sponge at
the bottom of the printer during cleaning cycles. When the printer
thinks it's full, and it usually isn't, the printer shuts itself off
and can only be reactivated by an authorized Epson service center,
which will probably cost more than the printer is worth, so you'll
have to buy a new printer. Obviously, if you're refilling your
cartridges with reasonably priced, 3rd party ink, and you have to run
lots of cleaning cycles to get the air out of the cartridges, you'll
run out the protection counter in a few months or less. I'm confident
this is NOT an accident. Epson wants to force you to buy their ink.

After my protection counter ran out, in mid-April, 2004, I called the
Epson pre-sales line (1-800-463-7766, 6am to 6pm EST Mon-Fri) and
pretended to be a prospective customer who wasn't willing to buy a
printer without knowing how to reset the protection counter. At first
he pretended not to know what that was. He actually said it was "not a
feature highlighted by Epson" as if he knew nothing more than what's
on the promotional brochure. Then, a few moments later, he argued that
the protection counter shouldn't run out for 5 to 7 years.

As I pressed him, the guy got obviously uncomfortable and defensive
and said categorically that nobody at Epson would be able to give me
that information. He then volunteered the fact that Epson is not even
accepting new applications to become an authorized Epson service
center. Apparently the evil Epson corporation is going to keep this
secret from its customers as long as possible in order to sell as much
obscenely overpriced ink as they can. They should rename it the
"profit protection counter." It's like something out of a Dilbert
cartoon!

--->I strongly recommend that nobody buy an Epson printer unless they
know in advance how to reset the protection counter for that
particular model.<---

Also, people with newer Epson printers should avoid using the head
cleaning function of the printer until finding out how to reset the
protection counter. If the print head needs cleaning, I would put a
folded paper towel under the print head, push a flexible tube onto the
spike (which pierces the ink cartridge) and very gently inject ink or
cleaning solution. (Be sure not to inject any air.) You could even
disassemble the printer, disconnect the tube which sucks on the print
head, and connect it to a syringe in order to suck it out manually.
Doing these things obviously won't advance the protection counter.
 
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Safetymom123

I have owned Epson printers for many years and never had a problem. Never
had to reset anything either. You have a choice if you don't like the Epson
policy buy another brand of printer.
 
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Santos L. Halper

I have owned Epson printers for many years and never had a problem. Never
had to reset anything either. You have a choice if you don't like the Epson
policy buy another brand of printer.

Actually I didn't have a choice because Epson doesn't exactly
advertise the fact that their printers will shut off with no warning
at some arbitrary time and won't be worth fixing. That's the main
point of my posting. To WARN people. You're welcome.

What are you supposed to do if you have to print out a tax form on
April 15th or a paper due that day?

And if you want a piezoelectric printer, you don't have a choice
because Epson holds the patent to that technology. That's why every
other brand of printer uses the inferior thermal ink jet (a.k.a.
bubble jet) technology. Epson refuses to license the technology to
other printer manufacturers. This is so Epson can bleed as much money
as possible out of their customers with their obscenely overpriced
ink. $28 US for a shot-glass-worth of ink is RIDICULOUS.
 
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Tony

This is so Epson can bleed as much money
as possible out of their customers with their obscenely overpriced
ink. $28 US for a shot-glass-worth of ink is RIDICULOUS.

You're not supposed to drink the stuff. Bet you crap mighty and black after
a few shots of that: or in tricolour... Wowwee.
Tony
 
J

Jon O'Brien

Epson refuses to license the technology to other printer manufacturers.

Bollox! Roland uses the Epson printheads, as do several other large format
printer manufacturers.

Jon.
 
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Bill

Santos said:
Actually I didn't have a choice because Epson doesn't exactly
advertise the fact that their printers will shut off with no warning
at some arbitrary time and won't be worth fixing. That's the main
point of my posting. To WARN people. You're welcome.

Apparently Canon has the same setup, and I presume HP and Lexmark also
since they all perform cleaning cycles.

I think the manufacturers just assume most users won't print enough to
worry about it. I think it's a stupid idea though. There is no reason
the waste ink tank can't be made as a user replaced item. It's not like
the cleaning station is hard to reach or anything on my printer. And
even if it was, just have the cover open further to the side.

Perhaps that's a suggestion you can send to Epson?
What are you supposed to do if you have to print out a tax form on
April 15th or a paper due that day?

Call a friend?
And if you want a piezoelectric printer, you don't have a choice
because Epson holds the patent to that technology. That's why every
other brand of printer uses the inferior thermal ink jet (a.k.a.
bubble jet) technology.

I don't know if I'd say thermal inkjet technology is inferior.
ink. $28 US for a shot-glass-worth of ink is RIDICULOUS.

That's where they make their money, not on the printer sale.
 
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puss

Actually I didn't have a choice because Epson doesn't exactly
advertise the fact that their printers will shut off with no warning
at some arbitrary time and won't be worth fixing. That's the main
point of my posting. To WARN people. You're welcome.

What are you supposed to do if you have to print out a tax form on
April 15th or a paper due that day?

