New 300GB Boot drive looses partition info

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Todd Mancini

I have a Dell Precision WorkStation 420, loaded with latest BIOS,
which has worked like a champ for many years.

I've found the need to reinstall XP Pro for the first time. My course
of action has been to install a new hard drive and do a clean install
on the new hard drive, leaving the old drives in place.

I have two hard drives running off of the motherboard IDE (one of them
being the original boot drive).

I also have a 3rd hard drive running off of a Promise ATA-100 card.

For the upgrade, I removed the ATA-100 card and replaced it with a
Belkin ATA-133 card. I moved the existing ATA/100 drive onto the
ATA/133 as a master on IDE2.

I purchased a 300GB Maxtor drive, and placed it as master on IDE1 of
the ATA/133.

And that's where the fun began.

First off, whenever I talk about installing XP, I really mean that I'm
installing a slipstream build of XP with Service Pack 2. So large
drive support should be built-in to the OS without a need for patches.

For the life of me, I cannot get a 'stable' configuration. If I
create a single 300GB partition and install XP on to it, although XP
will boot and let me 'do stuff', it doesn't seem to take a lot of disk
writes to destroy the partition table. Of course, I don't realize
this until I reboot and XP can no longer boot. (In other words -- I'm
able to reboot several times, and then suddenly I cannot.)

So, I figured a 300GB boot partition was just too much for XP to
hanldle, and repartitioned the drive into a 137GB boot partition and
the remainder as an extra partition.

This appeared to be much more stable. I even went as far as to fill
both paritions to nearly full capacity, just to see what would happen.
I even had diskeeper 8.0 running on them. XP had no problem
rebooting for the past 4 days.

Until today, of course. XP would start to boot, but then it would
reset the machine and start all over again. In safe mode, I could see
all of the drivers loading, but about the time you'd expect it to show
the welcome screen, the machine resets itself.


So, I go back to my original XP installation on the old drives, and I
notice that my Maxtor doesn't even have a partition table anymore.

Does anyone have ANY ideas? I've been working at this for about a
week; I think I've installed XP about 7 times. (When it would allow
me to install it -- many times, the new Maxtor disk couldn't even be
seen, I'd have to play with various BIOS settings and try to get the
Maxtor-supplied MaxBlast software to 'prep' the hard drive for XP.)
(The gist of the BIOS changes were to rank the Maxtor either higher or
lower than the BIOS drives, depending upon what I wanted to do.
Sometimes I had to physically detatch the drives to get the BIOS to
'clean' itself so it would correctly recognize the Maxtor drive after
a failed installation.)

The hard drive passed all of it's diagnostics (took about 90 minutes).
I didn't run a full burn test, however.

Should I look at returning the drive? The controller? Both? I just
don't know what to do.

Thanks so much,
-Todd

PS: I've contaced both Maxtor and Belkin, but neither have been a lot
of help.
 
Contact Dell Support and ask them if your Dell motherboard and BIOS
is capable of supporting a 300GB hard drive. If it doesn't, you'll need
a smaller drive or a new motherboard.

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:

