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[Guest]

I own 2 legal copies of windows xp. ! one my main computer and 1 on a second.
I am going to do some upgrades to my main one ( New motherboard,cpu,dvd
burner,vidieo card and memory, as well as a new case. I am keeping my "c"
drive the same as it is.
On my second computer I am going to take the stuff I take out of my main
computer and install them in that one except mother board and cpu.
My question is, since I am making all the changes do I have to buy 2 more
copies of windows xp? I have heard from several people that Windows will only
take like 3 changes before it makes you re-register. I am keeping both
computers for my use as I have always done, but just making changes.
I feel that I shouldn't have to purchase 2 more copies of Windows Xp just
because I am upgrading.
Thanks for any help and or advice.
Brad

 

[Alias]

I own 2 legal copies of windows xp. ! one my main computer and 1 on a second.
I am going to do some upgrades to my main one ( New motherboard,cpu,dvd
burner,vidieo card and memory, as well as a new case. I am keeping my "c"
drive the same as it is.
On my second computer I am going to take the stuff I take out of my main
computer and install them in that one except mother board and cpu.
My question is, since I am making all the changes do I have to buy 2 more
copies of windows xp? I have heard from several people that Windows will only
take like 3 changes before it makes you re-register. I am keeping both
computers for my use as I have always done, but just making changes.
I feel that I shouldn't have to purchase 2 more copies of Windows Xp just
because I am upgrading.
Thanks for any help and or advice.
Brad

Go ahead and do it. It will work and it will be completely legal.

Alias

 

[Carey Frisch [MVP]]

You need to state whether you have "Retail Versions"
or "OEM Versions" of Windows XP. If you have the
OEM Version, you can change any hardware except for
the motherboard. If you change the motherboard, the
OEM Version becomes invalid and can no longer be
used. Retail Versions of Windows XP allow changing
the motherboard.

Please see the following:

Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with XP Installed
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

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| I own 2 legal copies of windows xp. ! one my main computer and 1 on a second.
| I am going to do some upgrades to my main one ( New motherboard,cpu,dvd
| burner,vidieo card and memory, as well as a new case. I am keeping my "c"
| drive the same as it is.
| On my second computer I am going to take the stuff I take out of my main
| computer and install them in that one except mother board and cpu.
| My question is, since I am making all the changes do I have to buy 2 more
| copies of windows xp? I have heard from several people that Windows will only
| take like 3 changes before it makes you re-register. I am keeping both
| computers for my use as I have always done, but just making changes.
| I feel that I shouldn't have to purchase 2 more copies of Windows Xp just
| because I am upgrading.
| Thanks for any help and or advice.
| Brad

 

[Bruce Chambers]

I own 2 legal copies of windows xp. ! one my main computer and 1 on a second.
I am going to do some upgrades to my main one ( New motherboard,cpu,dvd
burner,vidieo card and memory, as well as a new case. I am keeping my "c"
drive the same as it is.
On my second computer I am going to take the stuff I take out of my main
computer and install them in that one except mother board and cpu.
My question is, since I am making all the changes do I have to buy 2 more
copies of windows xp?

No, you shouldn't need to purchase any additional WinXP licenses,
unless one or both computers happen to have BIOS-locked OEM
installations that are bound to the specific motherboards. Otherwise,
there's no limit to the number of times you can reinstall and activate
the same WinXP license on the same PC.

I have heard from several people that Windows will only
take like 3 changes before it makes you re-register.

That's completely incorrect. Registration is, and always has been,
completely optional. Now, activations will probably be required. If
it's been more than 120 days since you last activated that specific
Product Key, you'll most likely be able to activate via the Internet
without problem. If it's been less, you might have to make a 5 minute
phone call.

Here are the facts pertaining to activation:

Piracy Basics - Microsoft Product Activation
http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/activation/

Windows Product Activation (WPA)
http://www.aumha.org/a/wpa.htm


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[Ken Blake, MVP]

I own 2 legal copies of windows xp. ! one my main computer and 1 on a
second. I am going to do some upgrades to my main one ( New
motherboard,cpu,dvd burner,vidieo card and memory, as well as a new
case. I am keeping my "c" drive the same as it is.
On my second computer I am going to take the stuff I take out of my
main computer and install them in that one except mother board and
cpu.
My question is, since I am making all the changes do I have to buy 2
more copies of windows xp? I have heard from several people that
Windows will only take like 3 changes before it makes you
re-register. I am keeping both computers for my use as I have always
done, but just making changes.
I feel that I shouldn't have to purchase 2 more copies of Windows Xp
just because I am upgrading.
Thanks for any help and or advice.

First , are you copies retail copies or OEM ones? If they are retail, there
is absolutely no problem. You make as many changes as you want as often as
you want. Worst case, in some situations you will have to reactivate (*not*
reregister--registration is always completely optional), but that's quick
and easy.

However, if your copies are OEM, it's not as clear-cut. Perhaps the biggest
disadvantage of an OEM copy is that its license ties it permanently to the
first computer it's installed on. It can never legally be moved to another
computer, sold, or given away by itself. That restriction is one of the main
reasons OEM copies cost significantly less than retail ones.

The question remains as to what constitutes the computer and what or how
much can you change before it's a new computer. The Windows XP EULA does
*not* specify the answer to this question, although some people here will
argue that changing the motherboard makes it a new computer. It certainly
makes logical sense that a new motherboard makes it a new computer, but
again, the EULA does *not* say that, it's never been tested in court, and
the answer is open to interpretation.