And if you want a piezoelectric printer, you don't have a choice
because Epson holds the patent to that technology. That's why every
other brand of printer uses the inferior thermal ink jet (a.k.a.
bubble jet) technology. Epson refuses to license the technology to
other printer manufacturers. This is so Epson can bleed as much money
as possible out of their customers with their obscenely overpriced
ink. $28 US for a shot-glass-worth of ink is RIDICULOUS.



You can reset the Printer its that Simple..
 
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puss

I have some important information for current and prospective
customers of Epson, especially owners of the Epson Stylus C64 and the
Epson Stylus C84 printers with Durabrite (Durabright) ink and T0441,
T0442, T0443, and T0444 ink cartridges.

As many of you know, the Epson ink jet printer protection counter, or
waste ink counter, keeps track of how much ink goes into the sponge at
the bottom of the printer during cleaning cycles. When the printer
thinks it's full, and it usually isn't, the printer shuts itself off
and can only be reactivated by an authorized Epson service center,
which will probably cost more than the printer is worth, so you'll
have to buy a new printer. Obviously, if you're refilling your
cartridges with reasonably priced, 3rd party ink, and you have to run
lots of cleaning cycles to get the air out of the cartridges, you'll
run out the protection counter in a few months or less. I'm confident
this is NOT an accident. Epson wants to force you to buy their ink.



You have to remove the Pads and clean them or fit new ones, some of the Tools
to reset the Printer is even on the Epson sites and their is also a Russian I
thing one floating around..

It normally takes a few years for this to happened and a Code is flashed to
tell you this, may be you have a different problem..?

Are you getting the Pad full error Code..?
 
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Santos L. Halper

Epson refuses to license the technology to other printer manufacturers.
Bollox! Roland uses the Epson printheads, as do several other large format
printer manufacturers.

Okay, so Epson refuses to license it's piezo technology for home and
office printers which represent 99.8% of the market. I guess they
figure professional sign and poster printers wouldn't stand for
obscenely overpriced ink.
 
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David Chien

I have some important information for current and prospective
customers of Epson, especially owners of the Epson Stylus C64 and the
Epson Stylus C84 printers with Durabrite (Durabright) ink and T0441,
As many of you know, the Epson ink jet printer protection counter, or
waste ink counter, keeps track of how much ink goes into the sponge at
thinks it's full, and it usually isn't, the printer shuts itself off
and can only be reactivated by an authorized Epson service center,

Happy Russians have already taken care of this problem years ago on
various Epson printers (starting from 2001!). Please try this program
and report back. PS. Do search the web for your solutions first -
often, it's already been solved:

SSC Service Utility for Epson Stylus Printers
http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml

Main features.

SSC Service Utility allow You to do many amazing things with Your Epson
printer :

1) Work directly with CSIC in Epson Stylus printers cartridges.
2) Freeze internal ink counters.
3) Reset internal ink counters even with empty cartridges.
4) Separate cleaning of color and black heads for all Epson inkjet
printers, powerful cleaning mode.
5) Hot swapping of cartridges supported.
full).

7) More then 60 different Epson printers supported

Latest versions changes:

3.50:
 
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Santos L. Halper

Happy Russians have already taken care of this problem years ago on
various Epson printers (starting from 2001!). Please try this program
and report back. PS. Do search the web for your solutions first -
often, it's already been solved:

SSC Service Utility for Epson Stylus Printers
http://www.ssclg.com/epsone.shtml

Unfortunately, the newest version (v3.50) of the SSC utility only
incompletely supports the Epson C64. It can't reset the protection
counter. It does allow cleaning one color at a time and freezing ink
levels, though.

I'm checking their site nearly every day for a new version release.
 
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Jon O'Brien

Okay, so Epson refuses to license it's piezo technology for home and
office printers...

Does it? Where did you pick up that piece of information?
I guess they figure professional sign and poster printers wouldn't stand
for obscenely overpriced ink.

Can you elucidate, please? I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Jon.
 
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Tom Monego

Are you using a pigmented ink comparible to the Durabright inks or are you
using a dye ink. If you have a dye ink (as many of the clone C8x cartridges
are) you could be sucking down a lot more ink on starts and if the printer has
been down for a while. It is speculation, but it could be the problem. Try
www.atlex.com, they generally have excellent prices on Epson ink. I bought a
set there for my C82, $62 with shipping. at my local office supply it was $77.
Run pigment based ink in this printer.

Tom
 
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Santos L. Halper

Are you using a pigmented ink comparible to the Durabright inks or are you
using a dye ink. If you have a dye ink (as many of the clone C8x cartridges
are) you could be sucking down a lot more ink on starts and if the printer has
been down for a while. It is speculation, but it could be the problem. Try
www.atlex.com, they generally have excellent prices on Epson ink. I bought a
set there for my C82, $62 with shipping. at my local office supply it was $77.
Run pigment based ink in this printer.

These sites sell pigmented ink compatible with the Epson T0441/2/3/4
cartridges for $1 to $2 US per refill:
http://www.atlanticinkjet.com
http://www.ink-refills-ink.com (Their color ink might not be
pigmented.)

My problem was the anti-refilling design of these Epson cartridges.
Their siphoning design prevents simple refilling. I believe they can
be refilled up-side-down, but I can't test this method until I get the
protection counter reset.
 

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