| I have a Dell Precision WorkStation 420, loaded with latest BIOS,
| which has worked like a champ for many years.
|
| I've found the need to reinstall XP Pro for the first time. My course
| of action has been to install a new hard drive and do a clean install
| on the new hard drive, leaving the old drives in place.
|
| I have two hard drives running off of the motherboard IDE (one of them
| being the original boot drive).
|
| I also have a 3rd hard drive running off of a Promise ATA-100 card.
|
| For the upgrade, I removed the ATA-100 card and replaced it with a
| Belkin ATA-133 card. I moved the existing ATA/100 drive onto the
| ATA/133 as a master on IDE2.
|
| I purchased a 300GB Maxtor drive, and placed it as master on IDE1 of
| the ATA/133.
|
| And that's where the fun began.
|
| First off, whenever I talk about installing XP, I really mean that I'm
| installing a slipstream build of XP with Service Pack 2. So large
| drive support should be built-in to the OS without a need for patches.
|
| For the life of me, I cannot get a 'stable' configuration. If I
| create a single 300GB partition and install XP on to it, although XP
| will boot and let me 'do stuff', it doesn't seem to take a lot of disk
| writes to destroy the partition table. Of course, I don't realize
| this until I reboot and XP can no longer boot. (In other words -- I'm
| able to reboot several times, and then suddenly I cannot.)
|
| So, I figured a 300GB boot partition was just too much for XP to
| hanldle, and repartitioned the drive into a 137GB boot partition and
| the remainder as an extra partition.
|
| This appeared to be much more stable. I even went as far as to fill
| both paritions to nearly full capacity, just to see what would happen.
| I even had diskeeper 8.0 running on them. XP had no problem
| rebooting for the past 4 days.
|
| Until today, of course. XP would start to boot, but then it would
| reset the machine and start all over again. In safe mode, I could see
| all of the drivers loading, but about the time you'd expect it to show
| the welcome screen, the machine resets itself.
|
|
| So, I go back to my original XP installation on the old drives, and I
| notice that my Maxtor doesn't even have a partition table anymore.
|
| Does anyone have ANY ideas? I've been working at this for about a
| week; I think I've installed XP about 7 times. (When it would allow
| me to install it -- many times, the new Maxtor disk couldn't even be
| seen, I'd have to play with various BIOS settings and try to get the
| Maxtor-supplied MaxBlast software to 'prep' the hard drive for XP.)
| (The gist of the BIOS changes were to rank the Maxtor either higher or
| lower than the BIOS drives, depending upon what I wanted to do.
| Sometimes I had to physically detatch the drives to get the BIOS to
| 'clean' itself so it would correctly recognize the Maxtor drive after
| a failed installation.)
|
| The hard drive passed all of it's diagnostics (took about 90 minutes).
| I didn't run a full burn test, however.
|
| Should I look at returning the drive? The controller? Both? I just
| don't know what to do.
|
| Thanks so much,
| -Todd
|
| PS: I've contaced both Maxtor and Belkin, but neither have been a lot
| of help.
 
Surely with the new drive running from a new ATA card it will be the card
that determines the max drive size. (that should be the hardware to check)

Neil
 
Nope, the motherboard itself is the determining hardware factor.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

:

| Surely with the new drive running from a new ATA card it will be the card
| that determines the max drive size. (that should be the hardware to check)
|
| Neil
 
Carey Frisch said:
Nope, the motherboard itself is the determining hardware factor.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User

Be Smart! Protect Your PC!
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/protect/default.aspx

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

:

| Surely with the new drive running from a new ATA card it will be the card
| that determines the max drive size. (that should be the hardware to check)
|
| Neil

I'll contact Dell, but I'm with Neil on this one -- what does the
motherboard have to do with it? The ATA/133 card has its own BIOS
talking to the new hard drive. My Dell's BIOS/IDE cannot handle a
180GB hard drive, yet I was able to run one for the past 3 years off
of a Promise ATA/100 card.

And would this limitation be in relation to the size of the drive, or
the size of the partitions? In other words, is it because the drive
is 300GB, so even if I partition the disk into smaller volumes, you
think I'll still have problems?

Thanks,
-Todd
 
I contacted Dell, and they didn't have much to say. Their only
response was that my particular system has never been tested with
anything greater than a 20GB hard drive (!!!) Odd, since it shipped
with a 40GB hard drive...

In any event, at the moment I've removed the Belkin ATA/133 controller
and have returned to my trusty Promise ATA/100 controller. Things
seem better, and, given the speed of the hard drive, I wonder if the
ATA/100 will give me about the same performance as the ATA/133,
anyway.

I'll follow-up here in a few days once I've got a better sense for the
stability of this set-up.
 
Promise ATA/100 continues to work like a champ, so I assume the Belkin
ATA/133 was the source of the problem (at least, when used within MY
computer; YMMV).

I was also able to use the entire drive as a single, contiguous boot
drive (279GB in XP SP2/NTFS).
 

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