So if your copies are OEM, with regard to the second computer, since you're
keeping the motherboard and CPU, there should be problem resusing the
existing copy. With regard to the main computer, which will have a new
motherboard, there's a grey area, and nobody can answer for sure--at least
not until it gets tested in court.

 

[Alias]

You need to state whether you have "Retail Versions"
or "OEM Versions" of Windows XP. If you have the
OEM Version, you can change any hardware except for
the motherboard. If you change the motherboard, the
OEM Version becomes invalid and can no longer be
used. Retail Versions of Windows XP allow changing
the motherboard.

False, so do generic OEM versions.

Please see the following:

Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with XP Installed
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html

No part of generic OEM EULA says *anything* about a motherboard. Why do
you continue to lie, Carey?

Alias

 

[Guest]

Give Microsoft Licensing department a call for a
definitive answer to your question.
1-800-426-9400

Outside the US, the following page has links to local licensing sites
which include local customer service phone number
(http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/index/worldwide.mspx)

 

[Alias]

Give Microsoft Licensing department a call for a
definitive answer to your question.
1-800-426-9400

Outside the US, the following page has links to local licensing sites
which include local customer service phone number
(http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/index/worldwide.mspx)

No need. I agreed to an EULA that says nothing about the motherboard. In
fact, I will be changing one on one of my computers soon and I know I
won't have any problems.

The question still stands: why do you lie, Carey? Do you get some kind
of vicarious thrill out of convincing people to buy something they don't
need to buy or are you just stupid and believe your lies?

Alias

 

[Guest]

Direct quote from Microsoft licensing:

"An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal
computer" to which Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be
transferred."

End of discussion!

 

[Alias]

Direct quote from Microsoft licensing:

"An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal
computer" to which Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be
transferred."

End of discussion!

Nope, not the end of the discussion because my EULA says no such thing
and the password protected web site you provided out of context is
irrelevant.

Stop lying to people, trying to force them to buy something they don't
need to buy.

You could apologize too but I expect that's too much to ask. Oh, and you
could include the post to which you are replying and show you know to
use UseNet.

Alias

 

[Gordon]

Direct quote from Microsoft licensing:

"An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new
personal computer" to which Microsoft OEM operating system software
cannot be transferred."

End of discussion!

No it's NOT the end of the discussion Carey, I've just looked at the EULA of
my OEM copy of XP Pro and NOWHERE does it mention a motherboard. Not even by
IMPLICATION.
get out of that one, you MS creep.

 

[Alias]

No it's NOT the end of the discussion Carey, I've just looked at the EULA of
my OEM copy of XP Pro and NOWHERE does it mention a motherboard. Not even by
IMPLICATION.
get out of that one, you MS creep.

Carey must get some kind of vicarious thrill out of scaring newbies into
buying an XP they don't need to buy.

Alias

 

[Gordon]

Direct quote from Microsoft licensing:

"An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new
personal computer" to which Microsoft OEM operating system software
cannot be transferred."

End of discussion!

carey you do NOT appear in the current Windows/Shell user MVP directory.
Does that mean you've been sacked?
If so why are you still telling all the novices here you are an MVP?

FRAUD.

 

[Gordon]

Carey must get some kind of vicarious thrill out of scaring newbies
into buying an XP they don't need to buy.

Alias

I've just done a search of the MVP Windows/shell user worldwide directory.
Carey Frisch IS NOT IN IT. FRAUD.

 

[Opinicus]

Direct quote from Microsoft licensing:

"An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal
computer" to which Microsoft OEM operating system software cannot be
transferred."

You know as well as I do that that's binding on licensed Microsoft OEMs. If
the licensed OEMs don't always comply with it (and they don't), the end
users can hardly be held responsible now, can they?

And just how does it apply to the OEM versions that are readily available on
the market and are used by people (like myself) who build their own
machines?

Hmm?

"End of discussion" indeed.

 

[Guest]

Yes, I'm listed but only visible to Microsoft
and MVPs. That is my personal preferance.
I don't want TROLLS snooping around my
personal information.

 

[Guest]

From the OEM EULA:

"The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single
integrated product and may only be used with the COMPUTER. If
the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE, you may not use
the SOFTWARE."

Thus, a new motherboard constitutes a new computer,
and a new computer requires a new license since the
original license is no longer valid because the motherboard
was replaced. Simple logic you trolls cannot understand.

 

[Gordon]

From the OEM EULA:

"The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single
integrated product and may only be used with the COMPUTER. If
the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE, you may not use
the SOFTWARE."

Thus, a new motherboard constitutes a new computer,

In YOUR opinion - if the EULA meant a new motherboard constituted a new
computer then WHY DOESN'T IT SAY SO?

If I change the motor in my car it doesn't become a new car does it?

 

[Gordon]

Yes, I'm listed but only visible to Microsoft
and MVPs. That is my personal preferance.
I don't want TROLLS snooping around my
personal information.

I'm not surprised. You'd probably get lynched.

 

[Gordon]

In YOUR opinion - if the EULA meant a new motherboard constituted a
new computer then WHY DOESN'T IT SAY SO?

If I change the motor in my car it doesn't become a new car does it?

I'll tell you why the EULA doesn't say this - because Microsoft knows full
well that no court of law would uphold it, and that's why MS has NEVER
brought a case to court.