Netiquette in this newsgroup

[scorpion53061]

What thread are you referring to?

 

[Armin Zingler]

What thread are you referring to?

The one from tomorrow. )

 

[Chris Dunaway]

One of the netiquettes is not to answer newsgroup questions, which are
placed in future.

I use 40tude Dialog as my news reader. When a future post is made, I just
hit delete and it is gone.

 

[Cor Ligthert]

Hi Chris,

I answer this because with this I can tell what in my opinion happens, for
you it is for me it is as you say, however for new ones who look to
newsgroup the first time see now every time the same messages in top. It
seems that there is no activity.

When you did look some months ago, there have been a long while been a
message in top of this newsgroup.

In that time there came every day less new visitors to this newsgroup.

Now it is in my opinion growing again.

However, this is just my idea.

Cor

 

[scorpion53061]

What is the title of the offending post?

One of the netiquettes is not to answer newsgroup questions, which are
placed in future.

I use 40tude Dialog as my news reader. When a future post is made, I just
hit delete and it is gone.

--
Chris

To send me an E-mail, remove the "[", "]", underscores ,lunchmeat, and
replace certain words in my E-Mail address.

 

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

One of the netiquettes is not to answer newsgroup questions, which are
placed in future.

Where in the netiquette did you read that?

BTW: Most newsreaders have the ablilty to delete these messages, so it should
not be a big problem if the replies are dated correctly.

The netiquette says not to answer those questions.

The netiquette or you say that?

 

[Cor Ligthert]

Hi Herfried,

Your message is in my eyes quite offending.

I hope that I have never told people here what to do, I always only ask
that.

I have not the authority to do that so how could I do that, beside that I do
not want to do that.

I have in past seen to many bad examples in this newsgroup.

When I write something as this I have read that.
You know what Google is, do a search on Nettiquette and newsgroups.

(It is not only on one page)

Cor

 

[scorpion53061]

bad examples of what Cor?

 

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

I hope that I have never told people here what to do, I always only ask
that.

I have not the authority to do that so how could I do that, beside that I do
not want to do that.

I only wanted to make you aware that some people may misunderstand your
message and think that this is part of Microsoft's netiquette (or "Rules
of Conduct") for this group.

I have in past seen to many bad examples in this newsgroup.

When I write something as this I have read that.
You know what Google is, do a search on Nettiquette and newsgroups.

I know what netiquette is, I wrote my "bachelor thesis" (is that the
right word) about this topic .

 

[Liz]

for you it is for me it is as you say

- Cor Lithgert, 2004


I think I know I mean a ’yes’ but it’s all wrong, that is I think I disagree

- John Lennon, 1965

 

[Cor Ligthert]

LOL,

You wrote my name wrong and I my sentence even more.

I hope you did understand what I wanted to say?

I should not correct things afterwards.

A real great man that John Lennon.

Cor

 

[William Ryan eMVP]

Hi Cor:

I'm probably guilty of this but I didnt' know it's bad netiquette. Just so
I'm clear, I know it's Very annoying to post in the future b/c it stays at
the top of the reader. However is it bad form to answer it too? I've often
answered the question and kindly suggested they change their clocks. I know
that answering spams and the like can cause problems so I'm guessing this is
another example?

BTW, what is the deal with Top Posting? I find the ideal to be commenting
inline but I know some folks, particularly Linux dudes consider it the most
heinous offense next to being Bill Gates. They also told me using Outlook
Express is an offense but never said why . Although I've been posting for a
while, I'm still pretty naive in many regards.

Thanks again,

Bill

--

W.G. Ryan, eMVP

http://forums.devbuzz.com/
http://www.knowdotnet.com/williamryan.html
http://www.msmvps.com/WilliamRyan/

 

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

I'm probably guilty of this but I didnt' know it's bad netiquette.

I didn't know that too and IMO it isn't. Posting in the future
intentionally is against the netiquette, but I don't see any reason why
replying to these posts should be considered "bad".

 

[Marina]

I don't know why people would get offended at responses at thet op - I
actually think it is far more convenient to read the response, instead of
having to scroll all the way down looking for patches of responses - and
sometimes missing them.

And of course Linux thinks Outlook is evil. I'm sure Linux enthusiasts think
every product provided by MS is evil.

 

[Liz]

LOL,

You wrote my name wrong and I my sentence even more.

your name, yes ... so sorry ... your sentence (really, your sentence
clause), no, I got that right

I hope you did understand what I wanted to say?

I usually try to avoid discussions about netiquette; I try to be reasonably
polite and courteous but political correctness and other formalities hold
little interest for me

A real great man that John Lennon.

that I could not say, but he was a delightful musician/composer/singer and a
colorful personality

 

[Tom Shelton]

Hi Cor:

I'm probably guilty of this but I didnt' know it's bad netiquette. Just so
I'm clear, I know it's Very annoying to post in the future b/c it stays at
the top of the reader. However is it bad form to answer it too? I've often
answered the question and kindly suggested they change their clocks. I know
that answering spams and the like can cause problems so I'm guessing this is
another example?

I've never heard that it is bad netiqute to respond to future posts.
Though posting into the future is not such a good idea...

BTW, what is the deal with Top Posting? I find the ideal to be commenting
inline but I know some folks, particularly Linux dudes consider it the most
heinous offense next to being Bill Gates. They also told me using Outlook
Express is an offense but never said why . Although I've been posting for a
while, I'm still pretty naive in many regards.

Ideal is inline. Top posting tends to throw the conversation out of
continuity. I personally don't have a problem with it, but I don't
prefere it. Outlook is considered bad because not only does it
encourage top posting, but it screws up quoting, is a common vector for
viral infections, can't handle the word begin at the begining of a line
followed by two blank spaces, crashes if you place malformed html in
you're post (fixed in newer versions) - all in all, it just plain sucks.
My preference on Windows and Linux is slrn, but I've been using 40tude
Dialog for a few days at home lately, and it's not to shabby.

My personal pet peaves are posting in html and people who can't set
their line breaks to a proper size. I hate scrolling sidways through an
entire post... And html is just plain unreadable when you use a text
only news reader and vim as the editor

 

[Cor Ligthert]

Hi Bill and Marina,

I have nothing against TOP posting. I do it myself forever except with Armin
I try to do it in the other way. With Herfried I mix it up, and with all
others I do TOP posting, because I have always found that it is more
efficient reading the newest message back top down (the same as Marrina said
as I thought).

However this is about another netiquette where (You can find it on Internet
and I am not saying that Jim was doing that express) by changing your date
as what I did to show this, the messages shows up for a long time in top of
a newsgroup reader when you do not delete it, as I never do.

Because of the fact that I was searching how to change that date of the
message from Jim (what was done in past or by Jeremy or by Tom Shelton) I
found everytime again that it was against the general newsgroup netiquette
to answer those changed date newsgroup messages. I assume that that is
because that is stimulating the offender to go on with it.

However you did not act against that netiquette, mostly I find all
netiquette dull, however this one I find good, because I do not like to help
the ones who think they are very smart and spoil it for the others.

Cor

 

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

I have nothing against TOP posting. I do it myself forever except with Armin
I try to do it in the other way. With Herfried I mix it up, and with all
others I do TOP posting, because I have always found that it is more
efficient reading the newest message back top down (the same as Marrina said
as I thought).

However this is about another netiquette where (You can find it on Internet
and I am not saying that Jim was doing that express) by changing your date
as what I did to show this, the messages shows up for a long time in top of
a newsgroup reader when you do not delete it, as I never do.

Because of the fact that I was searching how to change that date of the
message from Jim (what was done in past or by Jeremy or by Tom Shelton) I
found everytime again that it was against the general newsgroup netiquette
to answer those changed date newsgroup messages. I assume that that is
because that is stimulating the offender to go on with it.

Mhm... I don't think that there are many people playing around with
their system date to put their message "on top" of all messages for
several days. Often, it's done accidentially, and telling the person
that his system date is wrong helps. There are very few posts dated in
future, so I don't think this is a problem at the moment.

However you did not act against that netiquette, mostly I find all
netiquette dull, however this one I find good, because I do not like to help
the ones who think they are very smart and spoil it for the others.

As long as there is abozt 1 message per month that is posted in future,
I don't worry about that, and I do not have a look at the date each
message I read was posted.

 

[Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]]

I've never heard that it is bad netiqute to respond to future posts.
Though posting into the future is not such a good idea...

Full ACK.

Ideal is inline. Top posting tends to throw the conversation out of
continuity.

Full ACK again. In German language groups, rules are more strict and
people not posting inline are usually made aware of that and put into
the killfile if not sticking to that rule. Nevertheless, that's not the
same for English language groups.

I personally don't have a problem with it, but I don't
prefere it. Outlook is considered bad because not only does it
encourage top posting, but it screws up quoting, is a common vector for
viral infections, can't handle the word begin at the begining of a line
followed by two blank spaces, crashes if you place malformed html in
you're post (fixed in newer versions) - all in all, it just plain
sucks.

That's not all true. I display posts in text only mode in OE and that's
relatively safe. Quoting can be fixed with various tools available for
free online. The 'begin' bug is theoretically a bug, but I never had a
problem related to it, and I read a huge amount of messages...

My preference on Windows and Linux is slrn, but I've been using 40tude
Dialog for a few days at home lately, and it's not to shabby.

I use gnus, but I am waiting for a new version of OE with the quoting
bug fixed, then I will switch back.

My personal pet peaves are posting in html and people who can't set
their line breaks to a proper size.

The latter is often caused by Web interfaces.

I hate scrolling sidways through an
entire post... And html is just plain unreadable when you use a text
only news reader and vim as the editor

Full ACK.

 

[Cor Ligthert]

Hi Herfried,

Is it really intresting to tell in this newsgroup what you are thinking?

Cor